It’s The Better Late Than Never Open Thread.


by Clairwil
17th December, 2006 at 2:18 pm    

Hello All,
I haven’t had a single minute to myself this weekend. With it being near Christmas my parents have been dragging me round various relatives to spread the misery or share the burden of their terrible disappointment.

A weekend just isn’t the same without an open thread or a Guardian wallchart. What is this mania for wallcharts the Guardian have? Can it be treated? Will it last much longer? I am not making this up but their latest wallchart is …oh God I can hardly bear to write this… of different types of Guardian readers. I wouldn’t mind but not one of them is anything like me. I feel excluded. This on top of their recent rejection of an article I wrote is a declaration of war as far as I’m concerned. I have long been baffled at their refusal to give me my own column and now this!

If the headline on tomorrows Guardian is ‘Clairwil-PISS OFF!’ I will not raise so much as an eyebrow in surprise.

Anyway unlike some, I am not an elitist snob, all are welcome below even if you’re not good enough for The Guardian. Lets have links to funny stuff, random chatter, amusing anecdotes, confessions of inappropriate drunken behaviour and anything else that might tickle the collective fancy.


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  1. Chairwoman — on 17th December, 2006 at 3:07 pm  

    I gave up the Guardian about 5 years ago, and my whole world instantly improved.

  2. The Ill Man — on 17th December, 2006 at 3:28 pm  

    Just about to pop out and use the last of the daylight, spend my christmas bonus(M&S vouchers)and then brace myself for the christmas onslaught.

    Ok, some links.

    Sanctimonious nonsense from Dr Phil.
    http://www.break.com/index/dr_phil_kicks_off_bumfights_creator.html

    Crap psychic.
    http://www.break.com/index/sylvia_brown_worlds_worst_psychic.html

  3. douglas clark — on 17th December, 2006 at 5:05 pm  

    Clairwill,

    In an attempt to get around the Ill Man, who is probably still suffering from yesterdays cosmic ordering catastrophe, I’d ask you directly on here to get people out to support young Mr Hundal on the CiF site. Obviously, subject to them not being too pissed off at his holidays. Here:

    http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/open_thread/2006/12/for_your_consideration.html

  4. Don — on 17th December, 2006 at 5:44 pm  

    Already done it, but had to register under another name, this one was ‘taken’.

  5. douglas clark — on 17th December, 2006 at 6:10 pm  

    The Ill Man,

    I cannot post to your blog. Apparently. Any clues? I am completely convinced that my dog pissed on your latest bridge – err, the real bridge and not the photo.

    So this will all come as a bit of a surprise to both your good self and Clairwil.

  6. The Ill Man — on 17th December, 2006 at 6:13 pm  

    “In an attempt to get around the Ill Man”

    Get around me? What am I? A roadblock?

    Yes, the cosmic ordering broke yesterday. It actually seemed to be working for a while though………….

  7. The Ill Man — on 17th December, 2006 at 6:20 pm  

    Douglas, you should be able to. Some people have problems using their blogger ID, so just use the alternatives.

  8. Jai — on 17th December, 2006 at 6:22 pm  

    Inspired by that CiF thread Douglas linked too, I think we should have an “End of Year Oscars” here on PP, where we can vote for other commenters under various categories…..

  9. Clairwil — on 17th December, 2006 at 7:11 pm  

    Jai,
    That is a splendid idea. Suggestions for categories and nominees please.

  10. sunray — on 17th December, 2006 at 7:18 pm  

    Did any one read about the the flight of Sunita Williams?
    It didnt make any headlines in the BBC asian network.
    I bet if she took a kebab and the Koran it would have made headline story.

  11. Don — on 17th December, 2006 at 7:56 pm  

    Most Monomaniacal? Most Pretentious? Most Depraved? Most Obtuse?

  12. douglas clark — on 17th December, 2006 at 8:08 pm  

    The Ill Man,

    I love you lots, in a macho, non gay sort of way. Obviously.

    I just couldn’t figure out how to post to your site, which I’d suggest everyone here looks at, out of interest. It is really good. And funny.

    My dog did pee on your photo, of bridge thingy, by the way.

    Clairwil,

    This is not a good idea. Jai has enough of an ego to know that he’s going to win this hands down anyway. And rightly. We don’t need to vote on the obvious….Do we?

  13. sonia — on 17th December, 2006 at 8:40 pm  

    better late than never indeed ! :-)

    ive spent the weekend taking it easy after a hectic time on friday night at the ‘work xmas do’. been doing some xmas shopping and trying to get things ready for the india trip!

  14. The Ill Man — on 17th December, 2006 at 8:57 pm  

    Aw cheers Douglas :D

    Does your dog have a thing for bridges or is it just coincidence?

  15. Clairwil — on 17th December, 2006 at 9:11 pm  

    I have a poll over on my blog to help the nation decide what action needs to be taken against Prince Edward. Get voting and stop this madman.

    http://clairwil.blogspot.com/2006/12/diana-killer-cheats-noose.html#links

  16. Anna — on 17th December, 2006 at 9:20 pm  

    This entry made me smile. The practises of daily newspapers make me feel unhinged as well.

    Things that make it all better:
    A puppy trying not to fall asleep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12PsUW-8ge4

  17. The Ill Man — on 17th December, 2006 at 9:26 pm  

    Let Spudgy Sleep!!

  18. ZinZin — on 17th December, 2006 at 9:39 pm  

    confessions of inappropriate drunken behaviour.

    I called an assistant manager (female) a minger on a staff outing. To compound matters further her Husband was present. Thankfully he was in a forgiving mood.

  19. Clairwil — on 17th December, 2006 at 9:50 pm  

    Fantastic Zin Zin,
    Keep them coming. Next weeks open thread will be the PP office party so plenty of scope for bad behaviour.

  20. Clairwil — on 17th December, 2006 at 9:53 pm  

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    For more about The Grameen Foundation

    http://www.grameenfoundation.org/who_we_are/

  21. Amir — on 17th December, 2006 at 9:54 pm  

    The Pickled Politics Awards (PPA): Nominations

    Most Monomaniacal? – Anas, Utbag, Sunny, Al-Hack

    Most Pretentious? – Amir, Sunny, Sid, Kismet Hardy

    Most Depraved? – Kismet Hardy, Amir, Vikrant

    Most Obtuse? – Al-Hack, Anas, Genghis, Waxon

    Most Rational? – Don, Arif, Jai, Bannabrain, Razib, Chris Stiles, Jai, Jagdeep

    Most Compassionate? – Rakhee, Raz, Katy, Clairwil, Chairwoman, Sonia, Mirax, Shariq

    Most PC? – Leon, Refresh, Sonia, Douglas Clark, Rakhee, Robert Sharp

    Most un-PC? – Razib, TFI, Bert Preast, Electro, ZinZin, Bikhair, JOnz, Mirax, Justforfun, Vikrant

    Most Comical? – Katy, Kismet Hardy, Rohin, Col. Mustapha

    Most Belligerent? – Amir, Sunny, Bikhair, Sid, Anas, El Cid, Sonia, Nyrone

    Most Diplomatic? – Jai, Arif, Clairwil, Sahil, Refresh, Chairwoman, Sabina Ahmed, Shariq, TFI

    Those are my nominations.

