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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/951#comment-50743</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,

I think with politicians, those with a track record are criticised for the minutae of it. Those without a track record are criticised for being inexperienced. It was my contention when I stuck my bet on that the American people may well wish to move onto a new generation of politicians, and make a clean break with the past. Lets face it, there is not really an awful lot to choose between the two sides on domestic politics when compared to the likely run off in France, where there are genuine alternatives. What I do not like about Anglo Saxon politics is it has become more to do with image than substance. I do not think the average Republican is the red necked monster portrayed by the Democrats nor the average Democrat the Liberal wimp that Republicans play tit for tat about.

This is a high stakes game for these people, and they are not going to give hostages to Fox News or anyone else.

So the question is simple, do Americans want more of the same, or do they want a sea change? For once, I know where my money is.



You</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p>
<p>I think with politicians, those with a track record are criticised for the minutae of it. Those without a track record are criticised for being inexperienced. It was my contention when I stuck my bet on that the American people may well wish to move onto a new generation of politicians, and make a clean break with the past. Lets face it, there is not really an awful lot to choose between the two sides on domestic politics when compared to the likely run off in France, where there are genuine alternatives. What I do not like about Anglo Saxon politics is it has become more to do with image than substance. I do not think the average Republican is the red necked monster portrayed by the Democrats nor the average Democrat the Liberal wimp that Republicans play tit for tat about.</p>
<p>This is a high stakes game for these people, and they are not going to give hostages to Fox News or anyone else.</p>
<p>So the question is simple, do Americans want more of the same, or do they want a sea change? For once, I know where my money is.</p>
<p>You</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/951#comment-50741</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.....and to the point of same gender marriage - I assume that Barak is understanding of the importance of the advancement of equality and civil rights, but he has surely been steadfast in his lack of support for gays and lesbians.  If he was that brave, that progressive, he would have the courage of his convictions and stop his shabby hedging.  It&#039;s not just the &quot;audacity of hope&quot;, it&#039;s about the audacity of conviction, of doing what&#039;s right and of putting your head above the parapet on the difficult, pesky issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;..and to the point of same gender marriage &#8211; I assume that Barak is understanding of the importance of the advancement of equality and civil rights, but he has surely been steadfast in his lack of support for gays and lesbians.  If he was that brave, that progressive, he would have the courage of his convictions and stop his shabby hedging.  It&#8217;s not just the &#8220;audacity of hope&#8221;, it&#8217;s about the audacity of conviction, of doing what&#8217;s right and of putting your head above the parapet on the difficult, pesky issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/951#comment-50740</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, and by the way, it really just emphasizes how sleazy the Fox (so called) News Channel is.  They did everything they could to play down Bush&#039;s coke addiction, his womanizing, his desertion, his bankruptcy, but now they are the ones seeking to out Barak&#039;s admitted drug use.  Pathetic and obviously neither Fair nor Balanced.  Murdoch&#039;s Fox (so called) News Channel ONLY ever does the devil&#039;s work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, and by the way, it really just emphasizes how sleazy the Fox (so called) News Channel is.  They did everything they could to play down Bush&#8217;s coke addiction, his womanizing, his desertion, his bankruptcy, but now they are the ones seeking to out Barak&#8217;s admitted drug use.  Pathetic and obviously neither Fair nor Balanced.  Murdoch&#8217;s Fox (so called) News Channel ONLY ever does the devil&#8217;s work.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/951#comment-50739</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t frankly be bothered to read Barak Obama&#039;s autobiography, I am not particularly interested.  He is being touted as a candidate by a wide assortment of people, but most avidly by right wingers who want to derail Hillary&#039;s bid for the Presidency, by shoving a wedge between the two in hope that the black americans will withhold their vote from Hillary and doom her chances.  It&#039;s a possibility.

I&#039;m not particularly a Hillary supporter either, but once you get over the hurdle of understanding that only the extreme right wingers can speak their mind in the US with impunity (and still win) I understand that Hillary has to hedge on many subjects (Israel unfortunately being one of them) and that Barak has to hedge on the issue of same gender marriage (even though they both realize fully that they are touting irrational nonsense.

