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  • Rise in hate crimes in Britain

    by Rumbold
    1st December, 2010 at 9:49 am    

    The Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) has reported rise in hate crimes in Britain:

    Yesterday’s figures show that the levels of hate crime in Britain are worse than were previously thought. The 52,028 incidents recorded by police forces in England and Wales in 2009 is a 12 per cent increase on the 46,300 said to have occurred in 2008. In 2009 there were 43,426 race-related hate crimes recorded by police forces in England and Wales. This is a 10 per cent increase on the 39,300 estimated to have taken place in 2008. Crimes committed due to the victim’s sexuality increased by 12 per cent, from 4,300 to 4,805. The biggest rise was seen in crimes motivated by a person’s disability. They rose from an estimated 800 to 1,402 – a 75 per cent rise.

    Assessing the true level of such crimes is always difficult. This methodology has only been used since 2008, and this only records crimes which have been reported. Sometimes a rise can reflect a greater willingness of victims to come forward, or a greater awareness that such things should be reported as hate crimes. Despite all these caveats though, this report still paints a depressing picture. There have been some horrific hate crimes attacks in the last year highlighted by the press, but this report makes it clear that those stories were only the tip of the iceberg.

    The question often asked about hate crimes is why are seen as any worse then other crimes? A broken nose is a broken nose whether it has been broken because the victim is brown or because he spilled a drink on someone. The reason for recording hate crimes as such is to try and tackle the elements which leads to such attacks, whether it is racism, disabilism, sexism or another -ism. This may come in the form of trying to change attitudes, or improving protection for vulnerable groups (so more support for people with learning difficulties for example).

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    1. RezaV — on 1st December, 2010 at 11:12 am  

      ‘Hate crimes’ are bound to increase as society becomes more ‘diverse’. The more ‘diverse’ a society, the more unequal it is. And the more polarised it becomes. It’s that simple. Wherever you look, anywhere in the world, you will see that this fact as glaring and undisputable.

      What’s more, we should remember that ‘hate crime’ is not a ‘white’ monopoly. Far from it.

      Imagine if, for decades, gangs of exclusively white men were targeting, grooming, pimping-out and raping young, underage and exclusively ‘brown’ or ‘black’ girls.

      It would create a roar of outrage that would blow off the roof of the f*cking United Nations!

      Not so when it’s the other way round. Then it is hushed-up, for years out of timidness and so-called ‘cultural sensitivity’.

      Leaving vile organisations like the BNP appearing as the lone-voices ‘championing the truth’.


      Ask yourselves, what is the worse of ‘hate crimes’, a Scots drunk pulling off a woman’s hejab or this:-

      The case of Pakistani men grooming young white girls – part 2
      by Sunny
      20th September, 2005 at 5:37 pm


    2. Cynical/Realist? — on 1st December, 2010 at 11:33 am  

      @1 I doubt anyone would answer the question on your comment (which is worse…) the ‘wrong’ way.


      1) You’ve picked a ‘low level’ white hate crime there. We all know there are white hate crimes that easilly match the example you gave. (Obviously vise versa we all know there is plenty non-white low level hate crime too).

      2) The media often [I believe] pick up on the stories such as you’ve mentioned not because they want to attack the Scot pulling off a hijab, but because they know what their readers reaction will be (especially when they write the story in a leading way). Its a nice back door way of these papers getting in a story about Muslims. The undertone is usually very much that the Scot is a national hero for protecting the woman against Muslim repression, not a nasty racist unable to allow people to dress as they choose.

      This isn’t to say that I don’t agree with you (in some parts) about hate crime being in all communities, nor that IF police/others refuse to tackle this out of fear of the resulting recriminations thats wrong. But the comparison you made was flawed.

    3. Cynical/Realist? — on 1st December, 2010 at 11:39 am  

      It could also often be said that much of the Media hold off stories about your example (@ 1) for fear of us left-wing limpy-wristed do-goodery political-correctness-gone-madders critising them for choosing a story where non-whites are the perpertrators.

      An argument effectivly countered by the fact your link was to this sites archives.

      I think the vast [VAST!] majority of us are able to criticise these crimes whereever they occur.

      Its always going to be the white hate crimes that attract the most attention because there is likely to always be more of them. Whites are the vast majority, so its always likely the population of fuckwits will outnumber the fuckwits in other demographics!

