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UK gets first Hindu state school

by Al-Hack on 15th November, 2005 at 2:28 am    

The government has quietly approved the first Hindu state school, the Indy reported last week. The primary school will be in Harrow (by 2010), where 20% of the population is Hindu - by far the biggest concentration in the country. Currently there are 6,000 CoE and Catholic schools, 45 Jewish, five Islamic, two Sikh, one Greek Orthodox and one Seventh Day Adventist school.

Ramesh Kallidai from the Hindu Forum, who has an aversion to historical stamps, said it was the start: “This is the beginning, not the end. Brent, in northwest London has the second highest concentration of Hindus, after which comes the city of Leicester.”

An MP is not happy, neither am I. Are you? Though Hindus deserve one, on numbers, isn’t this all slowly getting out of hand?

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  1. Stuart Evans — on 15th November, 2005 at 2:37 am  

    There should be no religious schools. It’s segregating children at their earliest and most influential age. This also includes Catholic and C of E only schools.
    It is illegal to have a Hindu or Christian only business or building, so why are single religion only schools still allowed?

  2. SKye-Vee — on 15th November, 2005 at 2:49 am  

    I’m against all faith schools. The various faiths need to be taught. I’m all for religious awareness. However the fundamentals should be taught by parents.

    Parents these days are shifting their responsibilities. Rather than look after their children send em to a child minder. Sex ed, we’ll let the school handle that. P.E. school again don’t have time to play with them. Now religion.

    These days where both parents work. Their combined income isn’t often enough to support a family. As a result, they have to work harder. I can understand why they act this way. Some simply don’t have the time.

    Shouldn’t parents impart some knowledge, some morals to their kids? Instead of leaving it to others. In teaching their children, they will learn themselves.

    Religion is a personal and family orientated subject. Should be kept that way.

  3. Bikhair — on 15th November, 2005 at 3:32 am  

    SKye-Vee ,

    I agree with you up until a point. We Americans love our faith based schools. I am starting to undetrstand the great differences between the Yanks and the Euros. Anyway I do believe parents should take a more active role in thier childrens lives and not have the state do and teach everything but I believe in faith based schools that should be “monitored” by the state in that the educational standards should be the same and children should be given standardized testing.

    Peace in the dunyah yall…

  4. Robert — on 15th November, 2005 at 4:11 am  

    While Christian faith schools still exist in this country, the government can hardly object to other faiths setting up there own schools.

    Bikhair - Surely the point of such schools is that they quite deliberately teach something different to secular schools and schools of other faiths. That is their raison d’etre. Therefore, any standardised testing would be meaningless. With the recent arguments over the teaching of evolution and intelligent design in the USA, you will be aware that not even the sciences are safe from interference.

  5. Robert — on 15th November, 2005 at 4:15 am  

    Just a thought - There are plenty of stories around about parents who want to send their kids to the Catholic school in their area, because their test scores are so much higher. So the parents ‘fake’ catholicism for a few months in order to ensure their kids are accepted.

    Will that happen with this new establishment in Harrow?

  6. susano — on 15th November, 2005 at 7:51 am  

    There are no public/government schools that are faith based in the United States. Those all fall into the realm of private (no tax money, tuition only).

  7. Neel — on 15th November, 2005 at 10:04 am  

    I think all faith based schools should be private but unless that is the case then there is no reason why a Hindu based school should not be allowed as other faiths are quite clearly represented. Hindus have formed a strong part of the UK economy and punch well above their weight in economic terms so I see no reason why they should be denied a school in an area where they form a major part of the population.

  8. Siddhartha — on 15th November, 2005 at 11:51 am  

    Neel, agreed.

  9. pregethwr — on 15th November, 2005 at 12:40 pm  

    In 1945 when the Govenrment took a lot of schools from the private sector into public ownership - most of these came from the CoE and the Catholic Church and came on the proviso that they remained faith-based.

    No Govenrment has ever had the guts to challenege this, even though now the amount of money coming from the faiths is very low (5%) of the school budgets.

  10. Jeet — on 15th November, 2005 at 3:03 pm  

    I am against all faith schools but this is inevitable. We have our Muslims hardliners who dont want their children to mix with infidels, we have our Sikh hardliners who dont want their children to mix with non GurSikhs, now we have our Hindu hardliners who dont want their children to mix with the mlechha.

    This is the rise of communalism.

    Welcome to Britain 2005.

  11. squared — on 15th November, 2005 at 5:02 pm  

    I’m not happy about faith schools in general, but you can’t jump on this one. All the other faith schools are still about, and until it becomes a one-for-all rule, schools like this are free to open.

    I’m surprised this is the first one - in comparison to the 6000 catholic schools, this is a drop in a pool of water.

    Is the Swaminaryan school private then?

  12. nukh — on 15th November, 2005 at 10:36 pm  

    despite my avowed aversion to all things religious.
    for obvious reasons, one being that hinduism is a considerably lesser evil when it comes to religion.
    so i [as should you] am willing to make an exception in this case. one can predict with a certain probability that the “hindu” school, given the performance of children who hail from middle or upper middle calss hindu families, will produce excellent results. and in the long run contribute dispropartionately to the development of england and europe.
    please consider my argument on merit only.
    heck they should start hindu an english institute of technology too……
    p.s. i was born into an indian muslim family. however,i renounced my faith after reading the koran for the first time….