  22. Clairwil — on 17th December, 2006 at 10:30 pm  

    Cheers Amir,
    Keep them coming folks.

  23. ZinZin — on 17th December, 2006 at 10:51 pm  

    There will be more Clairwil. Those bastards will remind me.

  24. douglas clark — on 17th December, 2006 at 11:07 pm  

    The PPA.

    Most likely to create ridiculous lists: Amir, obviously.

  25. Amir — on 17th December, 2006 at 11:09 pm  

    “Most likely to create ridiculous lists: Amir, obviously.”

    You betcha!

    My Top Ten British Blogs

    1. Peter Hitchens
    2. Iain Dale
    3. The Devil’s Kitchen
    4. Mr. Eugenides
    5. Archbishop Cranmer
    6. Conservative Home
    7. Shuggy
    8. Tim Worstall
    9. Pickled Politics
    10. EU Referendum

    Amir

  26. Clairwil — on 17th December, 2006 at 11:31 pm  

    Here’s a quiz for you. There is one blogger on Amir’s list I hate more than anything in the world. Can you guess which one it is?

    Illman- you are forbidden to take part because you know the answer.

  27. Amir — on 17th December, 2006 at 11:36 pm  

    Clairwil – which list?

  28. Amir — on 17th December, 2006 at 11:37 pm  

    #10 Most Useless Journalists

    1. Johann Hari
    2. Maddy Bunting
    3. Gary Younge
    4. Arundhati Roy
    5. Richard Gott
    6. Simon Jenkins
    7. Jonathan Steele
    8. Faisal Bodi
    9. Osama Saeed
    10. Neil Clark

    There are many, many more…

  29. The Ill Man — on 17th December, 2006 at 11:50 pm  

    Aw!

    My lips are sealed. The person in question is a true bumwit though. Read their site for the first time the other day. Wish I hadn’t…………

  30. Clairwil — on 17th December, 2006 at 11:53 pm  

    Amir the one at 25.

  31. Amir — on 18th December, 2006 at 12:00 am  

    Surely you’re not referring to our beloved Devil? The humblest of all humble creatures?

    Timmy wouldn’t hurt a fly. Neither would Mr. E or Mr. Hitchens.

    Is it Conservative Home?

  32. Amir — on 18th December, 2006 at 12:05 am  

    #10 Most Useful Journalists

    1. Peter Hitchens
    2. Timothy Garton Ash
    3. Theodore Dalrymple
    4. Minette Marrin
    5. Rod Liddle
    6. Charles Moore
    7. Boris Johnson
    8. Daniel Finkelstein
    9. Matthew Parris
    10. Peter Tatchell

    Not too many more I can think of.

  33. The Ill Man — on 18th December, 2006 at 12:20 am  

    Rod Liddle has some atheist baiting thing on the haunted fishtank. Was it on tonight? If it was I’ll be very annoyed……I was looking forward to that. Obviously he was as bored by Dicky Dawkins and his “shooting fish in a barrel” approach to religion as I was.

  34. Don — on 18th December, 2006 at 1:09 am  

    Liddle is a jerk. I have evidence, but this isn’t the place to present it.

  35. Amir — on 18th December, 2006 at 1:41 am  

    Liddle, in my opinion, is a First Class journalist.

    I like his prose – dry, witty, empirical, silky smooth and free from impervious bunk. It’s very refreshing.

  36. Refresh — on 18th December, 2006 at 2:07 am  

    Amir

    “Liddle, in my opinion, is a First Class journalist.” – one reason the profession should fear its future.

    I believe you listed some of the others in #32.

  37. Amir — on 18th December, 2006 at 2:18 am  

    #10 Shitiest Blogs par excellence

    1. Lenin’s Tomb
    2. Oliver Kamm
    3. Jews sans frontieres
    4. Respect Blog
    5. Bloggers4Labour
    6. Osama Saeed
    7. Shoot Johann Hari
    8. The Suspect Paki
    9. Islamophobia Watch
    10. Opinionated Voice

    There are many, many more…

  38. Amir — on 18th December, 2006 at 2:22 am  

    Two blogs I miss:

    1. Daily Ablution
    2. Blimpish

  39. Nyrone — on 18th December, 2006 at 2:44 am  

    Amir, I’m not belligerent at all…
    Actually, perhaps I am….but probably not…

    anyway, how on earth do you have time to read all these blogs and personalities? how old are you? Do you have a job? You are obviously well read, but still…do you have some kind of super powers? Are you in the X-Men? well, thanks for the lists..The Devils Kitchen is a great blog, can’t believe I had never even heard of it before.

    anyway, the weekend is over….
    and I am reading the works of one of my fav poets Wislawa Szymborska…
    It never ceases to amaze me how much more moved I find myself by simple poetry than by ultra-descriptive articles.
    I’ll share it here below:

    The End

    After every war
    someone has to clean up.
    Things won’t
    straighten themselves up, after all.

    Someone has to push the rubble
    to the sides of the road,
    so the corpse-laden wagons
    can pass.

    Someone has to get mired
    in scum and ashes,
    sofa springs,
    splintered glass,
    and bloody rags.

    Someone must drag in a girder
    to prop up a wall,
    Someone must glaze a window,
    rehang a door.

    Photogenic it’s not,
    and takes years.
    All the cameras have left
    for another war.

    Again we’ll need bridges
    and new railway stations.
    Sleeves will go ragged
    from rolling them up.

    Someone, broom in hand,
    still recalls how it was.
    Someone listens
    and nods with unsevered head.
    Yet others milling about
    already find it dull.

    From behind the bush
    sometimes someone still unearths
    rust-eaten arguments
    and carries them to the garbage pile.

    Those who knew
    what was going on here
    must give way to
    those who know little.
    And less than little.
    And finally as little as nothing.

    In the grass which has overgrown
    reasons and causes,
    someone must be stretched out
    blade of grass in his mouth
    gazing at the clouds.

  40. Sunny — on 18th December, 2006 at 7:21 am  

    This is the weekend thread folks, no more politics is the only rule. Please stick to it…. so Amir – enough of the trolling thanks.

  41. Sunny — on 18th December, 2006 at 7:40 am  

    whoa, there’s a CIF best blogger competition going on? Just what I need… more popularity contests I’m so gonna lose at. Please don’t vote for me! I don’t want to be accused of trying to influence the numbers.

  42. Leon — on 18th December, 2006 at 11:10 am  

    Most PC? – Leon, Refresh, Sonia, Douglas Clark, Rakhee, Robert Sharp

    Hahahahhahahahhaha! Funniest Comedian 2006: Amir!

    :D

  43. sonia — on 18th December, 2006 at 11:29 am  

    me ! belligerent !??

    wow Amir i’m impressed! :-) by golly – i must have made some impact..

    * toddles off laughing *

  44. sonia — on 18th December, 2006 at 11:32 am  

    ha i lose all ‘popularity contests’ sunny – so don’t worry – you won’t be the one at the bottom. But just think folks – Leon – this is all thanks to you in the first place ( you know–you pointed me in the direction of the list that came into existence thanks to Iain Dale’s top political blogs only looking at party affiliations and labour tory and lib dems..)- I managed to make it to the daily ( maybe’s) top 5 Green Bloggers – one position after George Monbiot. How about that :-)

    id better go off and sort some self-publicity out. *im far too retiring and modest*

    ;-)

  45. Leon — on 18th December, 2006 at 11:55 am  

    Oh crap you’re right, it is my fault. Caught in a web of my own good intentions yet again…*runs for the hills for he is not the man that likes self publicity*

  46. sonia — on 18th December, 2006 at 12:05 pm  

    heh heh leon..i know what you mean.!

    oh dear nyrone’s right – the weekend is over! shit..got one week to get all my work done, and sort out all the planning for the trip..