    4. damon — on 1st December, 2010 at 1:57 pm  

      @1. I think Yasmin Alibhai-Brown nailed that on monday, so no need to go overboard with it.

      As for the category ”hate crime” - it really has to be defined more for it to have any real meaning.
      It was changed after the Macpherson report to mean that almost anything someone thought was a hate crime, was one. Even a third party witness to an incident.

      So a middle class yuppie getting mugged by the local unemployable ne’re-do-wells could feel that there was an element of hate crime in it. A jealous anger perhaps, explaining why, as well as being mugged for his possesions, that they also used unnecessary violence.
      Others might say that was just a crime to acquire property, and should not be called a hate crime.

    5. Kismet Hardy — on 1st December, 2010 at 2:08 pm  

      “Imagine if, for decades, gangs of exclusively white men were targeting, grooming, pimping-out and raping young, underage and exclusively ‘brown’ or ‘black’ girls.”

      What toss. The story you’ve picked out involve a bunch of criminals who are hardly doing it in the name of race or religion

      And like there aren’t thousands of websites and agencies featuring black and asian girls coerced into a life of porn and prostitution by criminals who are very white thank you very much


    6. douglas clark — on 1st December, 2010 at 2:57 pm  

      Reza V,

      You say @ 1:

      ‘Hate crimes’ are bound to increase as society becomes more ‘diverse’. The more ‘diverse’ a society, the more unequal it is. And the more polarised it becomes. It’s that simple. Wherever you look, anywhere in the world, you will see that this fact as glaring and undisputable.

      What do you propose? Barriers or something? I only see idiots trying to justify difference and getting off on the violence they cause. Indeed, I only see them as a tiny sub set of the human condition. Most folk are not wired that way. They can see across ‘communities’ and do not get thrilled by your sort of simplistic analysis.

      What is glaring and indisputable is that these idiots have a fan base, and that that includes you, sir.

      It does not appear to include many readers or writers on this site.

    7. Sofia — on 1st December, 2010 at 3:15 pm  

      Err RezaV I think hate crimes involve issues other than race as explicitly mentioned in the post so no need to talk about ‘cultural sensitivity’..as for hate crime to be an inevitable outcome of diversity, that’s a load of nonsense that people like to use in order to jusfity their own bigoted view of the world.

    8. Bored in Kavanagasau — on 1st December, 2010 at 3:32 pm  

      These “Asian” paedo gangs are dominated by British Pakistani men who are less likely to be a victim of so-called honour killing or disowned by their family for raping white girls as British Pakistani women who marry “out”: I blame the parents for inculcating such a warped sense of values.


      While the gangs involved in grooming youngsters come from all sorts of backgrounds, Emma believes, on the basis of her own experience, that there was something in the culture of second- and third-generation men from the Indian sub-continent that drew them into such activities. “White girls are classed as lower,” she says. “These men class women as lower anyway, but white women are lower still. And in their tradition, girls become women at 12, so perhaps they didn’t think they were doing wrong with me.”

      I think this is a fair comment: the only caveat is that, in Britain anyway, Hindus don’t seem to do gang culture (and paedo gangs are one, possibly inevitable, branch of this culture) as much as Sikhs or anywhere near as much as Muslims. Different matter in India of course.

    9. Sofia — on 1st December, 2010 at 4:32 pm  

      lol @ hindus don’t do gang culture..how old are you cuz i remember wembley and southall in the eighties mate

    10. Bored in Kavanagasau — on 1st December, 2010 at 4:55 pm  

      lol @ hindus don’t do gang culture..how old are you cuz i remember wembley and southall in the eighties mate.

      I’ll repeat, don’t do gang culture as much. You misquote me and then refer back to the 80s, indicating that the presence of such gangs has diminished, so in fact adding weight to what I originally said. I specified Britain because say, we swapped London for Vancouver, then, yes, they would be more likely to be Hindu and Sikh gangs than Muslim ones. Part of it is demographics, which is changing with an increasing number of 1st generation Indian students here, so that the possibility of Hindu gangs springing up is stronger than before. I know Hounslow and Wembley pretty well and, as Indian “students” tend to be joined at the hip in groups of four, I suspect Hindu gangs may well spring up with greater force in the near future.