  13. The Don — on 15th November, 2005 at 11:11 pm  

    I agree with the concensus; that faith schools are undesirable, but unavoidable. As a secularist, it is depressing to admit that the least worst option is for the state to support regulated faith schools.

    Blair is an advocate of faith schools, but more importantly there are enough supporters to ensure that, if the state does not provide, then someone else will. And that someone will have an agenda, whether it is cultural seperatism or anti-rational creationism or any damn thing else.

    And then there is home-schooling.

    Unfortunately, I see no sign of government committment to ensuring that these schools are properly supervised. This is an important topic, long-term. Glad you raised it.

  14. Siddharth — on 16th November, 2005 at 1:41 am  

    squared, agreed.

  15. susano — on 16th November, 2005 at 2:17 am  

    Isn’t this approach to multiculturalism exactly what leads to segregation? I’m not taking a position on what is right, just pondering. It seems that the UK holds itself up above the rest of the world with it’s great model of everyone getting along, yet here is evidence that people choose to be seperate.

  16. Sunny — on 16th November, 2005 at 2:51 am  

    one being that hinduism is a considerably lesser evil when it comes to religion.

    Nukh - interesting sentiment. Why do you say that?

  17. shihab — on 16th November, 2005 at 3:04 am  

    Hinduism, from what little understanding my religion loathing brain can decipher, is one of the few religions that doesn’t raise its followers based on fear and guilt. If I’m right, and I rarely am, it teaches you to be a good person rather than point out everyone else is going to hell. I’ve never met a devout hindu that pissed me off with their beliefs.

  18. Sunny — on 16th November, 2005 at 3:20 am  

    I’ve never met a devout hindu that pissed me off with their beliefs.

    The part before this may be true, but the italicised bit isn’t for me. But let’s not make this into a religious comparing contest please.

  19. shihab — on 16th November, 2005 at 3:51 am  

    Oh go on let’s. It’s always been my dream to pick a fight with a buddhist

  20. SajiniW — on 16th November, 2005 at 11:16 am  

    I’ll wrestle you in jelly Shabs. Seville orange-flavoured, if that’s ok with you ;)

    I’m against faith-schools, for reasons of separation. However, since parents want their kids to do well, and faith schools are the best non-selective schools in this country, it’s only fair cop to let the Hindus have one too. They contribute enough to the economy and wellbeing of Britain as we know it.

  21. shihab — on 16th November, 2005 at 11:53 am  

    that’s. ok. with. me.

  22. squared — on 16th November, 2005 at 12:33 pm  

    I’ve never met a devout hindu that pissed me off with their beliefs.

    Heh, you haven’t seen some of the threads on barfi, have you?

    Although I wouldn’t call them devout hindus. More brainwashed monkeys of brown culture.

    They may be more subtle about it, but some hindus also exhibit the “we’re better than you” attitude. No religious organisation is ever free from those quacks.

  23. shihab — on 16th November, 2005 at 1:12 pm  

    you can read barfi-speak? wow. I got as far as wzzzzupp isssit wagwaaaan and it paralysed my brain for three whole days

  24. Rohin — on 16th November, 2005 at 5:54 pm  

    Sajini, you’ve fallen prey to the faith school propaganda. They ARE selective. In fact they fare WORSE than average if compared to secular schools with the same selection criteria.

    Got to run - but here is something I wrote recently about faith schools.

  25. janardan — on 20th November, 2005 at 8:25 am  

    Gee whiz - one Hindu faith school makes everyone hot under the collar. There are 6000 Chirstian faith schools, 100 Muslim schools, 60 Jewish schools and one Sikh school in this country already in existence. Cant they be made secular before the Hindu school is secularised? At the end of the day it is a matter of choice and fair-play. If a Christian parent can choose to send their kids to a school of their faith, surely Hindu parents should have the same choice? Either everyone should have the choice or no one should.

  26. Ramiie — on 20th November, 2005 at 9:56 pm  

    Why should christian tax payers money be diverted to support non-christian schools? This is multicultural cringe gone mad! As a black non practising christian, I can see the value of faith schools, but must they be supported on the rates(sic)? Its things like that that reminds me that this country is being led by a coterie of corrupt, bought, compromised jerks who would soon say yes to a mosque or temple built as an extension on Buck House.

    No offence meant..and hope none taken

  27. Sunny — on 20th November, 2005 at 10:02 pm  

    Ramiie - A bit bizarre standpoint. Hindus and Sikhs pay taxes too. Not only that, we contribute more to the economy than we take in, according to an IPPR report. So let’s not get too ahead of ourselves with this “multiculturalism gone bad” bollocks.

  28. Ramiie — on 11th February, 2006 at 6:39 pm  

    Down the centuries, Black Africans have not only been the main creators of England`s wealth, but also of Europe, not to mention that of North and South America. If in the last thirty years, a large swathe of second generation UK blacks have fallen below the economic achievement bar as a result of information poverty, financial exclusion and other crude racialist career stops, that doesn`t detract from the fact that its the vast number of raw materials owned by our race, our labour and regretably our political deficiencies that has benefited all caucasians (including you - after all asians are caucasians too, if you didn`t know, my friend.)

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