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    Idiot sets himself on fire

    by Sunny on 12th November, 2005 at 4:12 pm    

    The New York Daily News reports of 48 year old Karnail Singh being seriously burnt in an incident in late October. And how?

    Singh sparked the Ozone Park fire by dumping a flammable liquid on the basement stairs and igniting it because he was furious Kaur wasn’t sending money to his son in India, fire officials said.

    Singh also accused her of seeing other men, court papers show. … [He] mistakenly set himself on fire and tore off some of his singed clothes as he fled, said Acting Assistant Chief Fire Marshal Robert Byrnes.

    Too bad he got away. [Via Sepia Mutiny]. This comes not long after another idiot, Chomir Ali, bullied his sons into stabbing his daughter’s lover Arash Ghorbani-Zarin 46 times to vindicate “the family honour” because he made her pregnant by mistake.

    The jury at Oxford Crown Court was told how Muji Rahman was a swaggering bully who, while condemning his sister’s behaviour for flouting the family’s strict Muslim code, had had sex before marriage, drank alcohol and rarely bothered to go to the mosque. After the killing in November last year he went out clubbing with friends in Oxford city centre.

    Chomir Ali, who was out delivering takeaway meals while his sons carried out the murder, was arrested after his botched attempt to get rid of the knife and the killers’ bloodstained clothes.

    All three were jailed for life, and rightly so.

    Before anyone says these are one-off problems, consider this: The UN estimates that annuallly around 5,000 women are killed in honor killings. Indian police say that every year they receive more than 2,500 reports of bride burning. It would be no exaggeration to say that India, Pakistan and Bangladesh dominate the UN figures.

    We have a lot to be proud of, eh?

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    1. Rohin — on 12th November, 2005 at 4:22 pm  

      Instant Karma.

      No, don’t worry I’m not going to start singing Musu Musu.

      Actually, at the very moment you posted this Sunny, I was writing something in the SM thread about it - about this astonishing site, which shows that there are legions of Asians completely willing to ignore anything like this happening.

      What’s more worrying to me as a British Asian is that there seem to be quite a few honour killings/maimings happening right here. Absolutely fucking unbelievable. I think I was a feminist in a past life, this stuff and the endless dumping of shit on women across the subcontinent outrages me more than most things.

    2. Sunny — on 12th November, 2005 at 4:41 pm  

      OMG! I can’t believe the stupidity of people on that website. It has to be a parody. It has to be. Or they must be Bihari.

      I think I was a feminist in a past life, this stuff and the endless dumping of shit on women across the subcontinent outrages me more than most things.
      Lol, me too! I have a theory about this, and if you’re coming tonight, will tell you about it.

    3. Rohin — on 12th November, 2005 at 4:48 pm  

      What’s happening tonight? I’ve been nominated for a National Student Journalism Award tonight - so that’s where I’m going! Ah it’s so nice of you to provide an opportunity for me to show off about that without it looking obvious. Thank you my feminist brother. Remember that episode with the Duff advert with ‘all those annoying feminists’? Classic!

      I think that site is for real. His name’s Victor - could be Christian, but they’re generally less West-hating. Bihar is tragic. I have spent a fair amount of time there, in Bodhgaya and Gaya (Bodhgaya is where Buddha meditated for 7 years and reached enlightenment). Bihar used to be one India’s most advanced areas and Patna was a world city. Now it’s a goddamn joke. Eugh.

    4. Sunny — on 12th November, 2005 at 5:02 pm  

      Lol, I know. The state has become a joke within India. Considering it gave birth to so many intelligent people, it’s a shame really.

      Tonight is the Asiana earthquake charity ball. Hey, good luck with that award thingy!! Hope you gets it, then we’ll have an excuse to put your ugly mug on AIM ;)

    5. susano — on 12th November, 2005 at 5:26 pm  

      “Suicide rates among Asian women aged 16 to 24 are nearly three times the national average, and double for 25 to 35-year olds”

      How very tragic. I cannot imagine growing up in such fear.

      How bizarre that the older brother (in the second article) had a sex change operation! How does a fundamentalist wackjob like the father deal with THAT? I guess the saving grace for the son was that he became a man?

    6. Sunny — on 12th November, 2005 at 5:42 pm  

      had a sex change? Eh? Where did you read that?

      The Observer article also states: In November 2003 Ms Begum, who had been removed from school by her father and had her mobile telephone confiscated, slit her right wrist.

      Following the apparent suicide bid, the family refused to answer the door to paramedics, but instead pushed their daughter outside of the house, causing her to fall over.

      This also annoys me. The Paramedics should have instantly told social services who should have intervened. This whole reluctance over dealing “cultural” issues also annoys me.

    7. susano — on 12th November, 2005 at 5:50 pm  

      Oh, jeeeez! I haven’t had any coffee yet, LOL. I read “had had sex before marriage” as had had sex change. I do not know how I got that, Sunny. Too much aluminum, I guess.

      Anyway, what did those paramedics do? They should have called the cops, who should have charged the family with battery.

