Cameron to offer India say on immigration…?


by Sunny
28th July, 2010 at 12:23 am    

Huh? I’m finding this somewhat hard to believe.

David Cameron is to offer India a direct say in drawing up Britain’s new immigration policy as Downing Street responds to fears in New Delhi that a proposed cap will harm trade links.

In a sign of what the prime minister will today describe as a new “spirit of humility” towards India, Downing Street is making it clear that Britain will consult Delhi over a proposed new cap on non-EU immigration.

Either it means the Tory free-marketeers have decisively trumped over the little-Englander ‘no immigration’ Tories, or it reflects on the country’s growing economic might and Cameron is just being very pragmatic.

As India prepares to celebrate the 63rd anniversary of its independence from Britain next month, the prime minister says Europe needs to accept the shift of economic power to Asia. “India’s economy is on an upward trajectory. In Britain, we’re waking up to a new reality.

I think I can hear the little-Englanders squealing in pain. The pragmatic free-marketeers have won.


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  1. Andy Gilmour — on 28th July, 2010 at 12:35 am  

    ah, but he’s balanced this by aiming to further destabilise the EU through his support of Turkey’s membership bid. :-)

    he does need those “Little Englanders”, after all…

  2. leon — on 28th July, 2010 at 12:58 am  

    So it’s:

    Gov Minister A: “A cap on non Euro immigration!’

    Gov Minister B: “Oh fuck wait, some of these brown folk have money er…non euro cap except India!”

    Gov Minister A: “Yay for coherent immigration policy!”

  3. AJ — on 28th July, 2010 at 1:36 am  

    Little Englanders is code for any English people who actually want England to resemble England in 30 or 50 years right?

    Giving a foreign government say over sovereign matters is treason.

    You may think this is highly amusing now, but given that many people are now becoming seriously disillusioned of the three parties and disabused that they represent the British people and this country, I wouldn’t think you’ll be laughing for too long.

  4. Sunny — on 28th July, 2010 at 1:39 am  

    I wouldn’t think you’ll be laughing for too long.

    If you vote UKIP I’ll still be laughing.

  5. Kulvinder — on 28th July, 2010 at 1:56 am  

    Its just a PR strategy. The ‘arrogant brit’ act would go down like a lead balloon; so hes chosen flattery instead. The Indian government is hardly going to steer Westminster policy.

    Contrast and compare with the ‘special relationship’ bollocks every US president has to spew out, which merrily suggests the ‘US will listen’, but in reality is just tabloid fodder designed to massage the British ego.

    Infact you could also compare it to the laughable need for US presidents to be assertive to the extent the US public demands statements like ‘the US is taking the lead/at the forefront of/leading the world on issue X’

  6. cjcjc — on 28th July, 2010 at 8:22 am  

    I thought you lot didn’t like free markets!!

    Cameron is a PR genius.

    He knows France and a few others will never allow Turkey into the EU.
    And of course he will tell India that he will listen to their concerns.

    Genius.

  7. DisgustedOfTunbridgeWells — on 28th July, 2010 at 9:13 am  

    I think I can hear the little-Englanders squealing in pain. The pragmatic free-marketeers have won.

    1. Last month you were saying the debate was ‘lost’ which is it?

    2. If the free marketeers had ‘won’ there wouldn’t be any cap at all, the notion is a load of old trot bullshit.

  8. Rumbold — on 28th July, 2010 at 9:25 am  

    One hopes the free marketers have won.

  9. george — on 28th July, 2010 at 10:30 am  

    The Indians, long ignored by the West, are so easily flattered. Cameron is in India to get arms deals signed and India dutifully obliged (one worth three-quarter of a billion pounds is with BAE system).

    Cameron, pleased with his success, makes a few noises about letting India into UK’s immigration process.
    Wah – the Indians are even more thrilled and may sign up further deals with the Brits. When Blair visited India some years back he & Cherie sat on a mat with some villagers. Result the BJP PM then was flattered and promptly signed an arms deal.

