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  • We need better democracy

    by Sunny
    16th March, 2007 at 11:53 am    

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    1. douglas clark — on 16th March, 2007 at 5:56 pm  


      I liked it. but it is no better or worse than ‘Stop the Clash’. The problem is getting simple messages - love one another, get out and vote - across in a way that doesn’t just get scoffed at.

      Ppersonally, I thought they both had profundity, but others might not. What say you?

    2. sonia — on 18th March, 2007 at 12:49 pm  

      actually - we need democracy full stop. being told we can vote for x or y isn’t particularly democratic - the root problem seems to be that we think having a choice of who to vote for is the ultimate be and end all of democracy!

      no wonder we’re all in such a sad state.

    3. douglas clark — on 18th March, 2007 at 2:59 pm  


      For the first time ever, I disagree with you! Anyone can stand for parliament, or your local council, or whatever. It is up to folk to find sufficient support to raise a campaign. If you stood in my local election, the chances are I’d vote for you.

      Martin Bell, Tommy Sheridan and the chap against hospital closures, whose name I forget, show that there is still the possibility of standing on principle.

    4. sonia — on 19th March, 2007 at 10:52 am  

      of course anyone can stand for Parliament - i didn’t say that did I? :-) and thanks for the support! ;-)

      my point was more fundamental than that. participative democracy.
      standing for parliament is still about ‘representation’, and representative democracy. why should people assume all of us are happy to be ‘represented’? its clear it’s hard to find parties and politicians that people are happy with - doing the ‘representing’. once people start ‘representing’ a lot of problems crop up - i.e. they want to further their careers of ‘representing’..they want to climb the ‘representing’ ladder. it all becomes so artificial everyone forgets what they were all about.

    5. sonia — on 19th March, 2007 at 10:53 am  

      mind you - i’m not saying i have any answers, my point was that we seem to forget that it is a particular type of understanding of democracy. that’s all - and that people might have different opinions.

    6. Leon — on 19th March, 2007 at 12:00 pm  

      I sometimes think the same, we need an actual democracy, that is to say one that has more substance and meaningful participation by it’s most important compenents: the electors.

      With the current electoral system and corporate hold on the media this is one hell of a challenge to bring about…

    7. Systemoronic — on 21st March, 2007 at 12:49 pm  

      Until we can vote “this system is broken, we require a new new system now”, we do not live in a democracy.

      I don’t want to vote for people - I want to vote directly on issues, or at the very least, for accountable, temporary, recallable delegates.

      We have the technology to make this possible, but those in power would never think of giving us a direct democracy, since to do so would remove themselves from power.

      People in power don’t willingly give up that power - unfortunately, it must be taken back. I just wonder if we have the guts to stand up and do it in this country, and I’m not sure we do.

      Of course, I realise that a direct democracy would also be far from perfect. I might still be forced to accept decisions that I’m not happy with (that’s the danger of democracy - the majority people’s rule - it’s useless at protecting minorities from the majority), but I think it’s self evident it could at worst only be as crap as the system we have now, and at least we’d be able to modify and improve the system organically as we went along, so it could evolve into something better.

      I think there’s a lot to be said for getting rid of politicians altogether - not needed, not wanted.

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