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  • Non-whites join the BNP… because they hate Muslims

    by Sunny
    20th November, 2009 at 12:29 pm    

    This isn’t surprising at all is it?

    An elderly Sikh who describes Islam as a “beast” and once provided a character reference for Nick Griffin during his racial hatred trial is set to become the British National Party’s first non-white member.

    Rajinder Singh, an anti-Islam activist in his late seventies who blames Muslims for the death of his father during the Partition of India in 1947, has been sympathetic towards Britain’s far-right party for much of the past decade even though he currently remains barred from becoming a member because of the colour of his skin.

    Mr Singh and another Sikh from Slough who goes by the pseudonym Ammo Singh have previously co-operated with the BNP and have been used by the party’s leadership to try to woo Asian supporters, particularly Hindus and Sikhs living in areas where tensions with Muslims run high. The party has had little success, however, with all mainstream Sikh and Hindu groups widely condemning the BNP.

    I thought the old man had said he previously appeared on the BNP political broadcast because he was tricked? Doesnt seem like that here. This isn’t that big a story because we knew such bigots existed among Sikhs/Hindus (as they do with Muslims). But it is an interesting development…
    [hat-tip: several readers sent in the link]

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    1. Dalbir — on 20th November, 2009 at 3:48 am  

      I like the way that this old baba, who has been through a seriously traumatic experience as a child, is plastered all over the place. What about the half Turk and Jewish BNP members. How comes they don't get this exposure?

    2. Graham — on 20th November, 2009 at 5:19 am  

      Of course Griffin is attempting to sell the BNP as not “racist” but just about difference and having a respect for all cultures. he is bound to fool some people amongst ethnic minorities, we are all only human after all. But exactly how typical is Rajinder Singh would you say? I taught in Gravesend (where there is a large Sikh community) for a while and heard slight rumblings of support for the BNP (although I certainly met nobody who would have been prepared to join them.) Is Singh mad? A Sikh equivalent of that Exeter suicide bomber?

    3. Abdul Abulbul Emir — on 20th November, 2009 at 5:57 am  

      Mrs A is over the moon Mr Sunny.

      She says:

      At last a political party for people who don't like people who don't like them - and we can join Abdul.

      I do feel naughty Abdul . A bit Belle de Jour.

      At this I finally lose patience.

      Woman I say wash your mouth out (remove yashmak first please) and please no more dirty talk.

      I will not have the BNP mentioned in the same breath as that filthy trollope.

      Peace be upon me.

    4. Binky — on 20th November, 2009 at 5:58 am  

      Will Hindus and Zoroastrian Pasees be signing up in large numbers?

      The All-British National Party; cool idea!

    5. Jai — on 20th November, 2009 at 6:15 am  

      To supplement Dalbir’s spot-on points in first post above along with his comments in the previous thread where this matter was mentioned, I think a few more things need to be stated for the record in relation to Rajinder Singh. While his reaction is understandable from a “flawed human nature” perspective, considering the apparent loss of his father during Partition, it isn’t justifiable, either from a general moral perspective or indeed from a specifically Sikh perspective. Let me give an example of another Sikh who suffered immense personal tragedy at the hands of Muslims, in some cases explicitly claiming to be acting in the name of Islam.

      Guru Gobind Singh, the last human spiritual leader of the Sikhs 300 years ago, lost his father, Guru Tegh Bahadur, when he was only 9 years old. The Mughal administration at the time was attempting to force the Kashmiri Brahmin population to covert to Islam; the latter were on good terms with the Sikhs and therefore asked Guru Tegh Bahadur to help them. The Guru travelled to the Mughal capital of Delhi with a couple of companions in order to intervene on the Kashmiri Brahmins behalf. They were subsequently arrested by members of the Mughal administration; after some discussions with Emperor Aurangzeb, the latter ordered that the Guru should be forcibly converted to Islam. He was kept in a cage, tortured, and since he refused to convert, subsequently executed; he was beheaded in full view of the public in the Chandni Chowk area of what is now called Old Delhi. Due to threats of retribution from soldiers present, ordinary Sikhs who witnessed this couldn’t even openly reclaim the body; later on, a Sikh managed to recover the decapitated body and burned down his own house as a cover to cremate it, and another Sikh rescued the head and took it to Anandpur Sahib in Punjab, where it was formally cremated by the young Guru Gobind Singh (at the time called “Gobind Rai”).