That said, does Barak deserve to win?  Does he deserve to put his name in the hat even?  I would say &quot;no&quot;.  If the business of politics is to &quot;do your time&quot;, have a body of &quot;good works&quot; (depending on your point of view of course) and at least a few years of national awareness under your belt, he is definitely NOT a candidate.  I don&#039;t really care which Democrat ultimately wins the nomination - any one of them would be infinitely better than John McCain, Rudy Guliani, Mitt Romney et. al.  but I would suggest that Barak take a back seat and await a possible Vice President nomination - and he should understand that even that would be a decision based on many things, but none of them his actual qualifications or experience.  If he doesn&#039;t and he eventually wins, then all well and good, but he has NO MORE in the way of qualification to run than any member of the house or senate, but for the fact that he is an attractive, minority male with a solid keynote speech from a few years back. 

RIP Mark Warner and Even Bayh - they both should have run. I fear that the democratic primaries will now be between a bunch of long in the tooth no hopers such as my own Senator, Christopher Dood and Joe Biden of Delaware and the luminaries who will end up smacking eachother around in a nasty face off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t frankly be bothered to read Barak Obama&#8217;s autobiography, I am not particularly interested.  He is being touted as a candidate by a wide assortment of people, but most avidly by right wingers who want to derail Hillary&#8217;s bid for the Presidency, by shoving a wedge between the two in hope that the black americans will withhold their vote from Hillary and doom her chances.  It&#8217;s a possibility.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not particularly a Hillary supporter either, but once you get over the hurdle of understanding that only the extreme right wingers can speak their mind in the US with impunity (and still win) I understand that Hillary has to hedge on many subjects (Israel unfortunately being one of them) and that Barak has to hedge on the issue of same gender marriage (even though they both realize fully that they are touting irrational nonsense.</p>
<p>That said, does Barak deserve to win?  Does he deserve to put his name in the hat even?  I would say &#8220;no&#8221;.  If the business of politics is to &#8220;do your time&#8221;, have a body of &#8220;good works&#8221; (depending on your point of view of course) and at least a few years of national awareness under your belt, he is definitely NOT a candidate.  I don&#8217;t really care which Democrat ultimately wins the nomination &#8211; any one of them would be infinitely better than John McCain, Rudy Guliani, Mitt Romney et. al.  but I would suggest that Barak take a back seat and await a possible Vice President nomination &#8211; and he should understand that even that would be a decision based on many things, but none of them his actual qualifications or experience.  If he doesn&#8217;t and he eventually wins, then all well and good, but he has NO MORE in the way of qualification to run than any member of the house or senate, but for the fact that he is an attractive, minority male with a solid keynote speech from a few years back. </p>
<p>RIP Mark Warner and Even Bayh &#8211; they both should have run. I fear that the democratic primaries will now be between a bunch of long in the tooth no hopers such as my own Senator, Christopher Dood and Joe Biden of Delaware and the luminaries who will end up smacking eachother around in a nasty face off.</p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/951#comment-50708</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 23:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You got him at 20? Wow! Hope he comes through if only for that reason!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got him at 20? Wow! Hope he comes through if only for that reason!</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/951#comment-50692</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>El-Cid,

I got Barak at 20-1. But it was a while ago. I am astonished the odds have shorted that much. My bank manager is becoming a Democrat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El-Cid,</p>
<p>I got Barak at 20-1. But it was a while ago. I am astonished the odds have shorted that much. My bank manager is becoming a Democrat.</p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/951#comment-50690</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 17:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Condi at 20-1 is the only value from what I can see. But she&#039;s 20-1 for good reasons</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Condi at 20-1 is the only value from what I can see. But she&#8217;s 20-1 for good reasons</p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 17:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4-1 according to Paddy Power
Here are a few more:
http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=show_type_by_main_market&amp;category=SPECIALS&amp;ev_class_id=33&amp;id=5142&amp;selectvcgrp=23034&amp;disp_cat_id=</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4-1 according to Paddy Power<br />
Here are a few more:<br />
<a href="http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=show_type_by_main_market&#038;category=SPECIALS&#038;ev_class_id=33&#038;id=5142&#038;selectvcgrp=23034&#038;disp_cat_id" rel="nofollow">http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=show_type_by_main_market&#038;category=SPECIALS&#038;ev_class_id=33&#038;id=5142&#038;selectvcgrp=23034&#038;disp_cat_id</a>=</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/951#comment-50688</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me this is the way American politics works. Someone like Barak, who seems to come onto the stage with a clean sheet, is subjected to intense and overwhelming scrutiny. It would not be beyond Fox News to find a classmate who says he farted when he was twelve and make a lead item out of it.

