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  • Halal pizza non-story fades


    by Rumbold
    16th August, 2010 at 10:01 pm    

    Remember the outcry over the news that several Dominoes’ pizza outlets had decided to stop selling pork on their pizzas, as there wasn’t enough demand for it? This was taken to be a sign of political correctness towards Muslims, and so a minor change in stock in a few eateries prompted national headlines. Now Dominoes is reverting back to the old menu after finding that demand for the new products was weak:

    The pilot ‘hasn’t had the impact expected and the company has reluctantly decided to return to a conventional Domino’s menu’, it said in a letter to customers.

    A classic case of demand affecting supply. However, it was still felt necessary to get a few quotes from previously offended parties:

    ‘It did seem pretty unfair on non-Muslim pizza lovers,’ said pizza fan Chris Yates, 31. ‘It was as if I wasn’t allowed ham or pork on my pizza in case I offended someone.’

    Nope, they just didn’t think enough people were buying them.


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    1. earwicga — on 16th August, 2010 at 10:36 pm  

      Lawd, it’s as if they trialed no-pork pizzas. Those loons should try being vegy and look at the choices there.

    2. KJB — on 17th August, 2010 at 12:53 am  

      This was beyond tragic on so many levels - I mean, getting worked up over Domino’s? Seriously? They are second only to Pizza Hut in over-breadiness. Yeesh.

      Although it would be interesting if one of the awesome bloggers such as 5cc or Anton Vowl were to turn up information on ‘pizza fan Chris Yates’… The mouths cited in these articles often have an, er, intriguing bio attached.

    3. platinum786 — on 17th August, 2010 at 12:02 pm  

      I think eventually KFC may go the same way. Majority of Muslims in the UK are Asian, the pizza’s are just aren’t spicy enough. If you go to an Asian takeaway and ask for a spicy Pizza, it will be spicy! The spicy ones sell the most too, even if it’s a veggie pizza it has to be a spicy one.

      If KFC start doing chilli sauce though, they might make it big in the halal market.

    4. Soso — on 17th August, 2010 at 3:02 pm  

      If the demand is so flat, then why did they decide on a halal menu in the first place?

      Because of pressures and intimidations from certain quarters?

    5. Don — on 17th August, 2010 at 3:31 pm  

      Don’t worry. There’ll be another non-story along in a moment. Like the one about a couple of squat toilets being creeping dhimmitude.

    6. joe90 — on 17th August, 2010 at 3:41 pm  

      post #3

      look up the meaning of the word profit and you will find your answer.

      But you can blame the moooslems if you want which will make you much happier.

    7. Kismet Hardy — on 17th August, 2010 at 3:58 pm  

      Here’s a radical idea. You know how places that sell meat also sell vegetarian versions? How about selling halal food but also salamis? Trick is not to put the two on the same product

    8. damon — on 17th August, 2010 at 4:09 pm  

      I don’t call it a non-story - just a story.
      Like the one about ”Harrow primary schools offer ‘halal-only’ meat option”
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-10884787

      You could say it doesn’t matter - and it doesn’t really, but it’s just interesting that’s all. The way the world changes. The changing control of the meat business and who are gaining market share in that area and who are losing out.
      I don’t have any interest in the business so don’t care, but there are little empires being carved out in such businesses I’m sure.
      And no doubt some people who are losing out are crying foul. I don’t know that anyone is, but I’m guessing that goes on when there are big profits at stake.

      The reason some people who are losing out (non halal producers for example) might be if they felt there was a kind of halal cartel working against them, with people of one community operating in an ”in-house”, ”muslims only” fashion.

      Kind of how you might have heard of grumblings of how certain minority groups ”took over” a local business like mini-cab driving somewhere.
      It doesn’t mean it’s true, it’s just that there is that perception that it’s true from some people.

    9. Soso — on 17th August, 2010 at 4:53 pm  

      look up the meaning of the word profit and you will find your answer.

      Profit, ya say.

      Listen, big chains like Dominoes ALWAYS do extensive marketing studies when introducing new menu items. That way they know ahead of time whether or not the intorduction of such items will be successful. That does not seem to be the case here, because had such studies been done, Dominoes would have soon realised there was little demand far a hala menu option and that that option, therefore, would have never generated any profits.

      There was obviously an element of duress, of intimidation, in this.

    10. Don — on 17th August, 2010 at 5:15 pm  

      Soso,

      That way they know ahead of time whether or not the intorduction of such items will be successful.

      The next stage would usually be a trial run, no? To see if initial market research translates into actual sales. If it doesn’t (Coca-Cola’s new formula, remember?), they drop it.

      You insist that it is obvious that there was intimidation and duress, but if that was the case, why have they stopped the policy. Has the intimidation stopped? Or did they just not make the increased profits they expected?

      Are you familiar with the concept of evidence?

    11. Don — on 17th August, 2010 at 5:24 pm  

      Damon,

      I don’t have any interest in the business so don’t care, but there are little empires being carved out in such businesses I’m sure.

