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  • Tories invite Khalistani politics

    by Sunny
    10th July, 2007 at 9:15 am    

    Yesterday I broke the news that Councillor Gurcharan Singh and his crew had decided to defect to the Conservative party because they were denied a chance in the Southall Labour leadership election.

    What I didn’t point out was that GS has been fairly active in the Sikh separatist movement (Khalistani) through front organisations. Unity at Ministry of Truth has a comprehensive post detailing all this (scroll half-way down, the first bit is about Tory bloggers trying to attack me). Chris Paul also has a bit more. I expect more dirt will keep turning up in the coming days or even weeks, after which David Cameron may end up regretting his triumphant press conference yesterday.

    Update: Another councillor in Southall defects to the Tories. And while one Tory activist is caught bragging about nicking leaflets, their campaign manager is busy pretending to be a LibDem on YouTube. What a funny election!

    Leon’s update: This is getting odder and odder, apparently Cllr Noori hasn’t defected and is not very pleased that Iain Dale has said otherwise:

    Councillor Noori is not happy about Iain Dale’s slur. Lawyers are being consulted. Here’s the statement she has just asked to be issued on her behalf:

    “I joined the Labour Party to serve my community. That remains the case….. I have not resigned my membership and will not be joining the Conservatives.

    “Tomorrow I will be leading campaigning for Labour’s victory on July 19th. I hope to see you on the campaign trail too!” [Via Tom Watson]

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    1. Pickled Politics » More Ealing Southall fun and games

      [...] had made a mistake by getting Gurcharan Singh to defect to them because he brought his divisive factionalism and Khalistani politics with him. It was actually better for Labour that he [...]

    2. Southall By-Election Nears « Find Everything About Everything

      [...] liberals such as Sunny Hundal and his cronies accusing pretty much every Sikh involved of being a theocratic monster whose ultimate goal is the establishment of a Sikh [...]

    1. Cougar — on 10th July, 2007 at 11:27 am  


      Have you seen that a SIXTH Labour Cllr has defected to the Tories this morning?

    2. Leon — on 10th July, 2007 at 11:44 am  

      Because the lads at Harry’s Place got in first…

      Don’t waste your breath the guy is banned and will continue to have his comments deleted (btw PP wasn’t around at the time of the 2005 election!).

    3. Praguetory — on 10th July, 2007 at 12:22 pm  

      No Tory bloggers have been trying to attack you - although both this and your original post are breath-takingly biased. You are still acting as judge and jury on the motives of the 6 (and counting?).

      If these defectors are so terrible (now all 6 councillors for the areas of Southall Broadway and Lady Margaret), isn’t it an indictment on Labour who have allowed them to serve as Labour politicians?

      For the record, can you please list which other local Labour defections would be good news for Labour just so we’re clear of your position before the news breaks? And whilst you’re at it, you might want to reveal the names of other British Sikh politicians in the Labour party who you hold in the same contempt.

    4. Sukhi — on 10th July, 2007 at 12:28 pm  

      It is noticeable, and very telling, that supporters of Khalistan resort to personal abuse, slander and name calling when faced with scrutiny of their agendas.

      The Tories are just ignorant of whom they are dealing with. They will not win, Labour in Southall / Ealing has purged itself by the self expulsion of this rump. All round, a good show.

    5. Sukhi — on 10th July, 2007 at 1:00 pm  

      There is a very innacurate perception that this constituency is a Sikh majority area. Whilst in the town of Southall this might be so, in the constituency as a whole, Sikhs are a minority. Here are the demographics of Southall Ealing:


      2001 Census Demographics
      Total 2001 Population: 89275
      Male: 49.7%
      Female: 50.3%
      Under 18: 24.8%
      Over 60: 14%
      Born outside UK: 43.4%
      White: 37.6%
      Black: 8.9%
      Asian: 47.8%
      Mixed: 2.8%
      Other: 2.9%
      Christian: 35%
      Hindu: 12.4%
      Muslim: 13.3%
      Sikh: 23.2%


      In other words, almost 80% of the constituency is actually non Sikh, and by a small majority, non Asian.

      This throws interesting light on those who say that the MP for this constituency can only come from one community.

    6. sonia — on 10th July, 2007 at 1:00 pm  

      im intrigued we’re not talking about the chaos + violence in pakistan right now?