But the next stages are the test of fire. If he can keep his head, I think he has got the opportunity to play the &#039;clean break from the past&#039; card, somewhat like JFK did. (I was going to say new generation, but it&#039;s a bit of a clichÃ©). Incidentally, his book &quot;The Audacity of Hope&quot; is sitting at number one in the NYT best sellers list.  

Declaration of interest. I put Â£20 on him to be the next president. Although it&#039;s a long shot, it is still possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me this is the way American politics works. Someone like Barak, who seems to come onto the stage with a clean sheet, is subjected to intense and overwhelming scrutiny. It would not be beyond Fox News to find a classmate who says he farted when he was twelve and make a lead item out of it.</p>
<p>But the next stages are the test of fire. If he can keep his head, I think he has got the opportunity to play the &#8216;clean break from the past&#8217; card, somewhat like JFK did. (I was going to say new generation, but it&#8217;s a bit of a clichÃ©). Incidentally, his book &#8220;The Audacity of Hope&#8221; is sitting at number one in the NYT best sellers list.  </p>
<p>Declaration of interest. I put Â£20 on him to be the next president. Although it&#8217;s a long shot, it is still possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravi Naik</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/951#comment-50661</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravi Naik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Obama epitomises everything upper middle-class white liberals expect in a â€œgoodâ€ black person.&lt;/i&gt;

How should he behave as a black person, you know, to keep it real?

His speeches are quite inspiring IMHO, and remind me of Bill Clinton, who by the way, was criticised for being unexperienced before being elected President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Obama epitomises everything upper middle-class white liberals expect in a â€œgoodâ€ black person.</i></p>
<p>How should he behave as a black person, you know, to keep it real?</p>
<p>His speeches are quite inspiring IMHO, and remind me of Bill Clinton, who by the way, was criticised for being unexperienced before being elected President.</p>
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		<title>By: Anas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s a bam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s a bam.</p>
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		<title>By: Electro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Electro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama epitomises everything upper middle-class white liberals expect in a &quot;good&quot; black person.

What are Oabam&#039;s strong points? What is he noted for? What ground-breaking initiatives has he spearheaded that would justify his run at the preisdency?

In short, nothing!

The man is drab, dour, mediocre and largely talentless.

He is, however, *black*, and these days that&#039;s good enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama epitomises everything upper middle-class white liberals expect in a &#8220;good&#8221; black person.</p>
<p>What are Oabam&#8217;s strong points? What is he noted for? What ground-breaking initiatives has he spearheaded that would justify his run at the preisdency?</p>
<p>In short, nothing!</p>
<p>The man is drab, dour, mediocre and largely talentless.</p>
<p>He is, however, *black*, and these days that&#8217;s good enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Kismet Hardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kismet Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Rush Limbaugh&quot;

Sorry, if you took ecstasy you&#039;d be pissing yourself</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rush Limbaugh&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, if you took ecstasy you&#8217;d be pissing yourself</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite right, Marshal. Had Limbaugh not been a hypocrite then he&#039;d have been much more sympathetically treated.

Others might make a distinction between someone freely admitting to abusing drugs twenty five years ago and someone caught out currently abusing drugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite right, Marshal. Had Limbaugh not been a hypocrite then he&#8217;d have been much more sympathetically treated.</p>
<p>Others might make a distinction between someone freely admitting to abusing drugs twenty five years ago and someone caught out currently abusing drugs.</p>
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		<title>By: Marshal Will Kane</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/951#comment-50640</link>
		<dc:creator>Marshal Will Kane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s sure nice to see Liberals so open-minded over the use of illegal drugs.  Problem is, I don&#039;t seem to remember the same leniency over addiction of legal substances when the issue was Rush Limbaugh.  This inequality has a name-hipocrisy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sure nice to see Liberals so open-minded over the use of illegal drugs.  Problem is, I don&#8217;t seem to remember the same leniency over addiction of legal substances when the issue was Rush Limbaugh.  This inequality has a name-hipocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: Kismet Hardy</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/951#comment-50639</link>
		<dc:creator>Kismet Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 12:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh the headlines:

