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  • Foot in mouth disease

    by Al-Hack
    13th September, 2006 at 9:26 am    

    “But some police officers and sections of the media are demonising Muslims, treating them as if they’re all terrorists — and that encourages other people to do the same.

    “If that demonisation continues, then Britain will have to deal with two million Muslim terrorists — 700,000 of them in London,” he said. “If you attack a whole community, it becomes despondent and aggressive.” [Sunday Telegraph]

    Thanks Abdul Bari, we really needed that. Should the MCB (a) invest in some media training, (b) elect someone with brains, or (c) shut the hell up? Answers on the back of a postcard please. I don’t know about you but I’m positively relieved when he says this.

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    1. Sahil — on 13th September, 2006 at 9:31 am  

      Oh god, the wonderful MCB again.

      “The government is marginalizing major Muslim organizations, including the MCB, and it seems that new organizations are being brought up in the house of parliament where they don’t have any base,”


    2. Roger — on 13th September, 2006 at 10:24 am  

      If Mr. Bari keeps making such damnfool things muslims may find themselves facing fifty eight million terrorists.

    3. Kismet Hardy — on 13th September, 2006 at 10:24 am  

      I dunno, when I was a scruffy but squeaky clean teen, I’d forever be stopped and searched by coppers who thought I’d have drugs on me. Within a matter of days, I became a full blown junkie. So if coppers keep calling me a terrorist, who knows? I might just go home and take more drugs

    4. Roger — on 13th September, 2006 at 10:42 am  

      If Mr. Bari keeps saying such damnfool things muslims may find themselves facing fifty eight million terrorists.

    5. Kismet Hardy — on 13th September, 2006 at 10:58 am  

      I think ‘making’ was valid Roger. A lot of things are made up these days

    6. Roger — on 13th September, 2006 at 11:19 am  

      Infairness to Mr Bari, I don’t think he makes anything more dangerous than stupid remarks.

    7. zahed — on 13th September, 2006 at 12:12 pm  

      I don’t know what it is about the MCB that has them make a legitimate concern sound like a belligerent threat.

      I was cautiously optimistic when Sacranie left, but I give up. Do they have any idea how ridiculous they sound?

    8. bananabrain — on 13th September, 2006 at 12:30 pm  

      the more this pendu talks, the more necessary it becomes for muslims to have an umbrella organisation like the board of deputies. at the moment, the mcb spends all its time trying to make itself the sole conduit for muslim opinion. personally, i think british muslims have more diversity in their outlook than the bungalow-wallah family and their stooges, to say nothing of those goons at mpac and mab.

      bah! that’s what i say. baaaaah.



    9. Don — on 13th September, 2006 at 12:32 pm  

      Is Mr Bari seriously asserting that every single muslim is liable to turn to terrorism? That the natural response to despondancy is mass murder?

    10. Bert Preast — on 13th September, 2006 at 12:33 pm  

      The reason the government is marginalising the MCB is because the MCB has proved itself unwilling to negotiate. They just keep insisting they should have a veto on British foreign policy, and are unable to accept they’re not going to get one.

      Since Sacranie went things have gone from bad to worse, all we hear now is dire threats and predictions and they seem to have completely forgotten about domestic muslim issues unless the issue could be made to look islamophobic.

    11. Yakoub/Julaybib — on 13th September, 2006 at 12:40 pm  

      How is it that the national organisation of my religion has come to be led by such a complete and utter buffoon? How did this guy get a PhD? Is his fly permanently unzipped? Does he wear his pants backwards?



    12. Sunny — on 13th September, 2006 at 12:51 pm  

      Sheesh! Abdul Bari does a good enough job of demonising Muslims in the media himself, there’s no point even complaining about the Daily Mail, Express or Telegraph sometimes.

    13. Kismet Hardy — on 13th September, 2006 at 1:00 pm  

      In Arabic, Abdul means ‘slave of the’ and seeing as Bari is an ancient city discovered by the Illyrians, it’s fair to say he’s shackled to cuckoo land

    14. bananabrain — on 13th September, 2006 at 1:06 pm  

      @yakoub/julaybib: hur hur hur hur. wears his trousers backwards. hehehehe.

      @kismet: what’s arabic for “stupidity”? he’s certainly abd-ul that. perhaps we should call him “abu jahil”?



