An attempt to smear Operation Black Vote


by Sunny
28th July, 2010 at 3:36 pm    

Ahh look, Harry’s Place blog up to its usual tricks again. A post by Edmund Standing is titled: Operation Black Vote and the Nation of Islam.

The implication seems to be there is some big partnership between the two. After all, the post spends ages criticising the NOI and then OBV. But it amounts to OBV having, “the need to promote a protest ‘rally’ in defence” of a police raid on a NOI mosque in Brixton. The press release on OBV, which Edmund Standing is referring to, states:

It’s reported by the NOI that the Police insisted that they had intelligence that there was a cannabis factory on the premises. The Police then bizarrely claimed that they were unaware that it was a Mosque building.

The police then had to apologise and pay out compensation for the raid. Perhaps Standing doesn’t care for police raiding places of worship or other spaces because he’s not religious. It happens less now, but there used to be a long tradition of the police trying to intimidate groups by raiding their premises without little proof. You either take a stand against it – or you let the police run roughshod over local communities.

Plus, the implication is that because OBV promoted the rally, they must agree with all the stances that NOI takes. In the same way, should we assume that all Harry’s Place writers who are defensive about the US government foreign policy also agree with everything the US government does?

Lastly, Edmund Standing, who Harry’s Place publishes regularly, worked for Douglas Murray’s Centre for Social Cohesion. This is what Douglas Murray said in The Hague to the Pim Fortuyn Memorial Conference on Europe and Islam in February 2006 (note: It was originally posted at the Social Affairs Unit site but has since been taken down without explanation):

The point here is that the whole deal under which Muslims live in our societies must change. At present we ask “why do they hate us”, “what did we fail to give them”, and suchlike. It is time the West woke up to the fact that the militants in our midst – however large a percentage of the Muslim population – will never like us. And we should not want to be liked by them – so we should stop flattering and playing up to them. Conditions for Muslims in Europe must be made harder across the board: Europe must look like a less attractive proposition. We in Europe owe – after all – no special dues to Islam. We owe them no religious holidays, special rights or privileges. From long before we were first attacked it should have been made plain that people who come into Europe are here under our rules and not theirs.

I’ll assume that Edmund Standing and Harry’s Place blog writers agree with the above then, shall I?


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  1. sunny hundal

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  1. saeed — on 28th July, 2010 at 3:52 pm  

    these people are not worth your time sunny…forget about them…

  2. DF — on 28th July, 2010 at 4:00 pm  

    C&P of a post from your link:

    “From the police letter:

    As I explained during our meeting, the officers concerned were executing a search warrant that related to an adjoining premises and mistakenly believed that the door to your premises was part of the building that they were searching. On entering, it became clear to the officers that they had made a mistake and they left, ensuring that you were notified. I know that you attended the mosque shortly afterwards and spoke with officers at the scene. I am informed and I think you confirmed the fact that there were no persons present in the mosque at the time.

    It was a mistake, the target wasn’t the NoI, the police didn’t even know the premises was a ‘mosque’. Hardly a great anti-black conspiracy, and hardly something for Operation Black Vote to get worked up about. Since when did an accident such as this have anything to do with a campaign to encourage black participation in elections anyway?”

    Is it possible the police didn’t recognise the building as a Mosque?
    Until recently I thought the infamous ‘Green Lane Mosque’ was still Small Heath Baths and many local Mosques are just ordinary houses.
    Is it not possible that OBV are just trouble making for the sake of it? A bit like that spat you had with Ligali.org

  3. GW — on 28th July, 2010 at 4:08 pm  

    A mountain out of a molehill. In this HP are ubdoubtably correct.

    GW

  4. David T — on 28th July, 2010 at 4:13 pm  

    I spoke to Ashok Viswanathan, who is one of the founders of OBV today.

    He told me that OBV was supporting the demonstration, and that OBV supports the Nation of Islam because it is engaged in “voter registration”. The demonstration was called by Lee Jasper, who is one of the founders of OBV.

    He then told me that it was not a racist organisation. I was very surprised by this response.

    If you are in any doubt as to the racist nature of the Nation of Islam, I would recommend that you read the contributions of Councillor Imran Khan in the comments which follows the call for the demonstration:

    http://operationblackvote.wordpress.com/2010/07/23/rally-against-nation-of-islam-mosque-raid-by-armed-police/

    You will see that a number of people who I assume are NoI support the racist statements that Councillor Khan complains of.

    I support OBV, because I think that democratic participation is important. But I cannot support an organisation which promotes demonstrations for a radically racist organisation, with historic links to fascism, particularly if its senior staff deny that it is a racist organisation.

    You should be concerned about this too.

  5. earwicga — on 28th July, 2010 at 5:52 pm  

    @8 – David T said nothing of the sort though did he? There’s no need to make stuff up – there’s plenty of stuff on HP to criticise.

  6. damon — on 28th July, 2010 at 6:02 pm  

    From Sunny’s OP

    Perhaps Standing doesn’t care for police raiding places of worship or other spaces because he’s not religious. It happens less now, but there used to be a long tradition of the police trying to intimidate groups by raiding their premises without little proof. You either take a stand against it – or you let the police run roughshod over local communities.