  47. Jai — on 18th December, 2006 at 12:08 pm  

    Douglas,

    =>”Jai has enough of an ego to know that he’s going to win this hands down anyway.”

    Me ? Not sure about that — there are plenty of other positive commenters here, some of whom are far more prolific than me. Very nice of you to say so, though.

    =>”Most Rational? – Don, Arif, Jai, Bannabrain, Razib, Chris Stiles, Jai, Jagdeep”

    Thanks Amir. By the way, I guess I’m so damn rationale that I was nominated twice for the same category ! ;)

    Clairwil,

    =>”Suggestions for categories and nominees please.”

    It depends on how you (and Sunny) want to do this. We can have completely serious categories, or we can have light-hearted humorous categories (or a combination of the two).

  48. Leon — on 18th December, 2006 at 12:21 pm  

    got one week to get all my work done

    Heh, know the feeling although we break this Wednesday (and don’t come back till Thursday Jan 4th!).:)

    Looking forward to the holidays more than ever this year…

  49. sonia — on 18th December, 2006 at 12:22 pm  

    ah amir i see myself in the most compassionate category – well that’s nice! ;-) so im compassionate as well as belligerent. Heh heh!?

  50. sonia — on 18th December, 2006 at 12:23 pm  

    you break on wed. ! damn leon that’s good! i suppose i can’t complain, my ‘little charity’ is closed all xmas week..

  51. sonia — on 18th December, 2006 at 12:23 pm  

    jai – heh heh well spotted that! amir must have had you on the brain.

  52. Nice Uncle Andy — on 18th December, 2006 at 12:27 pm  

    A lot of you wannabes pretend to be cynical at Xmas. Please visit here and find out why you thank God you are not me.

    http://thegallows.typepad.com/the_gallows/questions_for_diana/index.html

  53. Leon — on 18th December, 2006 at 12:36 pm  

    you break on wed. ! damn leon that’s good! i suppose i can’t complain, my ‘little charity’ is closed all xmas week..

    Yup, it’s very cool although it wouldn’t have happened if the Assistant Director was around when the decision was made (he was in the States). He wanted to work till Friday…:(

  54. sonia — on 18th December, 2006 at 12:37 pm  

    eugh. gross! im not cynical about xmas. did you folks know that london is supposed to be viewed as such a ‘christmassy city’ and evokes christmas so well that everyone troops over for a city break round about now..

  55. Sid — on 18th December, 2006 at 12:59 pm  

    Belligerent and pretentious, moi?
    There’s a compliment in there somewhere…

  56. Amir — on 18th December, 2006 at 1:39 pm  

    Sid,…

    I’m belligerent, pretentious, and depraved.

    Sounds pretty accurate to me!;-)

  57. sonia — on 18th December, 2006 at 1:49 pm  

    i guess i should be flattered amir thinks im belligerent..

  58. Amir — on 18th December, 2006 at 1:55 pm  

    Sonia,

    “Combative” is a more accurate descriptive.

    If, however, there was an award for prettiest pickler, you’d be my first choice. 8)

    There’s nothing sexier than an argumentative Bangladeshi. ;-)

    No-sirrreee

  59. sonia — on 18th December, 2006 at 2:10 pm  

    well amir, you’ve redeemed yourself in my eyes now with that piece of blatant flattery :-) hmm combative i could live with!

  60. Amir — on 18th December, 2006 at 2:26 pm  

    Sonia,

    There’s a difference between “blatant flattery” and “blatant honesty.” When it comes to your elegant looks and regal complexion, I am speaking candidly. “Flattery,” on the other hand, demands a great deal of exaggeration and embellishment – you could say “sycophancy”.

    I, of course, am being honest. 8)

  61. Amir — on 18th December, 2006 at 2:37 pm  

    Nyrone

    (1) “how on earth do you have time to read all these blogs and personalities?”

    I am unable to quench my unquenchable thirst for knowledge. “Reading” comes naturally to me. It doesn’t take long.

    (2) how old are you?

    22

    (3) Do you have a job?

    Yes, I work for a VERY important man in the Conservative Party.

    Amir

    [Okay, maybe I’ve said too much.]

  62. sonia — on 18th December, 2006 at 2:49 pm  

    60. amir – Heh.. you’re good aren’t ya! Right – so does that mean i have the prettiest pickler award under my belt then? ;-)

  63. Leon — on 18th December, 2006 at 3:06 pm  

    Yes, I work for a VERY important man in the Conservative Party.

    Oh yeah? Now you’ve got my attention. Expect emails.;)

  64. justforfun — on 18th December, 2006 at 3:11 pm  

    Amir – thanks for the non-PC nomination.

    In the light of your youth and your job – here is some free advice. If your boss offers you an orange, make sure he peels it first. If he doesn’t then back out the door fast.

    Justforfun

  65. Amir — on 18th December, 2006 at 3:26 pm  

    Sonia,

    Beauty is a very subjective thing. (My own opinions on the matter tend to coincide with those of the classical Greeks.) So, inevitably, it’s always going to generate a few qualms and quarrels.

    STILL, if I was appointed to a PP panel on beauty, I’d be one of your most enthusiastic and zealous of supporters. ;-)

    Amir

  66. Amir — on 18th December, 2006 at 3:36 pm  

    Justforfun,

    Hahahahahahaha! :-)

  67. Amir — on 18th December, 2006 at 3:42 pm  

    Leon,

    Heh heh! You don’t expect me to kiss & tell do you? ;-)

  68. Leon — on 18th December, 2006 at 3:55 pm  

    Amir,

    Heheh, it would be interesting to see who you know and compare to who I know.;)

  69. sonia — on 18th December, 2006 at 4:11 pm  

    go on then..spill the beans.!

  70. ZinZin — on 18th December, 2006 at 4:12 pm  

    Amir

    Most Useful Journalists
    No.7 Boris Johnson
    Amir that man wins Upper class twit of the year every time.

    Miss PP contest thats not very PC. How about a wet T-shirt contest?

    (imitates Father Jack)
    More water

  71. sonia — on 18th December, 2006 at 4:25 pm  

    we shouldn’t be having contests anyway – all this competitiveness isn’t in the spirit of the season ;-) we should be collaborating :-)

  72. ZinZin — on 18th December, 2006 at 4:27 pm  

    Sonia only the French collaborate.

  73. SpoonShadow — on 18th December, 2006 at 4:28 pm  

    You could run a thread on hypocritical arsewipes who run blogs under George Orwell’s comment about Freedom being ‘the right to tell people what they don’t want to know’ and then ban people if they attempt to do exactly that.

  74. sonia — on 18th December, 2006 at 4:31 pm  

    heh hehe :-)

  75. ZinZin — on 18th December, 2006 at 4:37 pm  

    Stop moaning and find another blog. They probably had many good reasons to ban you.

