Why would Muslims play up Islamophobia?


by Sunny
4th August, 2010 at 9:44 am    

This kind of rubbish annoys me. Yesterday the Guardian reported on a poll on British Muslims:

The study for the Islamic Education and Research Academy (iERA) also found that 63% of people surveyed did not disagree with the statement “Muslims are terrorists” and 94% agreed that “Islam oppresses women”. It included qualitative as well as quantitative data. One respondent said: “If I had my way I’d kick them all [Muslims] out of here.”

Sounds scary right? Has Daily Mail / BNP propaganda taken over? Not exactly.

George Readings from the Quilliam Foundation points out that the iERA itself is fronted by some dodgy people.

Neither Sky nor the Guardian noticed, for example, that the home secretary has banned two of the eight advisors listed on iEra’s website (Zakir Naik and Bilal Philips) from the UK; Naik has been quoted as calling Americans “pigs” and saying that “every Muslim should be a terrorist” whilst Philips has advocated stoning people to death and public lashings, but “only [...] on Fridays”.

The Guardian quotes someone called Hamza Tzortzis who has previously said: “We as Muslims reject the idea of freedom of speech, and even of freedom.”

Frankly, if this is the guy charged with helping Muslims improve their image, they really are in trouble.

But actually it’s worse than that, because the Guardian also misrepresents the poll results.

I took a screenshot from the actual data.

You’ll notice that more people disagreed with the view that “Muslims are terrorists” than agreed, while 39% were neutral. The Guardian report lumps the agreed with the neutral to say “63% of people surveyed did not disagree…” which may be strictly true but misrepresents the stats.

The story also says 94% agreed that “Islam oppresses women” but as you can see above that’s actually untrue.

Either the reporter agreed with this Academy’s agenda or went along with the press release without checking. Either way it’s very dishonest.

I’m actually surprised that the number of people who are neutral about Sharia is so high.

It comes as no shock that a HuT sympathiser would spin such a line – their aim is to increase bunker mentality among Muslims. But it’s more annoying the Guardian’s Haroon Siddique fell for their line.

Yes there is plenty of Islamophobia in the press. But trying to exaggerate it, especially to serve the cause of such groups, doesn’t do the Guardian or ordinary British Muslims any credit.


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  1. cjcjc — on 4th August, 2010 at 10:27 am  

    To enhance/encourage a sense of victimhood.

    Ditto the Guardian, with a healthy dose of self-hatred thrown in.

  2. shariq — on 4th August, 2010 at 11:35 am  

    there is a subset of Muslims that believes that greater antagonism would awaken some ‘moderates’ and make them see all the hidden racism.

    that’s why Barry’s character in 4 lions is hilarious, because it does ring true.

  3. David T — on 4th August, 2010 at 1:18 pm  

    Barry is based on David Myatt:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul-Aziz_ibn_Myatt

    His character even refers to mosque go-ers as “Pakis” – his racism has survived his conversion!

  4. sofia — on 4th August, 2010 at 1:41 pm  

    This is slightly off topic but as the thread was talking about the Guardian, I’m not sure why the Guardian posted this one either…it lumped radicals, fundamentalists and terrorist linked groups and Islamists into one article on a humanitarian disaster..totally taking away from the actual crisis that people are facing..
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/03/islamist-groups-pakistan-aid-void

  5. Sunny — on 4th August, 2010 at 2:03 pm  

    that’s why Barry’s character in 4 lions is hilarious, because it does ring true.

    heh, yeah.

  6. muslim — on 4th August, 2010 at 2:15 pm  

    David T
    “His character even refers to mosque go-ers as “Pakis” – his racism has survived his conversion!”

    If he was a racist why didnt he join a racist religion like Judaism or Hinduism rather than Islam which stresses all humans are equal regardless of colour ?

  7. john — on 4th August, 2010 at 2:18 pm  

    What a nerve! David T has people with racist names like “Abu wanabee Arab” write articles for his Harrys Place site

    David Toube of Harry’s Place: liar, racist, buffoon and turncoat
    http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/2008/10/david-toube-of-harrys-place-liar-racist.html

  8. Sarah AB — on 4th August, 2010 at 2:29 pm  

    Interesting post – the questions/statements seem very unhelpfully worded. I might be more inclined to answer ‘neither agree nor disagree’ to many questions, if forced to take part in such a survey, for that reason. For example ‘Muslims preach hatred’. If I think *some* do, does that mean I have to agree slightly? It’s interesting that only 9% disagreed strongly that the media was biased against Muslims.

  9. joe90 — on 4th August, 2010 at 2:38 pm  

    If the poll is 100% accurate or not, when politicians try scoring political points or media outlets print day after day repeated monotonous articles on the burkha or recently so called muslim toilets even when such a thing does not exist, and muslim bus drivers praying etc i am not surprised about peoples negative perception of muslims and islam.