      I saw a documentary a while back (sorry, can’t remember details but a lot of it was based on Canadian journalism) which suggested that a lot of money was being made out of pseudo-hallal meat. Basically, there are just not the resources to monitor every outlet that claims that it is hallal. So a lot of people are consuming standard low-end meat with a label slapped on.

      Probably still counts though. Sort of placebo hallal.

    12. platinum786 — on 17th August, 2010 at 5:48 pm  

      SoSo:

      If someone asked me whether I’d like a halal Subway, I’d say yes. I’ve never eaten any of the tasting looking meat based sandwiches at subway (until recently).

      Recently one opened, I tried their food, it’s okay, nothing special. I’d rather go to the fried chicken place next door.

      So as you can see market demand was there, when it hit the market, it didn’t do as great as projected. I found it a bit bland, I like my high calorie food spicy, if I’m told it’s spicy meatballs, i want them spicy. You can’t make thing spicy with chilli alone, you need masala, that is where subway, dominoes etc fail.

      Had the location my local subway opened up in been predominantly arab, rather than Pakistani, It would make more money, as arab food is blander than Pakistani food.

    13. Soso — on 17th August, 2010 at 7:04 pm  

      You insist that it is obvious that there was intimidation and duress, but if that was the case, why have they stopped the policy. Has the intimidation stopped? Or did they just not make the increased profits they expected?

      No international fastfood chain would ever introduce new menus options without first doing detailed marketing studies.

      Let’s be clear on that.

      This Dominos outlet had no choice but to drop the halal nonsense, intimidation be damned, otherwise they’d have gone out of business.

      When your ass is on the line, you sometimes grow a pair.

      And this breathless “rush” to render all things halal is hardly limited to Dominos. We’ve had some experience with this where we live.

      Attempts here have failed, as well.

      Do you seriously think it’s all a spontaneous outbreak, an outbreak prompted by nothing more than a desire and a longing, on the part of fast-food chains, for dietary diversity?

    14. Soso — on 17th August, 2010 at 7:25 pm  

      So as you can see market demand was there, when it hit the market, it didn’t do as great as projected. I found it a bit bland, I like my high calorie food spicy, if I’m told it’s spicy meatballs, i want them spicy. You can’t make thing spicy with chilli alone, you need masala, that is where subway, dominoes etc fail.

      And just what gives you the right to arrogantly impose your ( ridiculous) dietary tastes on the general public?

      Oh! Right! I forgot, “gawd” gives you the right, right?

      Furthermore, why should I even give a damn how you like your food when, unlike the Jews with their Kosher products, you are utterly insensitive to the dietary tastes, choices and options of the vast majority of Britons?

      Halal meat, unlike the kosher version, is nothing but a racket, and its quality, not to mention safety and salubrity, is perhaps the worst of all the meats available

      And if you like you meat spicey, then may I suggest you chow down on a little spiced pork?

      With pork, you at least know it’s been slaughtered in safe conditions under the supervision of gov’t meat inspectors.

      In France during Ramadan, especially when it falls in the summer, there is always a huge ( and medically expensive) spike in the number of food poisoning cases in the Muslim community, food poisonings triggered by halal meat that is often slaughtered and sliced up right out in the open air…flies and all.

      That people would eat such garbage and arrogantly assume it’s the will of god is insanity.

    15. Don — on 17th August, 2010 at 7:35 pm  

      When your ass is on the line, you sometimes grow a pair.

      Laughed out loud.

    16. Don — on 17th August, 2010 at 8:28 pm  

      Dominoes is a franchise operation, isn’t it? We are not talking about a major corporation changing its style here, just a couple of franchises that thought they saw an opportunity. Didn’t work out.

      It’s not about Dominoes having their ass on the line and growing a pair, unless you have something other than fantasy to evidence your claim that intimidation was obvious. Anything? Even dubious stuff from tainted sources? Anything at all?

    17. Rumbold — on 17th August, 2010 at 9:43 pm  

      Soso:

      I am not sure what your point is. Dominoes can offer any range they want too- it is a private business. Nobody thankfully) is forced to ear Dominoes pizza.

    18. Daria — on 18th August, 2010 at 6:42 pm  

      On two occasions last week my dog was barred from London buses, not because she’s particularly fierce or big, but on religious grounds. A friend and I had taken her to the park, and as I went across to the grocer, my friend took Daisy, a Manchester terrier, to the bus stop.

      As they tried to board the bus, the driver stopped her and told her that there was a Muslim lady on the bus who “might be upset by the dog”. As she attempted to remonstrate, the doors closed and the bus drew away.

      When a second bus arrived, she again made to embark, but was stopped again – this time because the driver said he was Muslim. I know that Muslims consider dogs to be unclean, but last time I looked this wasn’t a Muslim country and London Transport was a non-denominational organisation.