      Going back to Paedo gangs, you would accept that British Pakistanis dominate them way above and beyond their demographic weight as part of the Asian and quite possibly the Asian Muslim “community”: that areas such a Blackburn see greater incidences of these crimes than Leicester? Can you posit any reason for this?

    11. Don — on 1st December, 2010 at 5:24 pm  

      I can’t seem to find a reasonably reliable site with a good statistical breakdown of hate crimes. Anybody?

      I get the impression that that you are most likely to be a victim of a hate crime (and surely the likelihood of being victimised is one of the key concerns) if you are disabled, gay or jewish. The chances of being attacked because you are a white male heterosexual are minimal.


      Imagine if, for decades, gangs of exclusively white men were targeting, grooming, pimping-out and raping young, underage and exclusively ‘brown’ or ‘black’ girls.

      Sex Tourism? Not an exact match, but hardly blowing the lid off the UN.

    12. Bored in Kavanagasau — on 1st December, 2010 at 6:21 pm  

      Racist murders from 2000 to before 7/7: 36
      Racist murders after 7/7 up to 2010: 28.


      Murders resulting from domestice violence: ~700, 7000 over the decade.

      Honour killings: estimated to be 12 a year, 120 over the decade.



      Islamist killings: 52 people on 7/7. Number of lives threatened by Isoc ex-presidents amount to thousands, mainly airline passengers.

      Islamophobic killings: certainly the Dawood brothers, killed in India by Hindu gangs, but others, particularly the murder of Efram Haque, which the ECRM think-tank have consistently referred to as Islamophobic, despite a strong component of “happy-slapping” and one of the perpretators called Hamza Lysai, are less certain.

      Homophobic killings aren’t counted as far as I know but they seem in the region of 10-20 over the past decade.

      Killings of people with a disability: The numbers killed by abortion, say, for instance babies with Downs syndrome (put at 3 a day, so ~10000 over the decade), I assume vastly out number of people with disability killed as adults for having a disability.

      Although murders are dealt with here, the role of police should include protection people from what might initially or on each subsequent occasion, if treated as isolated instances, seem like low-level harassment which, if left unchecked, as was the case with Fiona Pilkington and her daughter Francecca Hardwick, could result in disastrous consequences.

    13. Bored in Kavanagasau — on 1st December, 2010 at 6:27 pm  

      Also, could well be the case that Hindu parents in the U.K abort babies because of their gender, as is done in India, which is why I am suprised the time you can find out the gender of your child is shorter than the period you can abort.

    14. Don — on 1st December, 2010 at 6:37 pm  

      That wasn’t what I had in mind.

    15. damon — on 1st December, 2010 at 7:43 pm  


      I can’t seem to find a reasonably reliable site with a good statistical breakdown of hate crimes. Anybody?

      I don’t think there will be. Not in the way that you are asked when you want to join the library and are asked to explain your ethnicity in quite a close way for example.

      So the general idea is, that it’s still like that white gang who killed Stephen Lawerence.

      But you only have to do a vague bit of googling to come up with all kinds of challenging stories.
      Like looking up ‘gangs’ like the Woolwich Boys and the T-Block from south east London.

      Knife crime has come down - but you still have stories like this in the newspapers.
      ”London’s now like a knife crime war zone says trauma surgeon”

      And what’s that to do with hate crime some will ask.
      The New Statesman has gone down this sensationalist road it seems.
      And the Guardian too

      Knives rule the playgrounds as inter-racial violence soarsPupils across the country are scared - scared of children from other ethnic backgrounds and of the blades that are now being used with terrifying regularity. Anushka Asthana and Mark Townsend report on the tensions that threaten to turn playgrounds into battlegrounds

      Share Anushka Asthana and Mark Townsend The Observer, Sunday 4 June 2006 Article historyFridays were the most scary. ‘Twenty kids would wait for me at the school gates and beat me up. Once they put me on the floor and stamped on my head. It started when I was 12.’
      A group of Somali boys were sitting outside a cafe on Stratford Road in Birmingham talking about their experience of school. Modqtar, now 17, was beaten up twice a day and picked on for having poor English. The perpetrators were often Asian gangs.