    Muslims are something like 2% of the population but the negative coverage they receive is OTT compared to their numbers and one can only conclude the articles are mostly prejudiced.

  10. m — on 4th August, 2010 at 4:13 pm  

    If he was a racist why didnt he join a racist religion like Judaism or Hinduism rather than Islam which stresses all humans are equal regardless of colour ?

    Thanks! I really needed a laugh! All humans are equal regardless of color, that’s why Arabs use the same word for slave and black people.

    But I guess it is true when you think about it. Islamic bigotry is against non-muslims regardless of color.

  11. joe90 — on 4th August, 2010 at 4:26 pm  

    m post#10

    i need a laugh too because arab or arabic is not a religion.

  12. sofia — on 4th August, 2010 at 4:36 pm  

    M – So what is the word for black people in Arabic?

  13. Friar Bungay — on 4th August, 2010 at 4:41 pm  

    “Islam … stresses all humans are equal regardless of colour ”
    …except non-muslims.

  14. douglas clark — on 4th August, 2010 at 5:05 pm  

    Is it not quite unusual for any poll to find the largest group on every question having effectively no opinion, which is what the category ‘neither agree or disagree’ means, does it not? Else I could allocate them all, on say the question: ‘Islam cannot positively contribute to modern society’, to the strongly and slightly disagree camp. Hurrah!

    Complete nonsense, of course.

    What their poll actually tells them is the general public is not that bothered. Least, that’s what I take out of it.

  15. muslim — on 4th August, 2010 at 6:03 pm  

    joe90

    “m post#10

    i need a laugh too because arab or arabic is not a religion.”

    Quite and someone needs to tell “m” that the saying the word “abd” (slave) is the name for blacks in Arabic is like saying the word for blacks in English is “n*gger”

    Someone also needs to tell David T that “Four Lions” isnt real

  16. douglas clark — on 4th August, 2010 at 10:38 pm  

    muslim @ 15,

    What is your answer to Friar Bungray @ 13?

    Anything less than a complete denial would be inadequate. You have faffed around the controversy without once saying anything about where you actually stand on the wider aspects of human rights – y’know those that transcend narrow, religious sectartianism.

    Seems to me you are stirring it up my friend.

    No doubt, you have an answer.

  17. douglas clark — on 4th August, 2010 at 10:56 pm  

    Sunny,

    I welcome back the edit facility.

    Really I do. But my previous post has an egregious error, it says sectartianism rather than sectarianism. When I realised that the entire Internet would probably collapse into a black hole or summat, I heroically tried to correct it, only to be told – it was my second ‘correction’ – that I couldn’t.

    Is it not supposed to be that within the 30 minutes the author can correct as often as they wish?

    Apparently not :-(

    Anyway, with that caveat, I stand by my post!

  18. Sunny — on 5th August, 2010 at 5:21 am  

    heh, don’t worry douglas – the internet has not collapsed without those edits ;)

  19. Ogden — on 5th August, 2010 at 9:24 am  
  20. Badmash — on 5th August, 2010 at 10:00 am  

    “George Readings from the Quilliam Foundation points out that the iERA itself is fronted by some dodgy people.”

    Dodgy as iERA might be, I’m not taking advice from the Quilliam Foundation who specialises in creating shitlists, just like HP:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/aug/04/quilliam-foundation-list-alleged-extremism

  21. Sarah AB — on 5th August, 2010 at 10:30 am  

    Ogden – I’m not a great fan of YAB but that’s quite an interesting piece. I disagree with her implication that we should consider banning the burka in order to avoid ‘Talibanising’ Britatin. There’s a big difference between forcing someone to wear something and not banning them from doing so if they wish! (Though I know there is also the question of coercion.)

    Badmash – I thought that Guardian article, particularly in conjunction with its headline, seemed rather unfair to the Quilliam Foundation. Just one small point – the phrase ‘even the Islam Channel’ assynes that the Islam Channel is beyond criticism without giving any evidence. And do you want to ignore the fact that the iERA are dodgy simply because Quilliam doesn’t like them?

  22. douglas clark — on 6th August, 2010 at 12:39 am  

    amir @ 26,

    Some of us remember your notorious rabid call for all Muslims to apologise when one had done something wrong (a collective guilt/responsibility you often indulge in when engaging with Muslim posters)

    Here’s a wee exercise for you. Find the comment and quote it, chapter and verse. Not your sloppy recollection of it.

    If I am wrong, and I sometimes am – unlike the perfectionists that don’t comment, just keep their powder dry and criticise instead – I apologise.

    You, amir, are that flea on the back to bite ‘em.

    It is all to easy for a lazy, defensive little twit like you to carp and criticize. Especially as you add sweet fanny adams to the debate, but leap in to defend ‘muslim’.

    Is it just because he says he is?

