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    Another Iraq abuse video unearths

    by Sunny on 12th February, 2006 at 12:21 pm    

    The News of the World today has a snapshot from a video showing British troops abusing some Iraqis, supposedly shot in Iraq in 2004. The BBC reports:

    On the tape, described as a “secret home video”, an unidentified cameraman is heard laughing and urging his colleagues on. It was apparently filmed for fun by a corporal.

    The Ministry of Defence said it was aware of the allegations, which are being investigated by the Royal Military Police.

    By next week I expect the pages on the NotW website will be changed, but you can read more on that here and here. Video is here for those inclined.

    It’s pure tragedy. I hope at least such exposé’s will force the army to be more disciplined rather than being able to hide them. And much as I was against the war in the first place, on balance I’d rather the troops stay there until the Iraqi army and police comes up to speed.

    I recently met someone who had been to Iraq recently, and he said the general lawlessness was astounding. Criminal gangs were constantly abducting people for ransom and carrying out gangland style killings to settle scores. The foreign armies don’t want to get caught in the middle of course so the situation keeps deteriorating.

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    1. Jay Singh — on 12th February, 2006 at 12:38 pm  

      I agree - it is best that the troops stay until the Iraqis are ready to take full control. But this makes me mad.

      I can’t help thinking that some of Iran’s belligerence now is because it is biding its time, waiting for Iraq to ’settle down’, American troops leave, then it gets the nuke and is ready to boss everyone around in the area full time.

    2. StrangelyPsychedelique — on 12th February, 2006 at 1:07 pm  

      Its a shit command situation…things like this will sadly keep happening but at least they come out and hopefully will be dealt with accordingly.

      It doesnt help that politicians keep sending mixed messages to the troops, most of whom are 19 - 21 year olds in a completely alien enviornment.
      Its asking a lot from these kids to be fighters, policemen and diplomats at the same time.
      That doesnt excuse the actions in the video(s) of course but thats part of why things like this happen.

    3. Jay Singh — on 12th February, 2006 at 1:15 pm  

      Strangely Psychedlique

      They are soldiers, not boy scouts. It is not asking them to do anything but their job. Plus they should know that the unifrom they put on represents the Queen and country, and not behave like a disgusting group of Paki bashers.

    4. j0nz — on 12th February, 2006 at 1:22 pm  

      Not a very nice video. But like Strangely Psychedlique said, at least people will no doubt be brought to justice.

      Jay there’s no evidence that this was racially motivated. If you listen to the video the guys says “that will teach you to shoot at us”, which doesn’t sound like a “paki basher” statement. The phrase is bandied about on this site and never seems to have any basis in reality. I’m pretty sure squaddies like that would like to beat up anyone.

    5. Jay Singh — on 12th February, 2006 at 1:31 pm  

      The phrase is bandied about on this site and never seems to have any basis in reality.

      jOnz says Paki Bashing does not exist! So it must be so.

    6. StrangelyPsychedelique — on 12th February, 2006 at 3:00 pm  

      >>They are soldiers, not boy scouts

      Not much difference you’ll find. War does horrible things to people and although I havnt served i have seen its effects up close and personal.
      Professionalism goes to hell when you confront people with enormous physical and psychological weights.

      Especially when you are fighting an urban enemy you cannot easily identify and cannot protect against. The politicians give you one message, the people ure supposed to be protecting detest you (with good reason) and above all its just a clusterf*ck scenario.

      its not right, its not pretty but it is one of the unfortunate issues that take place in warfare. Fortunately we have methods of recording such events and if we have the right leaders they will do what needs to be done.

    7. Robert — on 12th February, 2006 at 3:09 pm  

      Does this mean Piers Morgan will get his job back? I remember his ‘patriotism’ being questioned by NotW and The Sun after The Mirror published photographs of prisoner abuse.

      If you’re going to be pro-active about waging war then you need the moral high ground before you start. The cock-up over WMD and the mishandled insurgency means we’ve never had it. Blair and Reid need to take responsibility for stamping out this abuse.

    8. StrangelyPsychedelique — on 12th February, 2006 at 3:28 pm  

      >>Blair and Reid need to take responsibility for stamping out this abuse.

      You want them to take responsibility for abuse when theyve dodged culpability for the whole damn war?


    9. NorahJones — on 12th February, 2006 at 5:02 pm  

      Fucking fuckers. This is the first time I’ve been tempted to
      have a look at anything of this sort and I’m disgusted.

    10. Kulvinder — on 12th February, 2006 at 5:45 pm  

      No wait, its all a misunderstanding! british soilders can’t be involved in any abuse! its the americans that abuse everyone! the british don’t wear helmets!!! don’t you understand!! they don’t wear helmets they wear felt caps and their experience in Northern Ireland from 30 years ago means they can’t abuse anyone! from 30 years ago

      etc etc

    11. jamal — on 12th February, 2006 at 6:25 pm  

      I read about this yesterday. Its disgusting the way the army employs such people whilst claiming to be so upstanding.

      On the bit about criminal gangs, I heard that alot of kids are being encouraged and forced into prostitution also.

    12. StrangelyPsychedelique — on 12th February, 2006 at 8:12 pm  

      I think people are missing the big picture (the media in general not the folks here).
      What do you expect from soliders who have the likes of Bush n Blair as commanders in chief?
      Their LEADERS set no example for exemplary behaviour.
      The voting majority of the nations they serve reelect these leaders…power, deceit, lies etc they all pay off it appears.

      This goes beyond chastising the acts of a few moronic knuckleheads….it speaks volumes about society in general…

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