    That’s the important bit here. The highlighted words ‘used to’.

    And that’s why the crowd of people who will attend this demonstration will probably be as nutty as the commentators on the OBV website in the link given about this police raid.

    It’s typical Lee Jasper daftness – and he was the race and policing advisor to mayor Ken Livingstone.
    One of the reasons that Boris got in I think .. because people reacted against this kind of world view that was going on like it was still the 1980′s.

    I heard a report on the radio this morning that said that some young Nationalists from places like Belfast’s troubled Ardoyne area, where there was serious rioting against the police recently, had a sense of longing for The Troubles that they were too young to have lived through first hand, and felt they had missed out some way.

    There’s definitely some of that going on here I think.
    Simon Woolley is on record in the Guardian as saying: ”The majority of non black people in Britain think that black people are inferior” – which even if true, is a divisive and odd thing to say publicly.

  7. Sunny — on 28th July, 2010 at 6:02 pm  

    You should be concerned about this too.

    David T – you say nothing about what Douglas Murray said above. Do you endorse those words?

    If you don’t, why are you publishing people who work for his organisation?

  8. john — on 28th July, 2010 at 8:23 pm  

    “David T – you say nothing about what Douglas Murray said above. Do you endorse those words?”

    According to his own methodology of smear-by-association he is bang to rights and DOES endorse them.

    You just need to look at Harrys Place’s moderation policy which contains the most shocking vile attacks on Muslims while the slighest mildest criticism of Israel is deleted.

    “Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don’t want to hear.” indeed!!

  9. organic cheeseboard — on 29th July, 2010 at 2:40 pm  

    it’s just more lee jasper-kicking by hp sauce isn’t it? they really fucking hate him. not quite sure why.

    I support OBV, because I think that democratic participation is important. But I cannot support an organisation which promotes demonstrations for a radically racist organisation, with historic links to fascism, particularly if its senior staff deny that it is a racist organisation.

    so… you don’t support OBV.

    nice to see you back on teh internets david toube, i was beginning to tire of your ‘lucy lips’ alter ego.

    perhaps you could respond to the fact that you’re hosting material by people who work for far-right loons like douglas murray?

    using your own guilt-by-association technique, HP Sauce is fully supportive of Dougie Murray’s opinions, isn’t it?

  10. ¬AFAR — on 31st July, 2010 at 1:03 pm  

    God, I am so glad I do not live in the UK…

  11. DF — on 31st July, 2010 at 5:37 pm  

    Here is what Sunny had to say about Lee Jasper after Red Ken had shown Jasper the door:

    “Lee Jasper was one of those “race relations industry” activists that would accuse anyone and everyone of insitutional racism without having any nuanced analysis of what was going on.”

    Given that it was a mistake (see comment#2) it appears that Jasper is no different now than he was way back in PP’s heyday.

  12. douglas clark — on 31st July, 2010 at 10:03 pm  

    I think Edmund Standing stands, err, in in very difficult position.

    He appears to me to be making an industry out of extremists, be they pro or anti Muslim, pro or anti Fascist, whatever.

    But, the man does seem to be trying to say to us – “look, here be devils”.

    It is right that his voice is heard.

    It is wrong – imho – that disgusting little sects have become the subject of so much comment on blogs. Standing does us all a service by reading and reporting on the garbage they speak. For, in true whack a mole mode, if someone doesn’t do it then there is a danger that any of these nutters could evolve to being actually important.

    So far, they haven’t, and they probably won’t. But having a canary down the coal mine is probably a very good thing.

    It is as clear as the nose on my face that there will always be miniscule groupiscules – David T’s specialist subject should he ever go on Mastermind – that will say the most outrageous things, just for the crack.

    [Reviewing that last sentence there may be some doubt. David T's specialist subject is ineffectual and stupid little groups that he worry's about. Whether the nose on my face could be a subject for a Mastermind tilt is, sadly, debateable.]

    Anyway, Edmund Standing is possibly the only poster on Harrys’ Place to have had Sunny’s name in a strapline in a good way.

  13. douglas clark — on 31st July, 2010 at 10:04 pm  

    Oh! Bloody Hell Sunny!

    Give us back the edit.

  14. joe90 — on 1st August, 2010 at 3:35 am  

    Harrys place proof if need be that the drugs really don’t work.

  15. Graham — on 2nd August, 2010 at 4:50 pm  

    ‘I’ll assume that Edmund Standing and Harry’s Place blog writers agree with the above then, shall I?’

    I wouldn’t if I were you (given that some of us have argued with virtually everything Standing has ever said.)

    Getting to be a habit this having to remind you that HP is not a monolithic bloc of people all with the same views isn’t it?

  16. Tokyo Nambu — on 2nd August, 2010 at 5:06 pm  

    My grandfather was an ILP activitist in 1916. He spent a year in Wormwood Scrubs, hard labour, and two years in a “work camp” at Dartmoor Prison for his pains. Sunny Hundal is responding to blog postings read by a few hundred people with other blog postings read by a few hundred people, and so far as I can make out no-one involved in any of the blogwars, be in Pickled Politics, Guido Fawkes, Liberal Conspiracy, does anything other than whack out blog postings read by other people who write blog postings. Talk about an echo chamber.

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