      Years later, when the conflicts with the Mughal administration had escalated into all-out warfare, Guru Gobind Singh’s two older teenage sons died on the battlefield. His two younger sons, both less than 10 years old, were captured (along with Guru Gobind Singh’s mother) by Mughal officials in Sirhind, Punjab. The Governor of Sirhind tried to force the two boys to convert to Islam and, when he failed, subsequently had them executed, despite the forceful protests of one of the Muslim noblemen present who desperately tried to intervene on their behalf. Guru Gobind Singh’s mother died of shock soon afterwards. There was also a time when Guru Gobind Singh himself found himself completely cut off from his family and his remaining followers, hunted by the Mughal army, during what was one of the darkest periods of his life.

      And yet……Guru Gobind Singh never used any of this as an excuse to attack, demonise, caricature and stereotype Islam as a whole or Muslims en masse. He did not scream vengeance against the entire Muslim population of the Mughal Empire. He did not launch attacks against mosques or Sufi shrines. He did not ban Muslims from entering gurdwaras (Sikh temples). He did not initiate any kind of “voluntary repatriation with a firm incentive” of Muslims from territories governed or dominated by Sikhs. He did not order his followers to dig up and remove the foundation stone of what is now called the Golden Temple in Amritsar, which one of his predecessors had invited a Muslim saint called Mian Mir to lay (Mian Mir was the spiritual instructor of the liberal and cultured Prince Dara Shukoh, son of Emperor Shah Jahan of “Taj Mahal” fame, the latter’s chosen heir, and ultimately murdered by his brother Aurangzeb during the war of sucession). Guru Gobind Singh did not remove the verses originally written by Muslim saints such as Baba Farid which had been incorporated into the Guru Granth Sahib, the holy book of Sikhism and whose final version the Guru was responsible for compiling and editing; he did not remove any of the Islamic names for God which the scriptures contain; he did not add any material attacking ordinary Muslims en masse or denigrating Islam as a whole. He did not support or condone anyone else who was bigotted against Muslims either. He certainly did not promote hatred, prejudice, or the notion of “collective guilt”.

      In fact, Guru Gobind Singh actively promoted the notion of desiring the wellbeing and happiness of the entire human race without any kind of distinction or bias regarding people’s individual religious affiliations (or ethnic background, for that matter). He explicitly promoted the teaching that people should “view the whole of humanity as one race”. He was actively assisted by ordinary Muslims trying to save his life when he was completely isolated and being hunted by the Mughal army. He had Muslim officers in his own Khalsa army, including Mughal generals who had defected to his cause in the middle of battles. He explicitly ordered the soldiers in his army not to molest any Muslim women they came across after battles. His entire military and political strategy refrained from attacks on civilians. On the battlefield, he would even use arrows which were mounted with a small amount of gold in order to provide financial assistance to the families of those he killed or, alternatively, to enable the wounded soldier to buy medical assistance if he survived Guru Gobind Singh’s attack.

      And after a series of atrocities suffered by the Sikhs, Guru Gobind Singh wrote a lengthy and extremely forceful letter to Aurangzeb condemning him for his hypocrisy and bigotry, but which simultaneously included a list of what the Guru regarded as the emperor’s genuine positive qualities (albeit with the damning caveat “….but true spiritual righteousness is very far from you”), and the promise that the Guru would be happy to meet the Emperor, reconcile with him and “speak some kind words” to him if he would sincerely reconsider his attitude and actions; as confirmed by the authenticated historical records of Aurangzeb’s memoirs and letters to his sons, the Emperor did subsequently experience something of an epiphany and immediately ceased all hostilities with the Sikhs (along with Hindus and other groups he’d been persecuting). Aurangzeb and Guru Gobind Singh were even in the process of formally arranging to meet each other but the aged emperor died before that could occur. And during the subsequent war of succession, Guru Gobind Singh subsequently gave military support to Bahadur Shah I, one of Aurangzeb’s sons and ultimately the next Emperor.