He starts arguing with a British Airways air hostess: BA BA-RUKUS
He loses dismaslly: BARACK OH BUMMER 
Calls for traditional ways: BARACK TO BASICS
Caught canoodling with a prostiture: BARACK WHORE
Gets humiliated by Jack Straw over policies in middle east: STRAW THAT BARACK THE CAMEL&#039;S BACK
Decides to hip up his image and do a duet with beanie man: SIM SIMAH, WHO GOT THE KEYS TO OBAMA

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh the headlines:</p>
<p>He starts arguing with a British Airways air hostess: BA BA-RUKUS<br />
He loses dismaslly: BARACK OH BUMMER<br />
Calls for traditional ways: BARACK TO BASICS<br />
Caught canoodling with a prostiture: BARACK WHORE<br />
Gets humiliated by Jack Straw over policies in middle east: STRAW THAT BARACK THE CAMEL&#8217;S BACK<br />
Decides to hip up his image and do a duet with beanie man: SIM SIMAH, WHO GOT THE KEYS TO OBAMA</p>
<p>etc</p>
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		<title>By: Kismet Hardy</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/951#comment-50638</link>
		<dc:creator>Kismet Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 12:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There ain&#039;t no barack in the stars &amp; stripes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There ain&#8217;t no barack in the stars &amp; stripes</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 12:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the drug taking etc people should just be as honest as possible relating that it was a past event and that everybody has some small skeletons and refute any accusations to the contrary.

Maybe in the long run it could be a good excercise in differentiation if he has a name like Obama and a middle one Hussain. After multiple exposures to the two terms some peoples psyches would be able to work it out and then they can say &#039;Oh of course Obama is not Osama!!!!&#039; and then say &#039;Oh of course this is not Saddam Hussain therefore there must be more than one person in the world with this name well he hasn&#039;t got a moustache has he!!!&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the drug taking etc people should just be as honest as possible relating that it was a past event and that everybody has some small skeletons and refute any accusations to the contrary.</p>
<p>Maybe in the long run it could be a good excercise in differentiation if he has a name like Obama and a middle one Hussain. After multiple exposures to the two terms some peoples psyches would be able to work it out and then they can say &#8216;Oh of course Obama is not Osama!!!!&#8217; and then say &#8216;Oh of course this is not Saddam Hussain therefore there must be more than one person in the world with this name well he hasn&#8217;t got a moustache has he!!!&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a way in might be a good thing if the US had a black president. However I believe the following. It is doubtful he would do much for black people. If he did a lot he would be accused that he didn&#039;t do much. If he did some halfway measures he would be accused that he did bugger all. He would probably fall in line with the establishment. If he didn&#039;t many would rant that he has. If he compromised with the establishment many would accuse him of toeing the line completely. I doubt if he would withdraw troops from Iraq as to do that would be just too problematic politically and militarily.  He could even end up being disliked by loads of people. Why? because this is the human race and politics. Just call me cynic!!

Would it be better symbollicaly for race relations to have a black president?....it&#039;s worth it to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a way in might be a good thing if the US had a black president. However I believe the following. It is doubtful he would do much for black people. If he did a lot he would be accused that he didn&#8217;t do much. If he did some halfway measures he would be accused that he did bugger all. He would probably fall in line with the establishment. If he didn&#8217;t many would rant that he has. If he compromised with the establishment many would accuse him of toeing the line completely. I doubt if he would withdraw troops from Iraq as to do that would be just too problematic politically and militarily.  He could even end up being disliked by loads of people. Why? because this is the human race and politics. Just call me cynic!!</p>
<p>Would it be better symbollicaly for race relations to have a black president?&#8230;.it&#8217;s worth it to see.</p>
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		<title>By: Kismet Hardy</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/951#comment-50635</link>
		<dc:creator>Kismet Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So predictable yet so amusing, unlike obama who&#039;s just predictable</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So predictable yet so amusing, unlike obama who&#8217;s just predictable</p>
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