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  • ‘Buying medals’ for the Olympics?

    by Sunny
    26th August, 2008 at 4:51 pm    

    Andy Gilmour has written a good piece, after I asked him, about the whole question of whether Britain has been ‘buying medals’ just because it has good sporting facilities. He rightly lays into the Tax Payers Alliance sort of stupid thinking, which I’m very pleased about.

    More TPA stupidity here today about public sector pay.

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    1. Rumbold — on 26th August, 2008 at 5:07 pm  

      Public sector workers now are paid more than private sector workers. And they get amazing pensions.

    2. inders — on 26th August, 2008 at 5:10 pm  

      ^ Are they ?

    3. Rumbold — on 26th August, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    4. Sunny — on 26th August, 2008 at 5:34 pm  

      That’s just a rehashment of the Daily Mail headline. And as a rule, I never believe what the Daily Mail says.

    5. modernity — on 26th August, 2008 at 6:45 pm  

      Off topic:

      Harry’s Place has been attacked, and is functioning from a backup blog,

      Your support in this matter would be appreciated

    6. Don — on 26th August, 2008 at 8:24 pm  


      As the second link showed, you are not comparing like with like. The lower paid, manual work that was once public sector has largely been handed over to private sector agencies - who pay minimum wage. Most people currently in the public sector are skilled, trained and qualified, so to complain that they earn more on average than workers in the private sector is meaningless.

      If you can show that people who have similar qualifications and skill sets earn significantly more in the public sector I’d be more easily convinced. Personal experience makes me think that unlikely.

      A raw average is seldom of any value when trying to judge the reality of a situation.

    7. Rumbold — on 26th August, 2008 at 9:05 pm  


      That is disgraceful. Any updates?


      I agree that comparing like for like is difficult, but where do the people complaining about low pay in the public sector get their information from?

    8. Don — on 26th August, 2008 at 9:12 pm  

      Their pay slips?

    9. Rumbold — on 26th August, 2008 at 9:14 pm  

      Certainly not their pension slips.

    10. Sunny — on 26th August, 2008 at 9:44 pm  

      but where do the people complaining about low pay in the public sector

      They’re complaining about the fact that their wages are not even rising along with the rate of inflation. That is the least the govt can offer.

    11. Rumbold — on 26th August, 2008 at 9:58 pm  

      I would be happy to see the lowest paid get rises in line with inflation, so long as they agreed to reform the public sector pension system. And get rid of thousands of non-jobs.

    12. douglas clark — on 26th August, 2008 at 10:07 pm  


      Public Sector Pensions are a bit of a mixed bag. The Civil Service pays about 66% of your final salary for a full 40 years service and it is fully funded by the government, whereas most Local Authority schemes pay about 50% with a lump sum. However this scheme is partly funded by the employee as well as the employer.

      It would perhaps make far more sense if the private sector TUs fought to re-establish final salary schemes in their sector rather than be swept aside by fat cats.

    13. The Common Humanist — on 26th August, 2008 at 11:32 pm  

      I see Rumbolds war against working class people continues apace…..

    14. inders — on 27th August, 2008 at 12:16 am  

      Hang on Rumbold.

      That article says that public sector pay is higher then private sector because of the pensions, not as well as.

    15. modernityblog — on 27th August, 2008 at 3:17 am  


      This page contains updates on the attacks on HP,

      I am asking all bloggers to show their support for HP against this type of attack.

    16. Akela — on 27th August, 2008 at 7:43 am  


      Could you explain what exactly these non jobs are? We hear all about them in the press but I never acctually encounter anyone with one. What proportion of the public sector do they make up?

    17. Rumbold — on 27th August, 2008 at 8:26 pm  

      Pensions, especially confirmed ones, should be counted as pay.

      The Common Humanist:

      It is working class people who are most affected by having to pay high taxes to fund your ideological projects.


      The third job on LG Jobs (I susepct that if I looked further I would find some more):

      1. Communication Manager - Sussex Safer Roads Partnership (SSRP)

      “You will need to manage a budget to deliver the Communications Strategy. You will liaise with the media as well as the public and be expected to write news releases and respond to other correspondence.”

      For over £30,000.

    18. Sunny — on 28th August, 2008 at 1:30 am  

      Rumbold - how is that a non-job exactly? Are you familiar with that org?

      I see Rumbolds war against working class people continues apace…..

      I’m sure he’ll see the light eventually…

    19. Rumbold — on 28th August, 2008 at 10:09 am  

      If you can’t see that a PR job for a local council transport sub-group at +£30,000 is a non-job then there is no hope for you.

    20. douglas clark — on 28th August, 2008 at 10:33 am  


      Buying and selling stocks and shares isn’t a real job either. Yet it pays the posh barrow boys very well indeed. We are shortly going to enter Job Evaluation territory where Posh Spice is compared to a nurse, ooh, err missus!

    21. Rumbold — on 28th August, 2008 at 10:36 am  


      That isn’t your job I linked to was it?

      I agree that most financial jobs are a waste of time as well. It is all smoke and mirrors, without actually any creation. But at least we aren’t taxed to pay for them.

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