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  • Mark Thomas says vote Green!

    by Leon
    15th April, 2009 at 8:39 pm    

    I must admit I’m a little surprised, I always had the impression Mark Thomas wasn’t too keen on voting. This is another step in the Green Party becoming the ‘left’ alternative for those who don’t want to vote Labour or can’t bear voting Lib Dem.

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    1. pickles

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    1. Sousbois — on 15th April, 2009 at 9:50 pm  

      “for those who don’t want to vote Labour or can’t bear voting Lib Dem”

      ..and aren’t too bright; and believe that they should probably:
      a) vote like some comedian does;
      b) wear the same shoes as some teenage actress does;
      c) care about the environment as much as some ‘global’ rock star with his own jet does;

    2. Silent Hunter — on 15th April, 2009 at 10:07 pm  

      Yeah, very good Sousbois!

      So who do you vote for then - BNP?

    3. Leon — on 15th April, 2009 at 10:22 pm  

      Mark Thomas is a comedian and political activist. He’s campaigned tirelessly for years on issues that matter. I’d hardly think it’s fair to compare him to the likes of Britney Spears of bloody Bono…

    4. ceedee — on 15th April, 2009 at 11:10 pm  

      Mark Thomas was on good rabble-rousing form at the “Put People First” G20 demonstration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjKNja3m0zc

    5. fug — on 15th April, 2009 at 11:46 pm  

      He’s right of course, neoliberal capitalism must die and the greens are good value and should be empowered.

    6. Mark Thompson — on 16th April, 2009 at 9:01 am  

      I think he has been a member of the Greens for a while now. Also, he had Caroline Lucas on one of his podcasts recently and I got the impression he was very taken with her!

    7. cjcjc — on 16th April, 2009 at 9:31 am  

      Before I make up my own mind I think I will also need to check what Harry Hill, Ronnie Corbett and Alan Carr are telling me to do.

    8. platinum786 — on 16th April, 2009 at 10:04 am  

      vote green, vote for people who care about plants more than they care about me, no thanks.

    9. Leon — on 16th April, 2009 at 11:01 am  

      Before I make up my own mind I think I will also need to check what Harry Hill, Ronnie Corbett and Alan Carr are telling me to do.

      That’s such a bizarre reaction!

      Mark aint giving anybody orders and as I said as a political activist (and highly respected and effective one I might add) his words carry a little bit more weight than other comedians…

    10. dave bones — on 16th April, 2009 at 11:09 am  

      Aren’t the Green stuck in the same “Power struggle with no power whatsoever” that the other failing left are stuck in?

    11. fug — on 16th April, 2009 at 11:37 am  

      Maybe be is putting Mark Thomas in the same category as Bob Geldof and Bono, easily done, especially if you are dumb.

    12. cjcjc — on 16th April, 2009 at 12:10 pm  

      “neoliberal capitalism must die” - now that’s dumb…

    13. The Common Humanist — on 16th April, 2009 at 1:26 pm  

      Mark Thomas is a well respected political and human rights campaigner as well as a (very funny) comedian.

      And, incidently, are the arts the only career path where, all of a sudden, you aren’t allowed to have an opinion on political issues?

    14. dave bones — on 16th April, 2009 at 2:57 pm  

      No. Police don’t usually have political opinions whenever I have asked them about stuff..

    15. dave bones — on 16th April, 2009 at 2:59 pm  

      Teachers.. Teachers as well. When I was a kid I think I remember a teacher saying exactly those words

      “I’m not allowed to have a political opinion.”

      I think he was a lefty.

    16. cjcjc — on 16th April, 2009 at 4:09 pm  

      Of course you are allowed.
      But the arts is rather a career path where the common assumption within that profession appears to be that other people are, or at least certainly should be, interested in your opinion.

      For the most part of course, the opinions in question turn out to be a combination of platitudinous and vacuous. Leavened occasionally with outright bonkersness, with frequent large added doses of hypocrisy.

    17. Don — on 16th April, 2009 at 4:46 pm  

      I have a huge regard for Mark Thomas and I’m quite happy to listen to what he has to say, being reasonably sure it will be neither platitudinous nor vacuous. But I probably won’t be voting Green.

      I’ll vote, as always, to keep the Tories out. Rather a fruitless execise in a safe Tory seat with Labour self-destructing about our ears. But it’s hard to break the habit of a lifetime. If that is a Green candidate, cool. But it’s more likely to be Lib-Dem.