    15. Leon — on 13th September, 2006 at 1:39 pm  

      Dear oh dear, Bari is clearly no fool (although he looks like one from time to time), this is probably just the MCB shitting it about losing influence but more importanly funding. A cynical and unsurprising move…

    16. David T — on 13th September, 2006 at 3:03 pm  

      No, he is a fool.

    17. Leon — on 13th September, 2006 at 3:18 pm  

      He’s as much a fool as George Bush.

    18. Abdul Bari — on 13th September, 2006 at 3:26 pm  

      David T: Careful, if you go round mocking muslims, calling them fools, there will be a march 700,000 strong in Hyde Park of Muslims with rubber noses, green trousers and one of those squirty flower things.

      That´ll show you.

    19. funkg — on 13th September, 2006 at 4:48 pm  

      Before I pack up and go to my running club I thought I would post this paragraph. It may not be directly linked with the topic (sorry) but I thought it was quite good. As most of you are aware the ‘Asian American’ is not referring to South East Asian which is common in Europe but in this instance is referring to Korean American.

      ‘More and more Asian Americans through many modern visual works have become more aware of the negative associations of the label of model minority. For instance, a Korean immigrant remarks, “I used to feel good when Asians were looked upon more favorably than other minority groups by listening to whites’ admiration of Asians. I don’t fall into that trap of pitting one minority group against another by the dominant group anymore” (Jo 138). Asian Americans are realizing and becoming more aware of how the media uses them when white dominance or security is threatened (Cho, S. 202). Today’s visual representations of Asian Americans as model minorities are being challenged and it is important to recognize negative stereotypes in order to make more positive perceptions of Asian Americans in the future.

    20. Osama Saeed — on 13th September, 2006 at 5:20 pm  

      Abdul Bari says that he did not say that to the Telegraph, who distorted his comments:

    21. Jagdeep — on 13th September, 2006 at 5:24 pm  

      This is just an example of freshie idocy. Let’s face facts, Unclejis from ‘back home’, unless they are really secular and liberal, don’t have the same level of critical self awareness that young Asians are developing, and often they translate the rhetoric of ‘motherland’ language into the English they speak. If this kind of overstatement and over-reaching and hysteria was said in relation to something or another by your Uncle at home you woudlnt bat an eyelid. When it comes from the leader of the largest supposedly representative body of Muslims in Britain, this freshy style is a disaster.

      Time for British born and raised, Liverpool or Man Utd supporting, fish and chip eating Muslims with English as their first language and an understanding of how words matter to take over leadership. The Uncles are sinking the ship.

    22. Sunny — on 13th September, 2006 at 5:29 pm  

      Osama - Right, in which case the MCB should sue the Telegraph for making up quotes or refer it to the PCC at least?

      But they haven’t said they will, presumably because he said it by mistake and then later realised how it sounded. The Telegraph would probably have a recorded tape of that interview and be able to justify its headline.

    23. Jagdeep — on 13th September, 2006 at 5:29 pm  


      That is an interesting article. Interesting how we all want to jump to the tune of ‘The Man’ sometimes, like sealions being fed fish at the zoo, for mainstream approval.

      I definitely think we can all learn off each other, not only in the Asian ‘communities’, like how letting women work benefits everyone and some are doing better than others, but also learn off the strategies and tactics of the Jewish community, and learn to be more chilled out about things like dating as Afro-Carribean parents are with their kids. It gets into a ruck when everyone starts cussing each other with their success though doesnt it?

      Babylon is too crafty.

    24. fugstar — on 13th September, 2006 at 9:35 pm  

      About his words being render completely in interview.

      Transcription never reveals the ‘whole’ thing. a Journalist seeking the truth would furnish it better, so that there was more resemblence of the communication

      You folks give people an undue hard time. perhaps the internet makes whingers of us all.

      sunny , its odd that you accord the telegraph such high reporting integrity.

      Besides, the point of the matter, the spirit of the statement, remains true, that daemonisation, leads to problems. you all , i guess agree with that statement, so why are you bitching so much?

      i think you guys are too used to the new labour spin machine, and a littlel too obsessed with TWAT.