    The fact is the arms makers (UK, US, Russia and Israel) probably view Indians as a bunch of gullible clowns who keep collecting formidable weapons but have no real war experience with these top aggressors.
    They can only kill fellow natives – Maoists and tribals and defenceless Kashmiris.

  10. Sunny — on 28th July, 2010 at 1:54 pm  

    1. Last month you were saying the debate was ‘lost’ which is it?

    oh we still lost the debate on immigration – the public still want it cut. ow the ball is entirely in Cameron’s court. But it’ll be interesting to see who wins within the Tory factions.

  11. boyo — on 28th July, 2010 at 2:15 pm  

    @6 indeed. Only words.

    I’m sure Cameron’s smooth-talking decendents said much the same thing a couple of hundred years ago.

    Oh we’re just here for the silk n’ spices gov, soon be on our way…

    Haven’t you twigged yet? Nothing he says is true (pace NHS)?

  12. MaidMarian — on 28th July, 2010 at 2:21 pm  

    Sunny – By ‘tory factions’ I assume that you mean ‘Coalition factions?’

    I slightly disagree that the public want immigration cut. The public reflect the tory stance quite well – they want all of the benefits and none of the disbenefits. Not, of course, totally irrational but hardly a foundation of sensible policy.

  13. Cauldron — on 29th July, 2010 at 5:06 am  

    This has nothing to do with general immigration policy. Cameron is just trying to humour a couple of large Indian outsourcing firms, notably TCS, that have been abusing US and EU migration policy for years. There may be some small changes in the rules surrounding temporary permits for skilled workers, but the broader policies relating to chain migration of unskilled workers won’t change.

    Cameron (unlike D.Milliband) understands that the Indian MFA is a naive body (the Chinese outsmart them at every turn) but one with a big ego. Flattery will get you everywhere with this lot.

    Actually, what was more interesting was what Cameron said about Pakistan. I think a part of this speech reflects UK domestic politics. The Labour Party is so beholden to the Pakistani Kashmiri diaspora that the Tories sense an opportunity to appeal to the other side. It will take a long time for that strategy to come to fruition – witness how poorly the Tories did in Southall a couple of years back – but it’s not a bad strategy per se and Cameron is pretty good at playing the long game.

  14. kELvi — on 29th July, 2010 at 5:21 am  

    David Cameron’s administration is a refreshing change from the sanctimony that passed off for Britain’s India policy. It hit rock bottom with the ignoramus Milliband. That apart European and US military firms v.v.desperately need to win in the Indian market. It’s hard for hoity-toity Brits (especially the Left) to accept that. Hence all this trash talk. But that’s just water off the duck’s back. Who gives a damn?

  15. Dave R — on 29th July, 2010 at 10:06 am  

    Is it just me or is the British passport going through Inflation?
    I just get the feeling it’s not worth as much as it used to…

  16. joe90 — on 29th July, 2010 at 1:19 pm  

    It was so cheesy to watch cameron and crew grovel on their indian trip. The indians must have been loving it to watch these upper class twits kiss their behind.

  17. kELvi — on 29th July, 2010 at 3:46 pm  

    Cauldron: Flattery will get you everywhere with this lot.

    joe90: It was so cheesy to watch cameron and crew grovel on their indian trip

    Cognitive dissonance of the extremes! If Cameron can build his administration on pragmatic principles, stay clear of any sanctimonious/patronizing hectoring of India via Hinduism-bashing or “human rights” etc and not host every thuggish terror group (like it did in the years past LTTE/Khalistanis/Pak-sposnosred Kash-Jihad thugs etc) the Indo-Brit vote is his for the taking. Something like that is happening in the US, with Obama’s indulgence of Pakistani thuggery angering Indian-Americans no end.

  18. joe90 — on 30th July, 2010 at 12:33 pm  

    kelvi post#17

    you cannot whitewash india and claim it is not involved in thuggish terror tactics itself. As some commentators would like to portray reading the news over the past few days. There have been tit for tat bombings between india and pakistan for decades, india has also been indicated in supporting anti government elements in west pakistan and afghanistan. The obama administration has given india nuclear technology which it has refused pakistan so all is not what it seems if you scratch the service a little.

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