    8. Bikhair — on 12th November, 2005 at 7:23 pm  


      I completely agree with you. The evil that is perpetuated on the female servants is a shame, a great shame. But this is a direct result of ignorance on the part of Muslims. Ignorance of the Quran, the Sunnah, the Sharia, the Prophet Muhammed (sallalahu alaihi wa salam).

      Could you imagine Allah’s Messenger commiting these kinds of evil against Kahdeejah (radiyallahu anhu) Aisha (radiyallahu anhu) or Fatima (radiyallahu anhu)? Its absolutely unthinkable and the worst part is is that jahiliyah is masquerading around as Islam.

      Extremism and ignorance will do the worst damage.

    9. j0nz — on 12th November, 2005 at 7:27 pm  

      Extremism and ignorance will do the worst damage.

      What’s that stink? Oh the stench of hypocrisy! You Go girl! Stoned anyone lately?!


    10. susano — on 12th November, 2005 at 8:25 pm  

      I think the lady speakes with a forked tongue, my native American friends would say.

    11. j0nz — on 12th November, 2005 at 9:30 pm  

      I think she might have a tail & horns aswell…

    12. raz — on 12th November, 2005 at 10:11 pm  

      Honour killings are a despicable blight on the South Asian community. India, Pakistan or Bangladesh - Muslim, Hindu or Sikh - we must confront this menace. As far as the prevelance in the UK goes, its estimated about 12 or so of these murders happen every year. Not endemic (although some of the media would have you believe otherwise), but still 12 too many.

    13. Bikhair — on 13th November, 2005 at 6:11 am  


      This isnt spoken about much but there was a similar issue during the time of Prophet Muhammed (sallalahi alaihi wa salam). These Arabs, I am not sure if they were Muslim or pagan, accused Aisha (radiyallahu anhu) of commiting zina. Stupid Arabs.

      Anyway it was later revealed that whoever accuses a chaste witness without proof or witness is to be flogged and shamed. There are some exceptions to this but you will have to refer to a scholar. Not those since September 11 scholar for dollars but a real scholar. LOL.

    14. Rohin — on 13th November, 2005 at 12:03 pm  

      “Stupid Arabs.”

      Tut tut. Should a Muslim really be saying that?

    15. Sajn — on 13th November, 2005 at 12:54 pm  

      Raz it is worth pointing out that “honour” killings are not exclusive to the sub-continent. They happen in one shape or another all over the world.

    16. Sunny — on 13th November, 2005 at 2:29 pm  

      Tut tut. Should a Muslim really be saying that?
      Well, Arabs can be of any religion :)

      How did the journalism award go?

    17. Bikhair — on 13th November, 2005 at 3:40 pm  


      Prophet Muhammed (sallalahu alaihi wa salam) says some very terrible things about the Arabs, he also says some good things about thier character, and thier manners which has been lost in these days.

    18. Rohin — on 13th November, 2005 at 4:21 pm  

      Damn, I made a mistake and I’ve lost the ability to edit my own comments! Anyway, that was supposed to say:

      Sunny, I’m glad you asked…

      WE WON!

    19. Sunny — on 13th November, 2005 at 4:42 pm  

      Send me a comment and some pics by email then you slag! This deserves something!

    20. The Don — on 13th November, 2005 at 4:57 pm  


    21. Rohin — on 13th November, 2005 at 5:52 pm  

      Cheers Don :)

    22. ayesha — on 14th November, 2005 at 4:27 am  

      South America has a huge problem with honor killings as well…..it’s sad to see so much attention going to the subcontinent, while the hispanic community is ignored altogether…I am all for pointing out our problems, but we aren’t alone, whole world got issues;especially honor killings. darn i think South American and some middle eastern countries contribute as heavily as us to the numbers of UN, if not more.

    23. fotzepolitic — on 14th November, 2005 at 11:40 pm  

      Rohin, my feminist friend, I interned at a feminist org for a semester my senior year of college, and the statistics of women IN GENERAL being assaulted and murdered by men (husbands, boyfriends, former partners, etc) is depressing. In the west there also seems to be quite a trend of men slaughtering the woman AND their kids, and then killing themselves. I agree, why do men all over the world spend so much of their energy trying to repress women?

      On a side note, recently I was at a university on a panel discussion about a documentary I edited, about a minority Muslim community (not in the UK) and their controversial practices during one part of the year. The yoof, all in beards and caps and robes, freaked out on the Muslim director, saying that he had a “responsibility not to portray Muslims in a negative light post-7/7.” He was like, “I merely documented it as an ethnographic film, if you disagree with what they’re doing, take it up with them. Why must Muslims always hide everything for fear of some imagined white response, rather than dealing with it ourselves with open debate and critical thinking?” I think it went over their heads entirely, their instincts were purely censorious. Same with honor killings, I presume.

    24. Sunny — on 15th November, 2005 at 12:16 am  

      He was like, “I merely documented it as an ethnographic film, if you disagree with what they’re doing, take it up with them.

      Good on him. There is too much censorship in our community IMO.

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