      The BNP’s cynical exploitation of Rajinder Singh is unfortunate but not unexpected. However, along with his fellow BNP supporter “Ammo Singh”, he is completely the wrong person to refer to if one wishes to find an example of the true teachings of Sikhism and the correct attitude Sikhs are supposed to have in this matter. If anyone is looking for the latter, they should go right to the source, because Guru Gobind Singh himself suffered far greater personal tragedy throughout his own life than Rajinder Singh did, and by his own example and teachings Guru Gobind Singh obviously embodied a very, very different message to the opportunistic, hate-filled, divisive, sectarian propaganda & agenda the BNP are now trying to promote.

    6. Katy Newton — on 20th November, 2009 at 6:32 am  

      Well, I certainly remember a fair bit of publicity about both the Jewish and the Asian BNP members some time back. A couple of years ago now, perhaps? I can't remember. I'd be inclined to say that they didn't make as much of a splash back then because the BNP hadn't just had a whole episode of QT devoted to it, nor was it embroiled in highly-publicised public law proceedings to force it to change its charter.

    7. billy — on 20th November, 2009 at 12:05 pm  

      Its not really an interesting development - this old man has been the BNP's performing monkey for a couple of years now. I feel for the man having his family killed by muslims during partition, but those events saw innocent people of all religions get killed - Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims. The man looks like a lonely fella nursing a long held grievance and finding a way to express it that makes him feel less lonely in his old age. I don't think he is compos mentis.

    8. billy — on 20th November, 2009 at 12:06 pm  

      “But exactly how typical is Rajinder Singh would you say?”


      What do you think? Do you think old Sikh men joining the BNP is typical? Come on, use your head.

    9. Kulvinder — on 20th November, 2009 at 1:03 pm  

      What would Gadaffi say?

      I'm in one of those awkward 'should i laugh, should i not laugh' moments. Although not condonable, that man's emotions are understandable. The BNP are hardly the first organsation to exploit emotion in this way. The Sun's use of Jacqui Janes to attack Gordon Brown, and in turn his use of Sara Payne are calculated attempts to stifle debate.

      It is incredibly difficult to debate raw emotion.

      For what its worth forcing the BNP to take in people they don't want was wrong; 'flooding' the BNP with non-white people will only reinforce the notion that Britain is under seige; i disagree with the grass root supporters of the BNP but im empathetic, and sympathetic enough to understand the reasons for them having the views they do.

      I don't believe they are rational, but i don't patronise them.

      If the BNP leadership really, and truly thinks it is better than the other political parties; that what it represents is more human and just for its people, then exploiting the pain of others isn't the best way of showing it.

      Gordon Brown in turn shouldn't resort to avatars of grief instead of arguments.

    10. Jimmy — on 20th November, 2009 at 2:40 pm  

      I think if anyone really doubts the very serious issues we all will face soon with the extremely rapid Islamic takeover of Europe will bring they should watch the video linked to below.

      But be warned, you must have a very strong stomach to take it.

    11. Graham — on 20th November, 2009 at 3:28 pm  

      “What do you think? Do you think old Sikh men joining the BNP is typical?”

      Nothing much would surprise me these days. not after having a black woman tell me she was going to vote BNP.

    12. pounce — on 20th November, 2009 at 3:59 pm  

      A few years ago I had to undertake my annual Army medical as the usual doc was away they brought in a couple of civy doctors and the one who saw and failed me was a sikh.
      Now when I reported to the nurse with my paperwork she went up the wall. as unknown to the doctor I was actually one of the fittest blokes on the camp (8 mile daily run, member of the shooting team, Karate 3 times a week, gym in the days in between. Ultra healthy diet) Now the nurse ripped up his paperwork and told me to report again when the usual doc was back.I passed, having never met any Sikhs before I was kind of suspicious of why he failed me. But since then I've met a number of Sikhs in the army and we have got on fine. (Well the rank kind of helps)

    13. persephone — on 20th November, 2009 at 4:06 pm  

      “But exactly how typical is Rajinder Singh would you say?”