      Leon, govt funding is not the entire purpose of the mcb, maybe you have them confused with some two but regeneration outfit, or some western ngo in the developing world. I find that people accord it the status of the vatican in order to create something, which they can use by proxy, to denigrate muslims.

      my two takas to this dialogue of the deaf… abdul bari translates to Servant of the Creator, creator being one of the Names of God for the Muslims.

      “legitimate concern or beligerent threat”

      folks, wtf do you think?

    25. mirax — on 14th September, 2006 at 2:40 am  

      My morning papers reprinted an obnoxious article - it is not online as far as i know- and below’s the gist of it. My point is that ‘demonisation’ of muslims is all too easy when muslim leaders and organisations seem crudely determined to provide such rich pickings.

      The article was printed in the premier malaysian paper, New Straits Times, a couple of days ago to er, “commemorate” Sept 11. Its author is Dzulkifli Razak, vice-chancellor of Unversiti Sains Malaysia. The title is :Is 9/11 a lie staged by Washington?

      I realised how naive I was to expect a debunking of the common conspiracy theories - I may have unrealistically high expectations of academics- when I got into the article proper. It was full blown denial and bull shit. But what makes it really scary is that the author relies on a recent issue (Vol 8) of OIC Today (presumably a newsletter of that august grouping, the OIC) which apparently made this its COVER STORY with the headline : Did 9/11 really happen?

      Apparently there is much (muslim) rejoicing that the “shroud of lies has fallen one by one” and the author is firmly convinced that all the people cannot be fooled all the time. He does take the time out for a single begrudging show of compassion for the 9/11 victims with the second to last line: But all the same, we must offer condolences to those who have lost their loved ones due to the follies of some people.


    26. Sunny — on 14th September, 2006 at 2:54 am  

      Fugstar - it actually becomes irrelevant what he means. Though I sincerely hope he meant Muslims would feel alientated not they’d turn to terrorism. He has a very low opinion of Muslims if he think they’d all turn suicide bombers.

      I am not a fan of the Telegraph. But if they misquoted him he should complain, given this was carried in the Daily Mail and Evening Standard and it only gives the impression that Muslims are just itching to blow themselves up.

      Yes I’m very wary of Muslims being demonised enmasse. But I’m also wary that people from the MCB actually make things worse by not thinking before speaking.

    27. mirax — on 14th September, 2006 at 3:09 am  

      The article I referred to is online after all:

      Professor Dzulkifli Razak is lauded as an ‘intellectual par excellence’ in Malaysia. Hmmmmnn.

    28. Amir — on 14th September, 2006 at 3:12 am  

      Oh dear,

      Abdul Bari should not have said that. This is very, very, very, very bad.

    29. mirax — on 14th September, 2006 at 5:31 am  

      Correction : OIC does not refer to the Organisation of Islamic Conference as I (or indeed anyone else) assumed but ‘to OIC Today [A Dubai-based business journal on the Options Industry] ran a story recently entitled: “Did 9/11 really happen?” ‘.

      Don’t know who wrote this article on aljazeera online magazine but looks like malaysian academic stole a couple of lines from it.

    30. fugstar — on 14th September, 2006 at 10:45 am  

      Does the official narrative of 11/9, the one that has been allowed to see the light of day, resemble the truth?

      does the official vsrion events EVER correspond to the truth?

      Im actually quite in admiration of the muslims who refuse to submit to the dominante explanation of events. Its not just muslims-la.

      remember that the malaysian, bless, press, is pretty state controlled.

      they have very interesting intellectuals, syed hussein alattas (sociology of corruption, myth of the lazy native, roblems facing intellectuals in developing countries) and chandra muzzafar and all.

      anyhoo, uncovering the truth in this matter is not going to be easy, and there are many more pressing things to be gettign along with. Besides those who invoke 11/9 with such fetishism… i think there ears and there eyes are filled with lead.

    31. seekeroftruth — on 14th September, 2006 at 2:18 pm  

      Although I am generally very critical of MCB it might be a good idea of looking at the other side of the story. It sppears that the now infamous quote might not be accurate at all:

    32. Bilal Patel — on 15th September, 2006 at 12:22 am  

      Humble pie, anyone?

    33. Bert Preast — on 15th September, 2006 at 9:53 am  

      Have they put this to the press complaints commission? Have they signalled their intention to take the Telegraph to court to clear their name?

      Remember when they added Rwanda to their list of genocides after the fact and claimed it had been there all along?

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