    18. Delboy — on 16th April, 2009 at 8:15 pm  

      Surely, Don, if it’s a safe Tory seat then voting Labour will do nothing to “keep the Tories out”? First past the post, and all that. Might as well vote for whichever candidate you agree with most.

    19. fug — on 16th April, 2009 at 9:46 pm  

      The ‘keep the tories out’ voting rationale masks the actual popularity of alternate streams of political possibility. The tories are already in, although its the 3rd XI. I think Mark Thomas is refering to the european elections also. so why not?

    20. Trofim — on 17th April, 2009 at 10:28 am  

      #8 platinum 786:

      You are plants, I’m plants, every creature, including every example of homo sapiens is plants which have been broken down and reconstituted. And you and I in turn will be broken down and turned back into plants, and so on. That food you’ve eaten, are eating and are going to eat in the future, is or used to be plants. No plants - no life; no plants - no people; no plants - no platinum786.

    21. damon — on 17th April, 2009 at 12:35 pm  

      I dont mind Mark Thomas, and I wish I’d stuck around for an extra half an hour on that saturday (as I was there in Hyde Park) to hear him speak, but I do find him a bit sanctimonious too.

      It’s not so much him, as people who think he’s great and that I have fallen out with (and think are arrogant PC airheads).
      If you don’t know what I mean - go along to a Billy Bragg concert sometime soon.
      The guy (Bragg) lives in a mansion on the clifs above the sea in Dorset.
      When asked about it (being the ”Bard of Barking” etc) he gives replies like this:

      ”This is a question that I get asked all the time, an evolution from that old chestnut from the 20th century - ‘If you like socialism so much, why don’t you go and live in Russia’. I take it as a sign that the contributor has nothing to say on the topic in question.”

      Maybe its a class thing. Do people who cheer Mark Thomas, sneer at ‘Britain’s got tallet’?
      I think they do - and that’s what turns me off the likes of Thomas and Mark Steel.

    22. Leon — on 17th April, 2009 at 1:58 pm  

      I’ve never known anyone to cheer MT and sneer BGT…MT makes a lot of sense and is a much needed voice on the left in this country.

      I’m not one of these people that says you have to be dirt poor to have socialist views, it’s what you do with your time and the effect you have that matters more than how many bedrooms your house has.

      Seriously, who doesn’t want a better life for themselves and their loved ones?

    23. Leon — on 17th April, 2009 at 2:00 pm  

      In addition I’d urge people to check out his podcast series on the economy, very interesting listening!


    24. Delboy — on 17th April, 2009 at 2:00 pm  

      What’s wrong at sneering at “Britain’s Got Talent”? What, are the left not allowed to look down on stupid crap just because some Sun-readers fill the void in their lives with it?

    25. Trofim — on 17th April, 2009 at 10:21 pm  

      But people can learn important lessons even from a trivial TV programme:


    26. Trofim — on 17th April, 2009 at 10:22 pm  

      Even trivial TV programmes can teach people something:


    27. damon — on 18th April, 2009 at 2:25 pm  

      Leon said: ”I’ve never known anyone to cheer MT and sneer BGT…MT makes a lot of sense and is a much needed voice on the left in this country.”

      I think I just had some bad experiences on another leftist website.
      They were people who meet up anually at this event called Tolpuddle Martyr’s Festival

      Some of them were really really nice people, but there was a core of the most unpleasant ‘PC’ (and ready to get nasty if they didn’t like what you said) people I have ever come across.
      See the last photo on that link … of Mark Steel in that marquee? How white and middle class it all looks.

      Even though you can see from these pictures that Bob Crow (who is as working class as you can be) and his RMT union turned out, it still all seems so twee.
      It’s Dorset after all.

      Mark Thomas - Mark Steel (and Jules Holland) all seem so effortlessly leftist and liberal that I wonder if they don’t look down on much of the population of the UK.
      The lumpenproletariat.
      I know some of those Billy Bragg fans I had the misfortune to encounter on the internet did.
      They would smugly agree with each other (for example) that they had the right to call out who was a racist or not - and the running joke was that it was always the person that said (according to them) ”I’m not a racist … but ..”
      Which meant if you disagreed with them on some issue (like Unite against Fascim’s ”no platform” for the BNP’s stance) - then you were probably a fascist yourself.
      Mark Thomas, Billy Bragg, Mark Steel - its not so much them I don’t like, but members of their audience.

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