    7. Sukhi — on 10th July, 2007 at 1:06 pm  

      When activists pushing the agenda of religious nationalism, resorting to racist slander and communalist trouble making to ensure a candidate of their ideological background can be selected, one wonders how such a candidate could ever hope to truthfully represent the people of Southall Ealing, one of the most multi-racial, multi-religious constituencies in the whole UK. This is sectarian politics at its very worst and at its most ugly.

    8. Sukhi — on 10th July, 2007 at 1:36 pm  

      And the manner with which certain media and individuals and organisations have attempted to spin this out in communalist terms is truly base and repulsive.

    9. BevanKieran — on 10th July, 2007 at 10:34 pm  

      Fascinating and slightly bonkers election going on there in Southall (speaking as an observer from serene Hounslow) the Tooty Nuns and Holy Smokes have a preferred candidate?

    10. KSingh — on 11th July, 2007 at 7:21 am  

      The under represented massess are making their mark , they are fed up with Indian pseudo communists being imposed on them. More Khalistani Muslims and Hindus are joining the Tories today.Sikh issues such as human rights, discrimination against religious Sikhs which were always attcked by India’s agents as being fanatical and terrorist are being discussed openly for the first time.

    11. Neet — on 11th July, 2007 at 1:33 pm  

      Are you serious? What makes you think that a right wing party such as the Tories are going to want to assist with tackling human rights violations? I think it is naive to think the Tories want anything apart form your vote. Look at how Cameron tries to seem all-inclusive and presents a ‘so-called’ changed party, while the rest of his party are happy to put on a facade but deep down still the same. Look at the grammar school fiasco. Wake up the Tories never changed.

    12. Jagdeep — on 11th July, 2007 at 3:49 pm  

      More Khalistani Muslims and Hindus are joining the Tories today.

      This is hilarious! Have you take your tablets lately? Last time I checked, the friendly local neighbourhood Khalistanis were wetting their pants with their hatred for Hindus and Muslims, the slobbering and spluttering bigots. I’m so glad those fanatics have run away from the Labour party — straight to the Tories, as if they could give a flying burp for any of that stuff.

    13. Neet — on 11th July, 2007 at 4:28 pm  

      Easy there Jagdeep, since when did self-determination translate into ‘slobbering and spluttering bigots’. Most Khalistanis have issues with the Indian government and not the general public of India. Aside from that your quite right about the Tories not giving a flying f**k about these kind of issues.

    14. Jagdeep — on 11th July, 2007 at 4:33 pm  

      Really Neet? I must be meeting the wrong Khalistanis. Almost every single one of them I’ve spoken to and known, after scratching the surface is a far right ring bitter and twisted bigot with a very high tolerance for extremist thought and rhetoric, and majorly into demonisation of Hindus and Muslims and dissenting Sikhs. Its one thing to support Human Rights in Punjab, and quite another to cleave to a dark ideology predicated on narrow backwards theocracy.

      Either way, this by election has really dredged them up from the surface, and shown them for what they are. Which is good.

    15. Jagdeep — on 11th July, 2007 at 4:34 pm  

      And shown them for the irrelevant communalists they are. We’re living in Britain in the 21st Century for goodness sake.

    16. Neet — on 11th July, 2007 at 5:01 pm  

      Jagdeep I guess your right; you are meeting the wrong Khalistanis.

      You say that it is one thing to support human rights in Punjab but quite another to support Khalistan… so how else can a person (i.e. me!) actively support human rights issues in Punjab without the need for self-determination?

    17. Jagdeep — on 11th July, 2007 at 5:26 pm  

      Well it’s quite easy Neet — support Human Rights through agencies like Amnesty and HRW. What does Self determination on the basis of a theocratic megalomania in a land in which there is no desire for a theocratic state which is predicated on ethnic separatism in a land wracked by issues with nothing to do with the dreams of preserving a pristine form of religion through a hyper nationalism have to do with Human Rights? Human Rights now are about poverty stricken farmer, oppressed women, Dalits being raped and brutalised by Jatt landlords, babies being aborted on a gender basis. Don’t be sold the puppy by the ideologues that a magic wand of ethnic cleansing nationalism will solve all this.

      And by the way, you are either incredibly naive or disingenuous if you’re expressing surprise at my characterisation of Khalistanis as being riddled with theocrats, extremists, bigots and fanatics. That’s what I mean by a very high tolerance level for extremism — you just don’t see it.

      Anyway, I can’t be bothered wasting typing time discussing pipedreams and cheese and onion crisps nationalism.