  76. SpoonShadow — on 18th December, 2006 at 4:41 pm  

    ”Stop moaning and find another blog. They probably had many good reasons to ban you. ”

    I criticised somone for claiming all Muslims are anti-semites. I thought that was a reasonable arguement.

  77. ZinZin — on 18th December, 2006 at 4:48 pm  

    Anything else?

  78. SpoonShadow — on 18th December, 2006 at 4:55 pm  

    ”Anything else?”

    I said he ‘trivialised anti-asemitism everytime his opposing-thimb free hands slapped the keyboard’. As he had just referred to the entire left of the political spectrum as ‘anti-semitic cunts’ I thought that was rather mild.

    Still, Harry’s Place needs it’s boot-boys to do its dirty work, doesn’t it?

  79. justforfun — on 18th December, 2006 at 4:56 pm  

    Amir – glad you got the joke :-)

    Justforfun

  80. Vikrant Singh — on 18th December, 2006 at 5:46 pm  

    Creepy!!! Some HuT fellas from Wikipedia whom i banned, have ‘tracked’ me down in real life…. They even tried to contact me on my familys home phone! Can i report them to police (it appears they gleaned my contact adresses and phone numbers from public domain sources (BT Directory!)….)

    As for Wikipedia.. I’m up for trial folks… yep tis is a big one (got 28 counsels on my defense team!)…. Wikipedia’s powerful Muslim Guild has taken me yet again to ArbComm asking that they revoke my Wikipedia Administratorship! So in case you people have Wikipedia accounts do add a few kind words at my hearing, its scheduled to begin tomorrow!

  81. Sahil — on 18th December, 2006 at 5:53 pm  

    ^^^ Are you serious Vikrant?? That’s screwed up. Have they said anything serious? If I’d were you, I give the police a ring and see whether they could do something.

  82. Don — on 18th December, 2006 at 5:55 pm  

    I nominate Vikrant as ‘Most Impressive For His Years’ Pickler. Even though he is a Tory.

  83. Amir — on 18th December, 2006 at 6:07 pm  

    Amey,

    That’s seriously messed up. I ‘effing hate Pizza HuT. Had the displeasure of meeting a few of their so-called “activists” in London. You should write an article for PP about their Mafioso-esque methods. They need to be exposed.

  84. Amir — on 18th December, 2006 at 6:09 pm  

    Don,

    Amey deserves “Most Impressive Pickler” for his Stoic-like resistance to Malaria.

  85. Amir — on 18th December, 2006 at 6:11 pm  

    ZinZin,

    “Miss PP contest thats not very PC. How about a wet T-shirt contest?”

    That’s what I like to hear! :-)

  86. Vikrant Singh — on 18th December, 2006 at 6:13 pm  

    ^^^ Are you serious Vikrant?? That’s screwed up. Have they said anything serious? If I’d were you, I give the police a ring and see whether they could do something.

    Well my cousin answered the call. All she heard was Vikrant… Wikipedia and torrent of Punjabi curses! Anyways i’m not really *that* worried (i’m no longer based in UK!). But still its quite unnerving. All i know that the nutjobs attend Imperial College.

    Wikipedia has turned into a battleground of late. Zionists, Hindutvadis, Islamists all have powerfuls underground cabals over there. Its like a big propoganda war. I’ve been accused of “leading Inquisitorial squads against Muslim editors” by Islamists! Looks like i’ll have to turn in my admin badge finally :(

  87. Amir — on 18th December, 2006 at 6:16 pm  

    Viki,

    Don’t despair over Wiki.

    Report those bastards to the police. Notify Imperial.

  88. Jai — on 18th December, 2006 at 6:17 pm  

    Vikrant/Amey,

    =>”They even tried to contact me on my familys home phone! Can i report them to police”

    Do it. Get a restraining order issued against them too. Presumably they’re also breaking some anti-harrassment laws by their actions.

  89. Vikrant Singh — on 18th December, 2006 at 6:18 pm  

    Anyways my mums darn angry… I’ve been getting angry calls from the both sides of Atlantic over my irresponsible delaings over the internet!

  90. ZinZin — on 18th December, 2006 at 6:20 pm  

    Spoonshadow

    you have every right to be peeved that you have been banned but i suggest that you find another blog and carve yourself a niche. It what i have done since being banned by Cif.

    I will ask HP themselves.

  91. Vikrant Singh — on 18th December, 2006 at 6:22 pm  

    Do it. Get a restraining order issued against them too. Presumably they’re also breaking some anti-harrassment laws by their actions.

    The problem is I dont know who the fuck phoned me… There over a gazillion people on Wikipedia!

    I only have a vague suspicion on this guy ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Street_Scholar ). But thats just based on my past dealings with him…

  92. Jai — on 18th December, 2006 at 6:28 pm  

    Vikrant,

    =>”The problem is I dont know who the fuck phoned me… There over a gazillion people on Wikipedia!”

    Ask your mother to tell the police and just let them deal with it. There are ways to track these people down. “Nuisance calls” are illegal in the UK, I believe.

  93. Vikrant Singh — on 18th December, 2006 at 6:30 pm  

    Anyways i was just on phone with my mum, i’ve decided to take the easiest way out. Quit Wikipedia.

  94. sabinaahmed — on 18th December, 2006 at 6:30 pm  

    I should be grateful that am being called a Pickler, I thought I mostly talked to myself,a sort of non-entity really! I dont think am very diplomatic in my articles. Have had really angry emails,from lots of people including the Panorama! Anyway thanks for including me.
    Just out of interest,Rod Liddle is presenting a programme on C4 at 8pm called “the trouble with atheism”. Should be worth a look.

  95. Vikrant Singh — on 18th December, 2006 at 6:31 pm  

    BTW my mum did contact police…

  96. Jai — on 18th December, 2006 at 6:36 pm  

    ^^^Great. Nail ‘em.

    A Rajput does not leave the battlefield and just hand victory to his foes on a silver platter, Vikrant.

  97. Vikrant Singh — on 18th December, 2006 at 6:43 pm  

    A Rajput does not leave the battlefield and just hand victory to his foes on a silver platter, Vikrant.

    Haha… thanks for reminding me Jai, but this Rajput isnt going to be goaded back to Wikipedia by that ole cliche!

    I’ve been contributing to Wikipedia for over 3 years… I’ve contributed significantly to over 3000+ different articles. But of late it has become a stressful work. Being and administrator on Wikipedia is like a thankless job. Wikipedia can never be a ‘true’ encyclopedia. Fundys have made a sewer out it in past few months…

  98. Jai — on 18th December, 2006 at 6:49 pm  

    Fair enough Vikrant — a good general is someone who also knows when to retreat and cut his losses, as someone famous once said. I can’t remember who, though ;)

    My previous point was specifically referring to getting the police onto the idiots harrassing you. Your family shouldn’t let them get away with this. It’s good to hear that your mother’s already contacted the relevant authorities.

  99. Vikrant Singh — on 18th December, 2006 at 6:52 pm  

    Fair enough Vikrant — a good general is someone who also knows when to retreat and cut his losses, as someone famous once said.

    If only my medieval Rajput predecessors knew that! Rajput code of Battle was such a crap.

  100. Refresh — on 18th December, 2006 at 6:53 pm  

    Fascinating Vikrant – its a story in itself.

    The right thing to do is to inform the police.