      Sikhs are meant to be believe in equality in all its forms - religious, gender etc. I hardly think that closely aligns a sikhs values with the BNP. The turban is to symbolise the equality of all people.

      Also, the majority of Sikh turban wearers also have a beard – as uncut hair is a central aspect

      I wonder if the turban is for the publicity shots.

    14. Sunny H — on 20th November, 2009 at 6:28 pm  

      You folks seem to forget that this is rather predictable and smells like a publicity stunt by the BNP.

      Rajinder Singh was on a Party Political Broadcast by the BNP a few years back remember?

      And then there were those idiots who claimed to be from Shere Panjab who wanted to join the BNP to fight Muslims etc.

      These people have learnt nothing from the Divide and Rule tactics of the British Raj. Oh well, he's an old idiot. What can you do?

    15. quantum_singularity — on 20th November, 2009 at 9:08 pm  

      This little more than opportunism by the BNP to benefit from recent tensions with muslims. Though I seriously doubt any number of minorities would seriously consider joining such a racist outfit. Nevertheless anti-muslim sentiment is real and is growing fast. Many of my friends are Mexican and Chinese Americans. They now regularly spout islamophobic language all the time. One of them picked up a new phrase: “going muslim” which means going insane and getting violent in a bout of religious hysteria.

    16. Binky — on 20th November, 2009 at 9:09 pm  

      Other Voices:…

      Will there ever be a Sikh bloc vote within the BNP, I wonder?
      For those not in-the-know, American Renaissance is both right-of-centre and above-average-intelligence as well as being an open forum
      [i.e. it is far easier to get erased on Socialist Unity or Penny Red than on AmRen

    17. Dalbir — on 20th November, 2009 at 10:31 pm  

      And then there were those idiots who claimed to be from Shere Panjab who wanted to join the BNP to fight Muslims etc.

      Most of the older Shere Panjab guys I have met would never join the BNP. Many have experienced direct conflict with the NF and are not fooled by their new face. In fact they are usually the first to warn against joining the 'skinheads'.

      Who are you talking about?

    18. douglas clark — on 21st November, 2009 at 1:29 am  


      As I really think that sex beats race beats politics, I cannot in all conscience, agree.

      There are a lot of people that are not tied to the ethnic identities that one would read into your posts. It seems to me, correct me if I am wrong, that people will do what the heck they like. They will marry whoever they want to.

      And they are not too concerned quite what their child looks like. That is not to say that we can't have a vibrant Asian community. It is simply to say that love will out. And their child will, in all likelyhood, be beautiful

      That is my belief.

    19. Graham — on 21st November, 2009 at 4:09 am  

      If the BNP have been forced to admit members who are non-white perhaps we should all join and use our power to re-write their constitution to that of a toddlers club in Brixton.

    20. Binky — on 21st November, 2009 at 4:20 am  

      The word *vibrant* is to be avoided at all times.

      If used to describe a city neighbourhood it simply means that you are highly likely to be mugged there.

    21. douglas clark — on 21st November, 2009 at 4:27 am  


      You are quite right, 'Vibrant' is a pathetic word and should be excluded from dictionaries forthwith.

      I apologise for ever using it.

      (Ed's - will that do?)

    22. Curious? — on 21st November, 2009 at 9:25 am  

      Rajinder Singh is not a Sikh and his views don't reflect those of the community. He is just a token piece for the BNP.

    23. damon — on 21st November, 2009 at 10:49 am  

      I hate the BNP like any other thinking person does.
      I looked on their website yesterday and saw this Welsh BNP supporter talking like this about Wembley.

      And this one about Peckham (in south London)

      Call then Nazis. I think that's probably what they are.
      I think too, that the motovation of Barnbrook and Griffin is to stop places like Dagenham becoming like this.