      I think this subject isn’t worth talking about untill there is more clarity about what is actually happening.

    16. An Old Friend — on 1st December, 2010 at 7:56 pm  


      Were those really hate crimes or crimes of opportunity? Where were these girls parents? I mean really, if they are vulnerable, they were going to get hooked up on drugs and eventually be pimped out. Lack of parental supervision.

      It happens to lots of girls especially those who are having problems at home. They are the most susceptible to this type of thing. Its sad you are trying to score some points about Pakistanis while completely missing the bigger issue. Believe this problem of girls getting caught up will get worse because the family, especially among white working class is breaking up.

      I seen this in the black American community too. Once the family is gone, everything else goes. Predators will always be with us be some children are more likely to be victims.

    17. An Old Friend — on 1st December, 2010 at 8:02 pm  

      Bored in Kavanagasou

      I dont do hate crimes because they are more about politics than about justice. How many black boys in UK were killed by other black boys in UK? I am sure a bunch. How many of them suffered bodily injury? Of course no one will pay attention to this because it isnt sexy and people cant get up on their soap box about it. No one can blame multiculturalism, immigration, or anything. But the murders will still be with us. Who is going to speak up for the imperiled lives of black boys in the UK?

    18. An Old Friend — on 1st December, 2010 at 8:35 pm  

      And this is the bullshit I that hate. There is a reason why whites in America DONT like hate crime laws. They are the least likely to be subjected to any crime based on their race in the US. However if they were, they would want to talk about hate crimes all day every day.

      Same shit with South Africa. Lucky Dube, a popular Raggae artist was gunned down for his car in that country. His blackness didnt save him. Why the hell should whites in South Africa get any more pity than anyone else in South African when they are getting a taste of the violence that black South Africans have had to deal with for decades? There was just a report talking about 1 in 3 South African men having admitted to rape or gang rape.

      Maybe in South Africa they should talk about sexist crimes. They will not because most of those victims are black women.

      Crimes only become important when they effect the most special group of a particular population. Fuck the unprincipled hypocrisy of it all.

      Goodnight all.

    19. joe90 — on 1st December, 2010 at 9:48 pm  

      when you have racist mobs like the EDL and other such moronic hate groups on the rise obviously it will boost the hate crime figures even more!

      Government doesn’t seem too bothered about these things.

    20. Papa Foxtrot Tango — on 1st December, 2010 at 10:06 pm  

      There seems to be a general perception afoot that whites are over-represented as the perpetrators of racially- and religiously-aggravated category of ‘hate’ crimes. Unfortunately the official stats don’t seem to support such a contention.

      According to the 2008 Hate Crime Report from the CPS, white British constituted 76% of the defendants in such cases, somewhat lower than their representation in the general population.

      Source: http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/docs/CPS_hate_crime_report_2008.pdf

    21. halima — on 2nd December, 2010 at 2:45 am  

      Statistics are less effective without break down by age, religion, sexual orientation, religion and other categories. If you’re not dis-aggregating, how else would you know who is being affected and how? People experience life and violence differently so better break down would help. People’s vulnerability to hate crime also changes depending on what is happening in a neighbourhood generally, so any one group won’t stay at risk permanently.

    22. RezaV — on 2nd December, 2010 at 9:49 am  

      douglas @ #6

      “What is glaring and indisputable is that these idiots have a fan base, and that that includes you, sir.”

      I’m no fan of the miserable reality we’re in and the inevitable pain we’ll experience.

      It doesn’t please me that ‘diverse’ societies are inherently unequal and that the more ‘diverse’ a society becomes the more unequal it is. And it saddens me to know the inevitable inequality that exists everywhere between differing ethnic, religious or cultural groups does and will always breed ‘hate’ and resentment among significant proportions of their respective members.

      We can try to legislate for this with evermore-draconian ‘hate’ laws. Self-loathing competitive altruists like you can serve as useful idiots to the ethno-centric nepotists who run sites like this and wish to apportion the blame for all of multicultural societies inherent ills on the external ‘white’ majority, whose ancestors were here before theirs.

      On ‘racism’.

      Do you ever watch the news, read books or newspapers? Where is this Utopia where people of all races, religions and cultures hold hands and sing?

      Where in the world can I find a society that isn’t becoming and won’t become more fragmented them more ‘diverse’ it becomes.