    The other point is to follow guidelines on ID the best you can, and protect yourself (as I and everyone else should).

    Not sure I agree with the cry of Rajputs never leaving the field. Don’t let egos get in the way of common sense.

    And finally, it seems to me no one has any idea whether HuT have anything to do with it at all. Although it is a good headline grabber.

  101. Vikrant Singh — on 18th December, 2006 at 6:55 pm  

    Anyways just to lighten the mood up!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P%C4%81%E1%B9%87ini&oldid=93947182
    Pāṇini (Devanāgarī: पाणिनि, IPA: [pɑːɳɪn̪ɪ]) was an Ancient Pakistani grammarian from Gandhara..

    Its 3 am at where i’m… G’nite fellas.

  102. Jai — on 18th December, 2006 at 6:56 pm  

    Refresh,

    =>”Not sure I agree with the cry of Rajputs never leaving the field. Don’t let egos get in the way of common sense.”

    Agreed completely, although that’s not quite what I was referring to, as mentioned in post #98. I was talking about getting the police involved (along with initiating the appropriate legal action), not the decision of leaving Wikipedia. The latter may be a good idea if the experience is becoming more hassle than it’s worth for Vikrant.

  103. Vikrant Singh — on 18th December, 2006 at 6:57 pm  

    And finally, it seems to me no one has any idea whether HuT have anything to do with it at all. Although it is a good headline grabber.

    Well their political allegiances are fairly obvious to me. These guys may not be HuT members but they sire are HuT supporters!

  104. Refresh — on 18th December, 2006 at 7:04 pm  

    Vikrant,

    Well if you actually know them, then it should be relatively easy to get it dealt with.

  105. Vikrant Singh — on 18th December, 2006 at 7:08 pm  

    Well i dont actually know who called my house (i’m not based in UK anymore!), but yes i do have my suspects.

  106. ZinZin — on 18th December, 2006 at 7:10 pm  

    Well Vikrant you should be honoured that you are considered such a threat to the establishment of the Caliphate.

    Wise decision. Shame it had to be made.

  107. Refresh — on 18th December, 2006 at 7:20 pm  

    Vikrant, when you got a mo. Let us know the background. Is it over some historical points? Or interpretion? I know you mentioned it before but clearly its gotten livelier.

  108. Clairwil — on 18th December, 2006 at 10:12 pm  

    Good God has the world gone mad?
    Vikrant, just say the word and I’ll kick the crank caller in the stones.

    Jai,
    I think we should keep the awards on the light side. Less chance of a comments box riot.

    Amir,
    I’ve said too much but I’m very fond of The Devils Kitchen. Fine chap, won’t hear a word against him. Are you really the right hand man of the most important Tory in England?

    SpoonShadow,
    I want to take you under my wing.

    ***Let’s continue this thread till someone posts something else. The weekend continues……

  109. Leon — on 18th December, 2006 at 10:48 pm  

    *watches with mild interest*

  110. Amir — on 18th December, 2006 at 11:27 pm  

    Clairwil

    ‘Are you really the right hand man of the most important Tory in England?’

    I have a very good job. ;-) That’s all I’m saying. As Henry Kissinger once put it: “Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.”

  111. Amir — on 18th December, 2006 at 11:29 pm  

    Here’s another good Kissinger quote:

    “Intelligence is not all that important in the exercise of power, and is often, in point of fact, useless.”

    Here, here.

  112. ZinZin — on 18th December, 2006 at 11:30 pm  

    “Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.”

    In that case why was John Major shagging Edwina Currie?

  113. Amir — on 18th December, 2006 at 11:33 pm  

    “In that case why was John Major shagging Edwina Currie?”

    True. But then again, Lembit Opik is now shagging a Cheeky Girl.

  114. Sahil — on 18th December, 2006 at 11:34 pm  

    Did anyone see the show by Liddle about aethism today (18/12/2006) on channel 4?? I remember that I had a few issues with people saying the term ‘militant’ aethism was wrong and that aethists have never commited mass murder, directly due to their aethist belief?? BTW don’t want to derail happy thread, might want to go here:

    http://community.channel4.com/6/ubb.x?a=frm&s=162603557&f=69460501

  115. ZinZin — on 18th December, 2006 at 11:35 pm  

    True. But then again, Lembit Opik is now shagging a Cheeky Girl.

    Some people will do anything for a visa.

  116. Sid — on 18th December, 2006 at 11:37 pm  

    Sid [belligerantly and pretentiously]: Kissinger was a dirty amoral cocksucker. Hitchens, C will tell you that.

  117. Leon — on 18th December, 2006 at 11:53 pm  

    I remember that I had a few issues with people saying the term ‘militant’ aethism was wrong and that aethists have never commited mass murder, directly due to their aethist belief??

    What a waste that programme was…anyway, I saw this online a few weeks back (it was in reference to another idiot who tried to smear Atheists in the usual manner). Made a good point I thought:

    Nicholas D. Kristof points out that atheists like Mao and Stalin committed atrocities. But their atrocities were not committed in the name of atheism, whereas atrocities committed by organized religious groups were committed in the names of their religions.

    This is a rather important distinction.

  118. Sahil — on 19th December, 2006 at 12:01 am  

    Hi Leon, I agree the communist analogy is a waste of time and cheapens the argument. Frankly all people did was substitute, god with Stalin or who ever. My point was more with the issue of untestability, or the nonpositive nature of god. Essentially whats the point of holding a atheist position. Also what’s the definition of an atheist?? I’m getting really confused. BTW here’s an excellent post from the channel 4 site from FALLOUTPHILL:

    “This is partially inspired after watching Liddle’s pretty weak prod at…. well I’m not sure what his point was, but a few points based on that and a more general look at Atheism, Science and Religion. I’ll use Rob’s script to bounce points off, but I’m more interested to see if people can defend religion as a model to further mankind’s understanding of the world, in a measurable, tangible way:

    * He seems to get scientific method and Atheism confused. They are quite different. Atheism in itself is pointless, it’s the belief that something doesn’t exist and is thus null as a system of any type. Just as we don’t have a word for someone who doesn’t believe in unicorns, there is no need to label yourself it an ‘Atheist’?
    * Secularism is also different to atheism and again science. There is nothing wrong with secularism. That’s just keeping religion out of the state’s pool of reason. In any multi (or non) religious society, this is the only way to properly represent everyone. Unless you think we can merge the teaching of all religions into one cohesive set of rules? Don’t be daft.
    * Science cannot, and does not endevour to replace religion in any way. It is a system for testing frameworks that seek to model observed phenomena. It is by it’s own definition incapable of providing any truth, only a limited understanding as restricted by said framework’s assumptions. The concept of ‘truth’ is not something that should interest a scientist. It’s a pointless pseudo-intellectual posturing, of absolutely zero worth. The realm of hippies and religious crackpots. The only questions of any worth is that of model accuracy, efficiency and usability.
    * Science is also not a moral code, nor can one be derived from it. Science indeed does not require morals, nor should it. The choice of what is acceptable and what is not, it up to politicians, the courts and the scientists, but never the science. Any misuse is merely perceived, and thus subjective.
    * Rob’s lack of understanding of the these points seemed to send him on a mini-quest to disprove Darwinism in an attempt to rattle a few atheist cages. No doubt this will work, but he’ll only manage to awake the idiot-beast in atheism’s less lucid corridors. Religious people may see this a unexpected point scoring, but the people how are angered by this have exactly same flaws in there understanding as is so readily churned out by all religions. If he had understood these points, perhaps he would have pointed out:
    o Disproving Darwinism does not in anyway disprove or even come close to disproving Atheism, given that Darwinism is a scientific framework and Atheism is a lack of a belief in something. Atheism in this sense is every bit as stupid as religion.
    o Any proper scientist would relish the disproving of Darwinism (or any other theory) as breaking a framework is the first stage in developing a new one. In fact this is why Science and Religion are so completely and utterly different. This *really* *really* is the key point – that he touched on, but ultimately failed to make much of:
    + It is inherently necessary and desirable to break science to further it. Breaking religion destroys it by it’s own stipulation of absolute truth. This is also why religion as a system is a load of rubbish, irrespective of whether God exists or not. God either doesn’t exist, or he is a terrible theorist!
    o Fundamentalist Atheists who align themselves to Darwin or any other theory to the point that they believe in it like a God (as Rob often suggested, and seemed to relish the notion that all non-religious scientists must fit this glove) are no better than religious people. As I said, theories merely provide a model, they are neither right or wrong, at best they are more or less accurate than another given model. They are ultimately throwaway in nature.
    * Where does leave intelligent design? Well clearly this is not a model of any depth, and tells us nothing about a given system and irrespective of the accuracy of Darwin’s model, is of no worth whatsoever. Again, it’s irrelevant whether God exists or not, if I wrote a computer program that modeled I.D. what insight would I get? None. So you can’t compare them, other than to say that Darwinism is in the very least an interesting model, and I.D. is a waste of time. I.D. be a one line program – while (God==True) print “God Made This”!
    * It is fair to say that a true scientist is agnostic. But this is no win for religion. By the same logic as Dawkins rightly pointed out, I believe in God as much as I believe in fairies. I agree with him on this point. This was one of the few well put points in the whole program.

    It largely apparent to me that this debate is stale, pointless and unresolvable. The question we should ask is what REAL insight can be gained from taking in a religion. What does the religious model allow us to say about the phenomena we see? The answer is practically nothing. Thus even if God does exist, his methods are old, tied and fall short of modern human endevour. Our methods supercede his. We don’t replace his methods, we show that they are redundant, as a model. There is therefore nothing to replace.

    This is why the world would be better without religion. Because without us he definitely doesn’t exist in any observable sense, and thus he needs us a lot more than we need him.

    I say real or (almost certainly) not, we should stop bickering and just cut him loose. The future is ours, God is at best, an impotent spectator of his own lousy model.”

  119. Leon — on 19th December, 2006 at 12:04 am  

    Essentially whats the point of holding a atheist position

    I think we’ve just violated the rules of the open thread…with that I’m going to bite down hard on my tongue and say nothing further on here about this (at least till the New Year).

  120. Sahil — on 19th December, 2006 at 12:07 am  

    I agree I think I’ll head over to the C4 site :)

  121. Amir — on 19th December, 2006 at 12:21 am  

    Amir [belligerently and pretentiously and salaciously],

    “The Trial of Henry Kissinger” is a rip-roaring read. But it relies, all too often, on discreditable source material and spurious subtractions. For instance, I’m unconvinced by Hitchens’ suggestion that Kissinger was partially responsible for the prolongation of the Vietnam War, which of course, cost the lives of millions of Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laotians – not to mention many thousands of US servicemen. It is true to say that Kissinger orchestrated the murder of General Schneider in Chile, and involved himself in a plan to murder Archbishop Makarios in Cyprus, but I’m unconvinced by the evidence that implicates him in the incitement and enabling of genocide in East Timor. Kissinger acted amorally when he betrayed the Iraqi Kurds and gave his support for South African destabilisation of Angola, but Hitchens is too simplistic and ethically unrealistic when it comes to Chile and the “dirty hands” dilemma facing the US Administration.

    STILL, from a Machiavellian perspective, Kissinger is a diplomatic genius of unmitigated proportions. So much so, in fact, that it sends a tingle down my spine just thinking about it.

  122. Sid — on 19th December, 2006 at 12:51 am  

    Only those young elites schooled in Eton/Harrow or an auto-erotic Tory could be belligerant, pretentious and salacious at the same time. ;-)

  123. Amir — on 19th December, 2006 at 1:03 am  

    Just for record: I went to a state school. :-)

  124. Amir — on 19th December, 2006 at 1:04 am  

    Just for the record: I went to a state school. :-)

  125. Amir — on 19th December, 2006 at 1:09 am  

    Here’s an excellent article in today’s Times by Bangladeshi human rights lawyer Zia Haider Rahman.

    Multicultural madness.

  126. Don — on 19th December, 2006 at 1:11 am  

    Sahil,

    #118. Loud applause. Liddle must have known he was misrepresenting the scientific method with his ‘sacred text’ and ‘absolute truth’. Shabby and slippery hucksterism.

  127. Amir — on 19th December, 2006 at 1:12 am  

    Incidentally, that’s one of the many things that pisses me off about London. I hate the fact that SO MANY people don’t speak English. It makes my blood boil. It really does.

  128. Don — on 19th December, 2006 at 1:15 am  

    Amir,

    #121. Thanks for the insight into current Tory thinking on ethical policies. Add that to Dave’s ‘Let the sunshine in’ vibe and I’m convinced.

  129. Amir — on 19th December, 2006 at 1:22 am  

    Don,

    “#121. Thanks for the insight into current Tory thinking on ethical policies.”

    #121 has nothing whatsoever to do with the Conservative Party or its Shadow Cabinet. I was giving my own opinion on one of Henry Kissinger’s most rapacious critics, Christopher Hitchens. If you want the lowdown on Mr. Cameron’s “thinking” then I recommend the following the purchase.

  130. Sunny — on 19th December, 2006 at 5:04 am  

    Sahil, that cut-n-paste job makes excellent reading. Thanks for putting it here, the guy makes some great points.

  131. Sahil — on 19th December, 2006 at 9:40 am  

    #130 No Probs Sunny, hope LA is shining. I still think PP one day should have a thread about atheism. Frankly I know little as to why someone would be a ‘strict’ atheist as opposed to an agnostic position. I would be good to hear some points.

  132. Leon — on 19th December, 2006 at 10:04 am  

    I think the issue here is-gah! Not again!!

  133. ZinZin — on 19th December, 2006 at 6:29 pm  

    Read sunnys peice on Cif today.
    http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/sunny_hundal/2006/12/making_excuses_for_war.html

    My question is do Amis, Rushdie and McEwan have such power and influence over public opinion and our political elites?

  134. Amir — on 19th December, 2006 at 7:13 pm  

    ZinZin,

    I’m actually quite disappointed that he wrote it. It’s so frivolous and intellectually lazy – laden with historical inaccuracies and false interpolations. The proposed link between “poverty” and “terrorism”, for example, got debunked a long time ago by Walter Laqueur and Bruce Hoffman, yet Sunny seems to endorse it like a horny feline on a triple dose of catnip. I hate it when journalists don’t do their research.

  135. ZinZin — on 19th December, 2006 at 7:31 pm  

    He is defending a friend when he would be doing him a better service by correcting him. That is why it is a poor article.

