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  • A reply to Salma Yaqoob

    by Sunny
    28th November, 2006 at 2:39 pm    

    Well well, I didn’t know the MCB and their entire clique were such avid readers of Pickled Politics that they were able to reference year old articles. But anyway, here is the reply I posted (slightly cleaned up) underneath Salma Yaqoob’s article today. Many of the points were also addressed in my CIF article yesterday.

    1) “They are by no means the largest obstacle to confronting racial prejudice in this country and to claim they are is to miss the point”.

    I’ve already answered these points below Gary Younge’s threads. You cannot build an effective anti-racism coalition when your members themselves are prejudiced. None of you want to address this point.

    2) “To portray a cabal of community leaders acting as an all-powerful thought police for the 1.5 million British Muslims is ludicrous scare mongering.

    YAB simply published an MCB statement trying to do exactly that, and yet you haven’t addressed it. Either way - you agree then that these people cannot “represent” the entire community. This is what we’re saying.

    3) “Sunny Hundal wrote last year, attacking me (among others) in relation to the violence between Asians and African-Caribbeans in Lozells

    No Salma - I was attacking those so-called community leaders who had come on television and declared everything was ok (primarily Sikh people). That article was actually in support of you saying it took that group of women to bring people together rather than the people who claimed to speak for them. Honestly, I thought that was obvious. On top of that I’ve defended your role in Bham on other blogs too as I thought you did the right thing.

    4) “In conflating HT with the BNP as if they both pose equal threats to race relations; in echoing in all but name the charge of “Islamofascist” against organisations like MCB;

    We didn’t conflate the two, we only pointed out that the left should not be linking arms with supremacist organisations. Why, would you like them to?

    And we didn’t use the word “Islamofascist”. Now you’re just making things up.

    The rest has already been answered earlier - you’re advocating that people build alliances with organisations that have no real interest or belief in freedom of speech/expression and community cohesion. This is why the alliances that have so far been built on these important issues are so thin on the ground.

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    1. miraxx — on 28th November, 2006 at 2:54 pm  

      You’re in their sights, they’ll be dredging up all the dirt on you. If only you could bury that kajol-worship site! But seriously, aren’t you rehashing the same ground with your rebuttals to Yaqub, Ghannoushi et al? Wny do you allow them to jerk you around with their wholly predictable criticisms- shouldn’t you be moving on with the NGN?

    2. Anas — on 28th November, 2006 at 2:55 pm  

      What, no photo of Salma?

    3. Sid — on 28th November, 2006 at 2:58 pm  

      I agree with miraxx. Cool the fuck down Sunny.

    4. Chairwoman — on 28th November, 2006 at 2:59 pm  

      Anas - Yesterday I read 20 points to help Muslim men to keep their eyes cast down. I don’t think you’re following any of them :-)

    5. Jagdeep — on 28th November, 2006 at 2:59 pm  

      Sunny, you should write replies to the Sikh Federation and Hindu Council responses via their letters to the Guardian too at some point.

    6. Sunny — on 28th November, 2006 at 3:01 pm  

      Jagdeep - haha, yeah don’t worry I have plans to reply to the Sikh Federation et al too.

      Mirax - yes I do have plans. But they will begin in earnest next year. Right now I’m happy just replying to people. I know I have to repeat myself a thousand times because they keep saying the same, but it’s important people get the point.

    7. SpoonShadow — on 28th November, 2006 at 3:24 pm  

      Peace be upon us all.

    8. Don — on 28th November, 2006 at 3:58 pm  

      Sunny if you try to reply to every article attacking you, then I suspect you will find more and more posted. Some of them with the principle object of subtly needling you until you become intemperate and then they’ll cherry-pick every cuss-word and hasty phrase to attack your credibility. Y’know, Amir-style.

      It’s not for me to advise others how to blog, but it might be helpful if, on NGN posts, regulars at least avoided old grudges, ad hominems etc.

    9. Jai — on 28th November, 2006 at 4:13 pm  

      Good point by The Don.

      Sunny, you may also wish to consider that the articles attacking you could also be an effort to cause you to divert your energies from elsewhere — so that you become so preoccupied with “answering” them that a) you inadvertantly give your accusers more and more material to use against you, and b) you don’t have the time to continue your activities against some of the groups you’re opposed to.

      Even if the above isn’t necessarily happening right now, it could well happen henceforth if the other parties think that their actions are having the desired effect.