      Because believe me douglas, I would dearly like to live in such a place.

      I won’t, absolutely won’t allow idiots on sites like this present an alternate reality that exists only as a left-wing fantasy.

      I suspect that you live in a fairly culturally homogonous part of Scotland. I suspect that other cultural groups represent a very small minority of your local population. And I suspect that you haven’t travelled that much and witnessed first-hand the cultural behaviour and attitudes of the ‘ethnic’ types you put on a pedestal in an example of your well-meaning and ignorant ‘racism’.

      Because if you had you would see that most human folk ARE “wired that way”.

      YOU douglas belong to a cultural group that stands out as probably the most tolerant, altruistic and non-racist in the world.

      You’ll struggle to find YOUR attitude prevalent in India, Pakistan, Turkey, the Middle and Far East or Sub Saharan Africa.

      And you won’t find it to the same extent among the people from those cultures living here.

      The truth is not always ideologically convenient.

    23. RezaV — on 2nd December, 2010 at 10:40 am  

      A point few will consider never mind discuss.

      Ever-increasing ‘diversity’ will inevitably breed ‘hate’ and this ‘hate’ ultimately harms those from ‘ethnic’ minorities.

      When I visited Amsterdam 20 years ago, it was the most liberal, tolerant and safe capital city in the world.

      However 20 years of increasing ‘diversity’ has made it far less so.

      Today, the Amsterdam Tourist Board issues warnings to gay visitors to be careful in the city. It’s become dangerous to be gay in Amstedam!

      I don’t need to spell-out the ethnic and religious background of the ‘youths’ who are almost exclusively responsible for this regressive savagery do I?


      I wonder whether I, with my Middle-Eastern name and appearance, will be treated with the same genuine affection and hospitality I experienced from the Dutch 20 years ago?

      Or will I (or my children) be treated with increased suspicion and seen not as an individual, but as part of the demographic ‘assault’ on that city that is harming it so much?

      I’ve experienced, first-hand, the latter attitude.

      Several years ago, in the South of France, my brother and I were turned away from a restaurant and told that it was “full”. When the waiter heard us speaking English, he called us back. “I’m sorry,” he said, “I thought you were Algerian”.

    24. damon — on 2nd December, 2010 at 12:45 pm  

      I agree with Halima. Particularly this bit:

      People’s vulnerability to hate crime also changes depending on what is happening in a neighbourhood generally, so any one group won’t stay at risk permanently.

      And I don’t agree with Reza and his ‘we’re doomed, we’re doomed’ miserabalist outlook.

      But still, this is an area that has interested me for some years, because it throws up more questions than answers. And the subject can drift outside people’s comfort zone.

      Darcus Howe did a (somewhat sensationalised IMO) documentary in 2004 where he highlighted inter-ethnic tensions on the streets between groups of different young people.

      He got some flack for it, but I thought that one shouldn’t try to ignore it either.
      How much they can be categarised as hate crimes though I’d like clarified.
      Just reading your local paper, will from time to time highlight (for example) fights between groups of Bangladeshi and Somali youths in Tower Hamlets.
      A quick google will show you such stories.
      But whether that can be just put down to youth/gang culture I’m not completely sure about.

      I remember reading about a particularly nasty incident on an estate in Croydon a few years ago, where a group of Kosovan asylum seekers had gone to live there, and quickly fell out with some local tough lads (who were black) - knives were waved about, and pretty soon the Kosovans (who had run off) were being chased around the estate by a couple of car loads of tooled up black youths. An innocent bystander lost an eye that day.

      Things take a more sinister turn when one community, like the Chinese of Paris, become convinced that they are being particularly targeted by street hoodlums.

      But maybe it’s just that the yobs see them as easy pickings, like mugging students is seen as a soft option.
      But if the yobs would mug a Chinese woman before they would do the same to a woman from their own community - then that has to be considered a hate crime I think.

    25. Wibble — on 3rd December, 2010 at 2:36 pm  

      I personally blame those two dusky looking guys in the video. If only they had said something in English, Johnny Foreigner wouldn’t have thought they were part of a demographic assault on England.

      Anyway, after all we did to, I mean for, yes for, those countries, as soon as they get some power they stick it to us!

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