  136. Sid — on 19th December, 2006 at 11:57 pm  

    Sunny,

    That’s the best thing you’ve written on CiF since the NGN thingy. V for Vehemence is how I’d describe it. Amir, your comment is useless and irrelevent as ever. When will you stop linking to shitty airport lounge potboilers on amazon? You don’t read them, so why the fuck should I?

    I think Sardar, with all due respect, was baing a tad belligerent and pretentious in that piece of his. And I know all about belligerent and pretentious.

    This is my comment on Sardar’s piece, where I question why Sardar is even bothering with these three has-beens anyway. Most of all Ian McEwan, who probably reads Harry’s Place for inspiration for writing bourgeois shite that even the gobshites on Newsnight Review would find embarassing to discuss with any seriousness.

  137. douglas clark — on 20th December, 2006 at 6:46 am  

    Zinzin,
    (133)

    You asked a legitimate question:

    “My question is do Amis, Rushdie and McEwan have such power and influence over public opinion and our political elites?”

    I must admit, Amis’s attempt to get inside the head of Mohhamed Atta was as good at it gets for explaining a suicide bomber. Whether it was right or not, is, of course, an entirely different question.

    Although his dig at Qutb in the other article he did has the ring of truth about it. It is even quite funny:

    “Then came the traumatic incident with the drunken, semi-naked woman. Sayyid thought she was an American agent hired to seduce him, or so he later told his biographer, who wrote that ‘the encounter successfully tested his resolve to resist experiences damaging to his identity as an Egyptian and a Muslim’. God knows what the episode actually amounted to. It seems probable that the liquored-up Mata Hari, the dipsomaniacal nudist, was simply a woman in a cocktail dress who, perhaps, had recently drunk a cocktail. Still, we can continue to imagine Sayyid barricading himself into his cabin while, beyond the door, the siren sings her song.”

    The evidence for the defence of Sayyid, at least in the piece is not good:

    “Qutb joins a club – where an epiphany awaits him. ‘The dance is inflamed by the notes of the gramophone,’ he wrote; ‘the dance-hall becomes a whirl of heels and thighs, arms enfold hips, lips and breasts meet, and the air is full of lust.’ You’d think that the father of Islamism had exposed himself to an early version of Studio 54 or even Plato’s Retreat. But no: the club he joined was run by the church, and what he is describing, here, is a chapel hop in Greeley, Colorado. And Greeley, Colorado, in 1949, was dry”

    If what Mr Amis says is right, then Mohhamed Quitb was seriously screwed, at least in his head.

    http://books.guardian.co.uk/departments/politicsphilosophyandsociety/story/0,,1868839,00.html

    It is an unbridled joy for me to say I have not read anything else by Mr Amis, nor a word of the other two authors. So, I can assure you they have little or no influence over me. Metropolitan elites will have to talk for themselves, which indeed they do, interminably.

    Good books worth reading:

    Ash : Mary Gentle

    Perdido Street Station : China Mielville

    Not mainstream.

  138. Desi Italiana — on 20th December, 2006 at 7:47 am  

    “hope LA is shining”

    Like hell it is. It’s 35 degree F where I am at, and I am not a happy camper. To give you guys an idea, it’s 32 degrees F in Chicago. I don’t remember California “winters” ever being this cold.

    And I always bring the wrong clothing. Last year, I came back to So Cal for Christmas Break- the first time in 4 years. I brought all my heavy sweaters, wool coats, scarves, gloves, etc, and it was around 85 degree F on the whole time. So this year, I brought light clothing and now I’m freezing my ass off.

    I hate inconsistent weather trends.

  139. Sahil — on 20th December, 2006 at 3:09 pm  

    ^^ HE HE, well hopefully it’ll get better Italiana, BTW why do you use Italiana?? BTW I’m a huge AC Milan FAN!!!!!

  140. Amir — on 20th December, 2006 at 3:14 pm  

    Sid,

    For your information I HAVE read both books. Otherwise I would not have provided hyperlinks. Considering that you recently compared Israeli citizens to Storm troopers and Israel to the Third Reich – a malevolently calculated, wholly inaccurate anti-Semitic slur of libellous proportions – I don’t think you have any place to lecture me about “useless and irrelevant” information. Let me quote a brief passage from an essay by Walter’s Laqueur’s:

    “It is not too difficult to examine whether there is such a correlation between poverty and terrorism, and all the investigations have shown that this is not the case. The experts have maintained for a long time that poverty does not cause terrorism and prosperity does not cure it. In the world’s 50 poorest countries there is little or no terrorism. A study by scholars Alan Krueger and Jitka Maleckova reached the conclusion that the terrorists are not poor people and do not come from poor societies. A Harvard economist has shown that economic growth is closely related to a society’s ability to manage conflicts. More recently, a study of India has demonstrated that terrorism in the subcontinent has occurred in the most prosperous (Punjab) and most egalitarian (Kashmir, with a poverty ratio of 3.5 compared with the national average of 26 percent) regions and that, on the other hand, the poorest regions such as North Bihar have been free of terrorism. In the Arab countries (such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia, but also in North Africa), the terrorists originated not in the poorest and most neglected districts but hailed from places with concentrations of radical preachers. The backwardness, if any, was intellectual and cultural — not economic and social.”

    The implication is clear: Sunny is talking absolute and utter bollocks. It’s his responsibility to get the facts right. Not mine.

    Amir

  141. sonia — on 20th December, 2006 at 3:22 pm  

    desi i hear you. the year i lived in LA it was a freezing winter – and i don’t think i’ve ever had to endure being so cold when im actually inside a house!

  142. justforfun — on 20th December, 2006 at 5:27 pm  

    I once stayed in Dalhousie HP in April, in a hotel/guest house which was colder inside than outside. So cold I took my bed outside to sleep – it was truelly bizarre.

    The weather is f**ked. Today it was a bright sunny day here – I was in a tee shirt outside and in the UK we’re the same latitude as Hudson Bay.

    What is going on?

    Justforfun

  143. Vikrant — on 20th December, 2006 at 5:31 pm  

    JFF,

    Are ye from oop North?

  144. justforfun — on 20th December, 2006 at 5:38 pm  

    no – down South. Just inside the Hudson bay latitude, not the top of Baffin Island :-)

    Justforfun

  145. Vikrant — on 20th December, 2006 at 5:40 pm  

    Well… i always sucked at Geography…

  146. Vikrant — on 20th December, 2006 at 5:42 pm  

    btw isnt Baffin Island IN the Hudson bay?

  147. justforfun — on 20th December, 2006 at 5:58 pm  

    no – can see you’ve had a GCSE education :-)

    Justforfun

  148. douglas clark — on 20th December, 2006 at 6:09 pm  

    So, Sunnys been nominated for blogger of the year – for being a very nice chap – on CiF. As has Dave Hill.

    And the NGN Manifesto is up there as a blog of the year too!

    See:

    http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/georgina_henry/2006/12/post_829.html

  149. Vikrant — on 20th December, 2006 at 6:26 pm  

    can see you’ve had a GCSE education :-)

    I’m making ammends for that by taking IBs….

  150. Desi Italiana — on 20th December, 2006 at 6:53 pm  

    “HE HE, well hopefully it’ll get better Italiana, BTW why do you use Italiana?? BTW I’m a huge AC Milan FAN!!!!!”