    10. Refresh — on 28th November, 2006 at 4:23 pm  

      For goodness sake stop with the paranoia.

      Look for the positives and if there is room for agreement then pick and run with it.

      What will do the damage is the baggage that personal attacks from NGN fellow-travellers places on the objectives.

    11. Richard — on 28th November, 2006 at 4:45 pm  

      I often read PP. This is my first post. Sunny, whether you like it or not, you have now entered the political arena (and yes, it is an arena). Having fun? Just wait - they are going to tear you to pieces.

      Good luck, from a friend.

    12. Kismet Hardy — on 28th November, 2006 at 4:52 pm  

      I disagree with Sunny on points 7, 9 and the 4th paragraph of point 11, but mostly it’s that goatee beard that offends me.

      Attack me! Attack me!

    13. Sunny — on 28th November, 2006 at 4:58 pm  

      C’mon Richard, and the rest, give me some credit at least. I’ve been planning this for a long time and am fully aware of the pitfalls and what I’m doing.

      In parallel, there are things going on behind the scenes that don’t necessarily make it into this blog or on CIF. It is fun, just watch and eat the popcorn.

    14. Jagdeep — on 28th November, 2006 at 5:02 pm  

      It is fun. And we admire you. But do take Don’s advice because he speaks wisely.

    15. Sid — on 28th November, 2006 at 5:12 pm  

      dat man sunny got big cajunas.

    16. ZinZin — on 28th November, 2006 at 5:40 pm  

      “Well well, I didn’t know the MCB and their entire clique were such avid readers of Pickled Politics that they were able to reference year old articles.”

      It’s nice to know that they take you seriously, but is it personal or business?

      Chairwoman please post a link to these 20 points.

    17. William — on 28th November, 2006 at 5:49 pm  


      I only understand some of the issues and not too much about the organisations you refer to. However I understand that you are trying to add laterally to a debate and there are some reasons for this. You deserve support and you have mine.

    18. Chairwoman — on 28th November, 2006 at 6:38 pm  

      ZinZin - I honestly can’t remember where I found them, it was a link from another blog. I will try to find them for you :-)

    19. Harry — on 28th November, 2006 at 6:55 pm

    20. Chairwoman — on 28th November, 2006 at 7:12 pm  

      Aah - I thought it might have been you!

    21. Chairwoman — on 28th November, 2006 at 7:18 pm  

      I particularly liked point 12. I always suspected that I was disgusting, and now I know.

      Interesting point totally off thread. Jews have ritually unclean, Christians have original sin, and Muslims have bodliy revolting. Religion is an interesting concept.

    22. Don — on 28th November, 2006 at 7:47 pm  

      Years ago I read a quote, possibly apocryphal, from a medieval monk, something like ‘The way of a youth and a maid beneath a green bay tree on a fine May morning; if God will not forgive it, I will.’

      Never been able to track it down, but if true, that’s my kind of cleric.

    23. Chairwoman — on 28th November, 2006 at 7:51 pm  

      Medieval monks were much earthier than the modern variety. I too know that quote.

    24. Douglas Clark — on 28th November, 2006 at 8:03 pm  

      I see Mr Foley has come out on your side Sunny. Contrary to the headline.

      You might like to consider updating the CiF debate thread. This will run and run.

    25. ZinZin — on 28th November, 2006 at 8:40 pm  

      Read the 20 point it seems that Allah has a stop-watch that will send you to hellfire.

    26. Douglas Clark — on 28th November, 2006 at 9:42 pm  



      It seems to me, correct me if I’m wrong, that getting Ms Chakrabarti to sign up, obviously on an individual basis, would be a major plus to the campaign?

      She seems to be on your, sorry our, wavelength. She’s even the Tories favourite libertarian, check it out on 18 Dougthy Street.

      Have you tried?

    27. Refresh — on 29th November, 2006 at 2:40 am  

      I’ve just seen and heard Ms Chakrabarti call Salma Yaqoob ‘an inspiration to young people’.

      Be interested to know if Sunny has tried.

    28. Git — on 29th November, 2006 at 2:18 pm  

      Sunny - ignore the peaceniks above, keep on bashing the daft bint with evidence of her stupidity.

    29. Anas — on 29th November, 2006 at 2:41 pm  

      I thought it was funny when Julaybib called Trevor Philips the government’s number one Uncle Tom. Sad but true.

    30. Jagdeep — on 30th November, 2006 at 2:47 pm  

      Well that’s not a surprise you find that funny Anas

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