      I’m a Catholic, but I’m hardly likely to start insisting that no divorced people should be allowed on my bus. I have no intention of causing upset with my dog and I wouldn’t allow her to brush against anyone who was at pains to avoid her. None the less, I instinctively cavil at this creeping intolerance, masquerading as pious devotion, whatever its origins.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/7847571/Is-a-religious-bus-ban-on-my-dog-right.html

      Blind passengers are being ordered off buses or refused taxi rides because Muslim drivers or passengers object to their ‘unclean’ guide dogs.

      http://focusuk.wordpress.com/2010/07/19/uk-muslim-bus-drivers-refuse-to-let-guide-dogs-on-board/

      http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2051804_blind_passenger_hounded_off_bus_because_of_his_dog

      another non-stories? yeah, right

    19. joe90 — on 18th August, 2010 at 6:50 pm  

      post #19

      In your first story dogs are only allowed on if they are guide dogs not because they are friendly looking!!!!

      And what the hell do dogs and pizza got to do with each other? oh right sorry my bad you want to stir up some hatred go ahead.

    20. Daria — on 18th August, 2010 at 7:15 pm  

      |||In your first story dogs are only allowed on if they are guide dogs not because they are friendly looking!!!!|||

      what do you mean? failed to understand your message, frankly… express your thoughts more precisely, please…

      muslims’ emotions is the new law for everyone? dog and her owner ban was right?

      dogs are normally banned to enter the bus in UK? Iwhen the author of the story from my first link should know that… I’m not from UK, so I don’t know

      |||you want to stir up some hatred|||

      what’s your only reaction when anyone but muslims is discriminated? everyone should shut up, do what muslims desire and don’t stir up hatred?

      maybe, when the muslims claim being discriminated - they only want to stir up some hatred - don’t you think? on, they only fight for their rights. to discriminate the others

      actually, on this site there is no way to stir up hatred towards muslims no matter what they do - I have noticed that. I realised that I Have better chances to become the object of agression of “muslim-rights-fighters” here.

      I just want people to comment on this. Somehow, posters prefer to pick non-stories and speak out but rarely the real ones. why? to create an illusion (for themselves, I guess) that all “overtolerance”, “islamic intolerance” stories are fake?

    21. loonywatch — on 18th August, 2010 at 7:20 pm  

      wow . Pickled Politics has started to rival the BNP website for Muslim haters amongst the people making comments

    22. joe90 — on 18th August, 2010 at 7:27 pm  

      post #21

      I no speak-a da english

    23. Daria — on 18th August, 2010 at 7:47 pm  

      loonywatch, seriously? well, since i have been here last time - things changed. or is it just me?

    24. Daria — on 18th August, 2010 at 7:48 pm  

      joe90

      ???

    25. Daria — on 18th August, 2010 at 7:49 pm  

      23 you realised that only now?

    26. Don — on 18th August, 2010 at 10:46 pm  

      #23

      What?

      Is there a punch line, or are you just being a jerk?

    27. An Old Friend — on 19th August, 2010 at 12:48 am  

      I’ve seen some nasty, muzzle-less dogs on buses in Britain. If I were a bus driver, I wouldnt allow any dogs on buses unless the were for the blind and there wore a muzzle. There are too many babies and children in prams that could roll over a dogs foot causing him to attack, on buses for it to be a safe environment for them. I remember this guy had two huge rotweilers at a bus stop right before King’s Cross. How anyone would let that dog on a bus its just dangerous and stupid. No one trust your dog like you do. Let them eat your children not anyone elses.

      We will not even talk about the dogs that are being totted by young British ass holes who feed them broken class to increase their aggression.

      Fuck your dog. DARIA!!!

    28. Daria — on 19th August, 2010 at 6:27 pm  

      |||Fuck your dog. DARIA!!!|||

      obviously, that’s the first thing that comes to your sick mind, when you see a dog… normal people have different associations.
      just try and pretend one, things will be much easier if you wouldn’t wear you sexual deviations on your sleeves.
      and know, you have just opened your mouth - and let all your dirty secrets out

      I see there is an old childhood problem with dogs, that made you such a pervert, darling.

      |||We will not even talk about the dogs that are being totted by young British ass holes who feed them broken class to increase their aggression.|||

      looks like that was what your parents did to you…

      |||No one trust your dog like you do.|||

      well, some people don’t trust veiled women - so what?

    29. Daria — on 19th August, 2010 at 6:32 pm  

      what’s someone’s trust or perversions, or phobias have to do with dogs on the bus?

      there is only one question I want to clear here - is it generally forbidden to get on the bus with a dog in UK?if not - how can a driver ban the dog? under what explanation?
      Is it a private bus? his own bus?

      if I were a driver, I wouldn’t allow perverts like you, an old friend, on the bus - under no circumstances. that would do good for everyone, I am sure

    30. Daria — on 19th August, 2010 at 7:22 pm  

      Don… nothing new from you … I see

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