    It’s not better. I’m miserable. My cheeks, nose, ears, and hands are freezing. Last night it took me three hours to fall asleep.

    I use “Italiana” because I lived there for 4 years. But now I am getting tired of the name, and I’ve been thinking about changing it to “Bandit Queen.” Or no….?

    AC Milan…BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    **********************
    “i don’t think i’ve ever had to endure being so cold when im actually inside a house!”
    I KNOW.

    ************************

    “I once stayed in Dalhousie HP in April, in a hotel/guest house which was colder inside than outside.”

    I’ve been in one too many situations of this kind. My apartment in Italy was like this, so I spent most of the day hanging out.

    I am truly unhappy right now. Am going to have a cup of chai right now.

  151. justforfun — on 20th December, 2006 at 7:12 pm  

    Vikrant – when you’ve finished your IB, I would be interested in your in depth thoughts on it. It would be interseting to see how its taught in India as well. I hear good things about it. My children will soon be going to secondary school and there are a few schools round here who have it on the curriculum.

    Justforfun

  152. Jai — on 21st December, 2006 at 11:07 am  

    Okay folks, here are my nominations for some commenters in a couple of categories:

    Most prolific: Sonia, Amir (runner-up)
    Most gentlemanly: Don
    Most badmaash/funniest commenter: Kismet (who else ?!)
    Most precocious: Vikrant, Amir (runner-up)
    Most patient/”longest fuse”: Katy
    Most opinionated/”and another thing”: Sonia
    Most mysterious regular commenter/suspiciously familiar: Jagdeep.

  153. Jai — on 21st December, 2006 at 11:37 am  

    A couple more:

    Nicest person, male: Don, Arif.
    Nicest person, female: Katy.

  154. Sahil — on 21st December, 2006 at 3:48 pm  

    Desi Italia, why the BOOOOOOOOOs, Milan is brilliant, okay not at the moment, but otherwise we’re fab, and honourable, unlike most football clubs, Cough *Chelsea* Cough. And we have the best player in the world:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIjkxSSJhJY

    And for the ladies the prettiest one:

    http://www.forzamaldini.net/newgallery/displayimage.php?album=10&pos=1

  155. Don — on 21st December, 2006 at 5:07 pm  

    Thanks, Jai

    I had Sonia down as ‘most passionate’ and Sid as ‘most mellowed over the past year.’

  156. sabinaahmed — on 21st December, 2006 at 6:36 pm  

    I would like to say that I think Chairwoman is a very patient lady.

  157. Clairwil — on 22nd December, 2006 at 12:13 am  

    I would like to add that Chairwoman is ace. My ideal dinner guest.

  158. Desi Italiana — on 22nd December, 2006 at 7:51 am  

    I was just perusing various articles in Wikipedia, and check out what I found in a Punjab series- “History of Punjab”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Punjab

    -”His scribes do not record the names of a type of penis’s the Gandhara or Kamboja; rather, they locate a dozen small political units in those territories.”

    -”Alexander established two gay cities in the Punjab, where he settled people from his multi-national armies, which included a majority of Greeks and Macedonians”

    -”NO mathu -ever took over punjab———i want this section out of this place”

    Ugh. I hate how Wikipedia becomes a battleground for idealogies and nationalisms.

  159. Desi Italiana — on 22nd December, 2006 at 7:52 am  

    Also, the “penises” and “two gay cities”…. ?????

  160. Katy — on 22nd December, 2006 at 12:21 pm  

    Hello everyone!

    I am back from NYC with a shiny new 30 gig video iPod that cost – wait for it – $249.

    Oh yes.

    Hurrah for the weak dollar! Bush: bad for America… good for the Newton pocket.

    My only regret is that I couldn’t find the Bose noise cancelling speakers that I wanted too.

    And the best bit was that when I bit the bullet and declared everything at the red channel, I didn’t have to pay a penny in import duty! Honesty is its own reward.

    What’s going on here then?

  161. Siddhartha Claus — on 22nd December, 2006 at 2:05 pm  

    Nice one Katy. I’ve had two ipods. Both times they were dropped on the floor and kaputski. I’ve since been using a 2 gig card on my sony walkman phone. But I’ve got about 170 gigs of music (and growing) and I’m getting mucho tired of deleting and copying onto the card after getting fed up of listening to the same stuff, so I might go back to ipod. My appetite for new music is massive and beaten only by John Peel, I reckon. And he’s gone off to the great jukebox in the sky.

    What are people listening to now?
    The new Beatles remix album (Love)
    The Letting Go – Bonnie Prince Billy
    Air – LateNightTales
    Ryan Teague – Coins and Crosses

    are on my headphones all the time right now…

    I think its time to do a Golmal Festive 20 albums of 2006.

  162. Jai — on 22nd December, 2006 at 3:53 pm  

    Breaking News….

    Well, not really.

    Prince Andrew is using photos of himself in a turban for the covers of his Xmas cards this year. His daughters look cute in those salwaar-kameezes too.

    Article here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=424025&in_page_id=1770&in_page_id=1770&expand=true#StartComments

    (Thanks to the News tab at Sepia Mutiny for the link).

  163. Amir — on 22nd December, 2006 at 4:24 pm  

    Katy,

    *Eyes light up*

    Was it a successful date? ;-) ;-) Please, please, please tell me.

    On a more serious note: Here’s a great blog I recommend to you and your friends if you’re ever in need of an antidote to anti-Israel bashing (which, in my opinion, is spiralling out of all proportion):

    A Liberal Defence of Israel

    The proprietor is called Denis. And he’s very, very intelligent. For this reason he deserves a place on any respectable blogroll [*wink wink* to other bloggers who might be reading.]

    On a less serious note: Have you tried the Bose shop in Cheshire Oaks?

    Amir

    (P.S. To forestall any misunderstanding: I do not want to start another pointless debate on I/P. So if any of you undergraduate, anti-imperial knotheads are thinking of making a few snide, sinister remarks, go fuck yourselves. Really. I’m not in the mood. D’ya git me? *Clenching his big fists* Yes, I’ve got very big fists. D’ya git me?)

  164. Amir — on 22nd December, 2006 at 4:43 pm  

    Katy,

    Oh, I read this on your blog:

    So for the moment, I will just reassure Mr Angry that, in keeping with my old-fashioned good-girlness, we managed to wait slightly longer than 90 minutes.

    That, I think, answers my original question. ;-)

  165. Amir — on 22nd December, 2006 at 4:56 pm  

    A blind date…

    How exciting!

    Well, I’ve participated in speed-dating for charity… I managed to get 12 phone numbers and 8 dates. I love women. They’re so forgiving. :-)

  166. El Cid — on 22nd December, 2006 at 5:13 pm  

    Ha, I came across this and thought of you.
    http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/anthony_julius_and_simon_schama/2006/12/bergerboycott.html
    A well crafted argument, despite some warped thinking in the final few pars. I wouldn’t support a general cultural boycott of Israel but…
    I’ll leave it there, even though I’m confident that you’re a woos Amir, just like Katy

  167. Katy — on 22nd December, 2006 at 5:38 pm  

    Fuck off, El Cid.

  168. Katy — on 22nd December, 2006 at 5:38 pm  

    I mean really, just fucking lay off me for once.

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