      I think that many Brits (of all colours) might think that this was too much.

      Personally I like neighbourhoods like this, but you can't please everyone.

      In the first youtube (in Wembley), I think they chose to stand outside a mosque on a friday, as they knew it would show what they wanted to show.
      The second one in Peckham is just the everyday scene.

      To fight the BNP, I think that we should be celebrating what they show in their videos.

    24. George — on 21st November, 2009 at 11:19 am  

      Not surprising how older Indians like Rajinder Singh with their limited rational equipment make their decisions - for them the emotional (and possibly imagined) hurt received at the hands of Muslims of a bygone era is more real and alive than the ideological rantings of the BNP. I guess he must be grateful he lives in the UK and won't mind putting up with white racism but he won't stand for oppression from fellow Asians.

    25. George — on 21st November, 2009 at 11:20 am  

      Not surprising how older Indians like Rajinder Singh with their limited rational equipment make their decisions - for them the emotional (and possibly imagined) hurt received at the hands of Muslims of a bygone era is more real and alive than the ideological rantings of the BNP. I guess he must be grateful he lives in the UK and won't mind putting up with white racism but he won't stand for oppression from fellow Asians.

    26. Dalbir — on 21st November, 2009 at 1:29 pm  

      That being said I don't think many people in the UK really appreciate the impact of partition on the Sikh community. It is foolish to think that the wholesale slaughter/rape and abductions that took place hasn't had some impact on the corporate memories of the communities involved. You don't have so many dead and forget about it overnight.

      I doubt the average Brit could grasp it. The island has never experienced anything like it.

    27. persephone — on 21st November, 2009 at 4:06 pm  

      I believe Rajinder Singh (and the anonymous Ammo Singh) has been used by the BNP since late 2001…

      He is the only identified Asian supporting them for the last 8 years. Where are the others they purport?

      The link from 2001 also states that Rajinder Singh intended to set up an Asian Friends of the BNP group to act as a supporting body and conduit for funds. Anyone heard of them setting up since the last 8 years?

      Also, prevent many non whites joining the BNP as a way to change their constitution, there is talk of a new BNP associate membership being created to house non whites as 'members' that prevents them from making changes to policy.

    28. frolix22 — on 23rd November, 2009 at 1:26 am  

      The enemy of my enemy is my friend… even when he is my enemy… apparently.

    29. donuthingeparty — on 25th November, 2009 at 6:17 am  

      My great grandad was killed by the Germans in 1945. Should I be campaigning for the repatriation of all Germans? Just so as I know.

    30. thoughtly — on 26th November, 2009 at 10:04 am  

      Firstly the fascists are the UAF who support Iran, hamas and hezbollah who want to wipe Israel and Israeli Jews off the map. Unlike them the BNP accepts Israel's right to exist. Secondly, Nick Griffin is in the process of reforming his party, ditching all the old clause 4 style baggage of the past, and bringing together a party of black and white loyal British people, who will challenge the One-Party-State corrupt liberal elites, end multicultural balkanisation, Islamisation and mass immigration and bring Britain’s sovereignty back from Europe.
      Check my website.

    31. Don — on 26th November, 2009 at 10:52 am  

      Check my website.

      I would, but I've filled my moron quota for the week. We'll keep your details on file.

    32. Rumbold — on 26th November, 2009 at 12:12 pm  

      Heh Don. Wonderful.

    33. Mr Smith — on 24th April, 2010 at 3:43 am  

      Mr Singh joining the party is no surprise to me and I wouldn’t be surprised if more Indians - Sikhs or Hindus join the BNP. The real issue has been immigration but also muslims living in Europe. Many muslims don’t wish to adapt to society and would like us adapt to their religious belief. I have no hate for the Islam religion but this country cannot be dictated by the muslim community, nor by any other country. The BNP have good policies in place in comparison to the others.

    34. douglas clark — on 24th April, 2010 at 4:31 am  

      Rumbold or someone,

      Could you take this absolute shite in my name down?

      Just asking!

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