    18. KSingh — on 11th July, 2007 at 6:25 pm  

      Its great this election so many people have heard how Sikhs have suffered in India and a lot of senior politicians have become aware of this.Labour Ministers have dropped the Asian thing and are talking ‘Southall’s Great Sikh community’. All the anti Sikh mafia are growing desperate by the hour.

      The Sikhs had an independent state until 1849 until the British annexed, why should it not be restored? Why is a Bristish colonial model of India defended by these so called anti colonialists.In fact their wer 500 independent states in the Indian sub continent before Britain arrived.Of course the self haters are not aware of this as in there Stalanist, bigotted world.

    19. Bal Singh — on 11th July, 2007 at 6:52 pm  

      I see the Tories have got an ad up here - classic !

    20. Neet — on 11th July, 2007 at 7:32 pm  

      I am already a paid and fully subscribed member of AI. I just think that Khalistanis are stereotyped, without the issue being debated on the strength of argument or potential, via petty name calling and scaremongering (i.e. extremist, fanatics). In regards to your point regarding ethnic cleansing; I think the Indian government is the guilty party to blame on that one. Anyhow clearly we are coming from very different perspectives on this so nor will I bother to press on.

    21. KSingh — on 11th July, 2007 at 8:18 pm  


      The scaremongering by the anti self determination crew is doing nothing for their cause. Following their logic all the Scottish and Welsh nationalist should be rounded up and shot.

    22. Anil Sharma — on 12th July, 2007 at 7:25 am  

      Below is an article from today’s Guardian about the UK Govt. trying to reverse the judgment in the case of Karamjit Singh Chahal.

      Chahal was a friend and close associate of no other than Dr Rai who was heavily involved in the original case in Strasbourg from an Sikh Human Rights Group (SHRG) and ISYF perspective. He should go back to defending the Chahal decision and stop wasting his time in politics - people in Southall suggest he will lose his deposit and will be lucky if he picks up a thousand votes.

      But then again he wants to show he has changed his colours - he regularly travels to India (incidentally after the ISYF ban) and is one of the two Sikh advisers to the UK Govt. All very strange considering his past activities. Rest assured he will be staying clear of challenging the UK/Indian Govts. (he needs to keep them pleased as they provide him funds/freedoms) in the Chahal case.

      UK challenges Strasbourg ban

      Clare Dyer and Alan Travis
      Thursday July 12, 2007
      The Guardian

      Britain launched an attempt at the European court of human rights yesterday to overturn an 11-year-old judgment by the court which bans the deportation of suspected terrorists to countries where they face a risk of torture or degrading treatment.

      The government has been trying for two years to find a way of challenging the Strasbourg court’s judgment in the 1996 Chahal case, which has frustrated its attempts to expel suspects to such countries as Tunisia and Algeria.

      It was given permission to intervene in a case brought against the Netherlands by Mohammed Ramzy, a 22-year-old Algerian terror suspect, but that case has been held up by procedural delays.

      However, yesterday the court’s grand chamber of 17 judges heard Britain’s arguments when it intervened in another case, brought against the Italian government by Nassim Saadi, 23, a suspected terrorist and brother of a suicide bomber. He was convicted of criminal conspiracy in Italy and given a 20-year sentence by a Tunisian military court in his absence for belonging to a terrorist organisation abroad and incitement to terrorism.

      Italy obtained diplomatic assurances from Tunisia that he would not be tortured and could reopen the criminal case against him, but his lawyer, Sandro Clementi, told the court yesterday that it had strong evidence that torture was “a daily practice” in Tunisia.

      Britain hopes to persuade the court to reconsider its judgment in the case of Karamjit Singh Chahal, a Sikh militant who successfully argued that he should not be sent back to India because he would face a real risk of inhumane treatment.

    23. KSingh — on 12th July, 2007 at 7:44 am  

      Sonika Nirwal in the Ealing Times said that the ‘Labour Old Guard’ which includes Mr Sharma should make way for her, not a ringing endorsement is it.

    24. Neet — on 12th July, 2007 at 3:02 pm  


      Maybe you have a point in regards to issue raised in 21.

      My folks have just brought the Punjab Times paper, both Sharma and Rai have pretty good ads in there listing there goals and vision. Lit’s one is comical, it just says;
      “Cameron is supporting Lit for the Southall election”.

      Who else would Cameron support-doh!
      Plus it is in a Punjabi newspaper but the ad has no Punjabi at all. What a numpty.

    25. Neet — on 12th July, 2007 at 4:15 pm  

      Also check this out-

      Classic-George Osbourne didn’t know who Tony Lit was but was walking right next to him!

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