TFI – in that case, stop quacking like a duck and i’ll put the hoisin sauce away.

b’shalom

bananabrain

This fool should know better.

That’s a key question. The one I would like to see asked is something like: ‘what does Sharia mean to you?’

non-religious: ‘nothing’

ultra-liberal: ‘parables and stories that provide wisdom and insight about choices to be made in life’

liberal: ‘a set of rules (e.g. don’t drink alcohol) for an individual to task themselves with following’

conservative: ‘a set of rules governing the personal relations (marriage, parentood, etc.) of muslims’

theonomist: ‘a set of rules for a muslim nation analagous to the legal system in the UK’

theocratic: ‘as above, but with clerics instead of judges and politicians’

radical: ‘a plan that will transform the entire world into something radically different and better than the world today’

terrorist: ‘an excuse to kill you’

The problem with this discussion is it tends strongly to someone from one of those camps saying they are simply and obviously right and that none of the other groups, if they will even admit they exist, count as any kind of Muslim.

Arrrrggggghhhhh!

Circular beliefs are bad, full stop. There is no debate. The religous logic always does come down to “This is the truth because I really FEEL that it must be true”.

Bring back the Enlightenment. Bollocks to ID. Ship the religous waccos off to the moon. After all America hasn’t managed to full digest the last batch we sent over. In fact why are we recieving these exported waccs? Is this some kind of religous wacco revenge being waged on ourselves?

TFI

One obvious question that is missing in this survey: What is the exact definition of shariah or What definition of shariah does the surveyed endorse. IMHO, you can not compare “British law” — a civil code — with “shariah” — a religious code. This is a flawed question in the first place. While immense debating is going on in the Muslim quarter whether shariah is binding even on a “Muslim” society or not how can PEx put the “British law” (note UK is, as we know till date: “Dar al-Harb” not “Dar al-Islam”. By that count shariah is NOT APPLICABLE for the British society) at par with “shariah”. PEx should have done their homework on shariah before throwing in their questions.

Any idea where that quote from Guru Nanak is? I wanted to hopefully check it out. Thanks!

Despite scoring a grade U in chemistry CSE, I reckon I can do better than that. The compound I have invented is a veritable godsend to plumbers everywhere, a glue that sticks firmly even to ceramics, and even underwater, setting in seconds. It’s revolutionary. All I need is someone with the expertise to bottle it to get in touch. I call it “beer pooh glue”, and it’s a winner in waiting, no error. How am I not rich?

i think the sensible thing that came out of the report was that government shouldn’t be trying to engage with people on the basis of religious identity.

I cannot agree more with this statement.
Those nutcases that are penetrating the mosques from Somalia etc almost have a completely different religion to the majority of law abiding Sunnis living in the UK.
There are so many ordinary hardworking young muslims that just want to get on with live and tired of all the crap going on also.
I find the stats shown here about them wanting sharia law just incredible…i blame also those people on the cable channels.
I can’t see even a Muslim country like Bangladesh accepting Sharia law let alone these hotheads wanting it in the UK.
As someone said they are just mascho driven , bravado youngsters probably.

As Om Puri says as he throws out his Islamist son in My Son the Fanatic “I have had enough of your anti-democratic and anti-jewish bullshit”. Many will see the errors of their ways and reject such views and will be embarrassed by them in the future.

the saudis are at the root of this. because of our desire not to upset their precious royal family with its grubby little hands on the oil taps, or for fear that the alternatives aren’t people you can bribe (or won’t be interested in tax-free shopping trips to london so they can bang hookers and drink in casinos) we have allowed their ghastly clergy to poison the minds of an entire generation of muslims by effectively allowing islamic education to be outsourced to the wahhabis. and it’s too late to fix that, because they have got thousands of jobs in marginal constituencies and billions in defence contracts for our GDP tied up in all those things like the al-yamamah deal. that’s why we need to find something to replace oil – then you’d see some reform, pronto.

unfortunately, the only thing i could do straight away was a) complain about it loudly on places like PP and b) start driving a prius. and neither of those are exactly a solution.

b’shalom

bananabrain

Largely not. However, there is the issue of overseas support.

As far as I know, there aren’t any organised TinkiWinkist groups that run training camps teaching weapons training, explosives and so on. Such training does seem to be the difference between an essentially joke threat, like the Angry Brigade or most of the stuff you read of in the papers, and bombs that actually go bang properly.

Downloading recipes off the internet is over-rated, as anyone who tried to cook something reasonably complex that way will tell you.

Everyone should be worried.