  23. Shamit — on 6th August, 2010 at 12:47 am  

    Douglas -

    I bet these two are the exact same person. I would not get too worked up about these little twats

  24. douglas clark — on 6th August, 2010 at 12:50 am  

    Is it not a tad pretentious to have a user name of ‘muslim’?

  25. douglas clark — on 6th August, 2010 at 12:50 am  

    Does he have the right to speak for all muslims, or is it just an affectation?

  26. douglas clark — on 6th August, 2010 at 12:51 am  

    Is he, perhaps, a wee bit big for his boots?

  27. douglas clark — on 6th August, 2010 at 12:52 am  

    Maybe he has some sort of ridiculous ‘God’ complex.

  28. douglas clark — on 6th August, 2010 at 12:54 am  

    Anyway, Amir, you choose who your friends are and I chose mine….

  29. douglas clark — on 6th August, 2010 at 12:55 am  

    Shamit,

    Thanks.

    It is just amusing…..

  30. douglas clark — on 6th August, 2010 at 12:55 am  

    Shamit,

    I can rant with the best of them :-)

  31. damon — on 6th August, 2010 at 11:28 am  

    If you didn’t see Newsnight last night, you really should watch this.

    They are going to merge two Oldham schools. One is now 90% white, the other 90% asian. I was a bit shocked to hear racist attitudes coming out from both sets of children. ”They don’t like us” said one little Muslim girl. Who told her that I thought to myself. She was only about ten. And the little white girl’s mother was a disgrace. It was obvious she was getting her views from her mother.

    How were things allowed to get like that? Of course the schools should be mixed – and it won’t be such a big deal either I bet. Why should it be?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/8881030.stm

  32. Soso — on 6th August, 2010 at 3:33 pm  

    If he was a racist why didnt he join a racist religion like Judaism or Hinduism rather than Islam which stresses all humans are equal regardless of colour?

    In the Middle East Arabs treat their darker-skinned Pakistani workers ( and Blacks!) like subhumans and their lighter-skinned European workers like gods.

    And last time I checked, Christians and Hindus could freely worship in Israel, a majority-Jewish country, but not in “equality-obsessed” Saudi Arabia.

    Come hither, Muslim, and let me teach you the true ways of the prophet.

  33. damon — on 6th August, 2010 at 9:19 pm  

    Kamal whoever you are – are you one of these MPACUK types? You sound like it. I suppose that’s what getting religion can do to a person.

    Your point of view about Oldham sounds exactly as I can hear every day here in Belfast. Where people find excuses for even having seperate primary schools for the different communities.

    Did you not take notice of the title of this thread?
    It sounds like it’s describing you.

  34. douglas clark — on 6th August, 2010 at 11:03 pm  

    So,

    We now have a triumvirate of offended Muslims. the saintly ‘muslim’, the blessed ‘Amir’ and the brain dead ‘Kamal’.

    Am I supposed to assume these are typical Muslims? For they are not. They are children,whatever their ages, pretending to have something to say when they would be better shutting the fuck up.

    They are a disgrace to Muslims everywhere. I have never met a Muslim that was as up their arse as ‘muslim’, ‘Amir’ nor ‘Kamal’.

    They are an affront to the Muslim religion and arseholes to boot.

    ______________________

    There is an interesting measure of idiots like them:

    The ‘Muslim Offence Factor’ is off the scale…

    http://muttawa.blogspot.com/

    _________________________

    Quelle surprise!

    What a shower of overbearing religious nutters!

    No compromise, no reason, no debate.

    No arguement, really…..

  35. douglas clark — on 7th August, 2010 at 12:18 am  

    Kamal,

    Nope.

    Answer the question that was put @ 13, or go away.

    There is a consistent theme between you and ‘muslim’ and Amir. You criticise, but you do not respond. How completely pathetic you are.

    And you think you represent a world religion?

    I don’t think so.

  36. Doine — on 7th August, 2010 at 1:09 am  

    douglas clark

    “It is the most fragmented, least centralised belief system on the planet.”

    delusion the unity of the saudis, muslim brotherhood,hamas is well documented and growing. They have a priest caste(imams, mullahs, muftis, etc that attend the same institutes of higher learning. Minority sects are routinely attacked as heretical. the unity of the ummah is constantly emphasized. The divide between sunni and shia often dissolves when aimed against non-muslims.

  37. Harsha — on 8th August, 2010 at 4:56 pm  

    Zakir Naik is way beyond dodgy. He is a fraud, a liar and a perfect example of a bigoted Muslim. He has actually tried to prove that Hinduism is, in reality Islam, even though the former pre-dates the latter by over a thousand years. He has recommended the death penalty for apostates, and has spouted out so much hate speech, that Islamic clerics in India, have issued fatwas against him, and advised people to boycott his talks,etc. And still, he commands a large audience wherever he goes.

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