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  • Prevent Violent Extremism comes to an end


    by Sunny
    14th July, 2010 at 7:15 pm    

    Some Muslim orgs will be happy, others will be livid. Be interesting to see how it all pans out.

    The government’s £60m “preventing violent extremism” programme is to be dismantled after a widespread loss of confidence in it within Muslim communities, it was confirmed today.

    The plan to spy on Muslims in Birmingham especially was the last straw. It also sounds like the programme to tour imams (run by Radical Middle Way) will also come to an end. Big development, although entirely expected.


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    1. Kismet Hardy — on 14th July, 2010 at 7:31 pm  

      Why would it have cost £60 million? Couldn’t they just get a bunch of Asians that don’t give much of a toss £100 every friday and send them to mosques with a dictaphone? It’s not like it costs to get into a mosque…

    2. MaidMarian — on 14th July, 2010 at 7:32 pm  

      ‘a widespread loss of confidence in muslim communities.’

      Presumably if such communities experienced a widespread loss of confidence in education about evolution they should be pandered to as well?

      Sorry - we need a campaign I would call GRIP

      Get Rid of Identity Politics

      Get a GRIP Sunny.

    3. KJB — on 14th July, 2010 at 7:45 pm  

      Get Rid of Identity Politics

      Says the man who trots out the mistreatment of his Eastern European wife periodically to whine about how anti-Eastern European bigotry goes ignored compared to racism… Yawn.

      I do find it very entertaining (and ironic, given his repeated references to ‘talkboards’ etc.) how MM constantly tells Sunny what to do all the time, though - even to the point of addressing points to him that he didn’t even make! Cf the thread on ‘the left and their political parties’.

      I’m pretty surprised by this, it seems to be another sensible and humane move by the coalition. They are certainly establishing a fairly good record on civil liberties if nothing else.

    4. MaidMarian — on 14th July, 2010 at 8:02 pm  

      KJB - Thank you for your reply.

      ‘Says the man who trots out the mistreatment of his Eastern European wife periodically to whine about how anti-Eastern European bigotry goes ignored compared to racism… Yawn.’

      No, my wife has been very well treated. You say that I say my wife has been mistreated which is not the same thing. My point with regard to EE is that it would appear that the identity industry regards certain identities as more ‘worthy.’ You may well disagree, fair enough. Think of it this way. If the EE ‘community’ were to ‘lose confidence’ in something, would there be a pandering?

      My point about equality is this. I regard it as something where those facing material disadvantage as the direct result of a priori condemnation should be able to seek recourse. Others seem to see it as something for political point scoring and institutionalising preference. Hence a, ‘loss of confidence,’ results in pandering. Which analysis do you share KJB?

      ‘I do find it very entertaining (and ironic, given his repeated references to ‘talkboards’ etc.) how MM constantly tells Sunny what to do all the time, though – even to the point of addressing points to him that he didn’t even make! Cf the thread on ‘the left and their political parties’.’

      I don’t tell Sunny what to do - on the thread you refer to I asked if he would, ‘reconsider.’ What’s wrong with that? That comment was also a direct response to Sunny’s comment. In the same way that you have just directed a comment at me. I have no idea what your problem with, ‘talkboards,’ is. Would you prefer ‘chatroom?’

      ‘I’m pretty surprised by this, it seems to be another sensible and humane move by the coalition. They are certainly establishing a fairly good record on civil liberties if nothing else.’

      As I have commented elsewhere, their good civil liberty record is not much more than a spinning and continuation of existing trends. The big civil liberty cases have been met with resounding silence so far.

    5. boyo — on 14th July, 2010 at 8:06 pm  

      i thought mm was a lesbian…!

      Im just so out of touch… Or am i?

      Surely the issue is not actions but outcomes.

      Although having said that this is actually all about cuts. Nothing more, nothing less. Havent you got thar yet?

    6. MaidMarian — on 14th July, 2010 at 8:28 pm  

      boyo - ‘i thought mm was a lesbian…!’

      No! When I first used this website, I was watching the BBC/Tony Robinson classic Maid Marian and Her Merry Men. Robin of Kensington was too long.

    7. Soumyaranjan Dash — on 14th July, 2010 at 8:31 pm  

      Rather we should focus on the grass-root label!

    8. Sunny — on 14th July, 2010 at 10:48 pm  

      Man, I am gripped! Don’t tell me to get a grip MM - Apple said the same thing to me after I complained about their new phone. Bastards. People who tell me to get a grip now annoy me.

    9. DF — on 15th July, 2010 at 1:52 am  

      “The plan to spy on Muslims in Birmingham”

      Can you provide details of this plan.

    10. Andrew — on 15th July, 2010 at 7:01 am  

      60 Million is a lot to spend on…what? Money down the drain. The people at Muslim organisations that are fully financed by Prevent money will be the only unhappy ones, I would guess.

    11. platinum786 — on 15th July, 2010 at 8:44 am  

      PVE flopped right from the start when it was associated with an attempt by the government to influence how Muslims think. Also the only publicity given to PVE funded projects was to brown nosers, in an attempt to paint a positive picture to the scum who read the Daily Hate Mail. Muslims also saw that publicity and it re-enforced the impression that PVE was an attempt to influence how Muslims think.

      Were the Radical Middle Way tours funded by PVE? I hope they don’t stop, I really enjoyed a couple of the lectures I went too.

    12. Andrew — on 15th July, 2010 at 8:50 am  

      It says this on the RMW site:

      “RMW is funded primarily by a grant from the UK Government‘s Global Opportunities Fund and DCLG.”

      It doesn’t say if it is PVE money.

    13. fugstar — on 15th July, 2010 at 9:00 am  

      Orgs who found themselves in receipt of PVE will probably continue to pay the price of credibility for a while.

      I suspect that the govt (and allied) intention to denature and deform the Muslim organisational family and promote a RAND islam will take another track.

    14. joe90 — on 15th July, 2010 at 10:30 am  

      £60 million compared to £250 billion which was spent on saving the bankers is tiny. But what exactly did the Pve scheme achieve? it seems like a total failure and in this climate of saving the pennies not feasible.

    15. KJB — on 15th July, 2010 at 3:52 pm  

      My point with regard to EE is that it would appear that the identity industry regards certain identities as more ‘worthy.’

      See, now, I just can’t take anyone who starts trotting out the term ‘identity industry’ seriously, because it sounds like something out of the pages of the Mail. As for ‘pandering’, well, given the reaction to Milena Popova’s piece at the time of the Gillian Duffy affair, I’m not really sure what you want. People recognised and condemned GD’s behaviour as bigotry. You seem to be complaining that racism gets more attention than anti-immigrant bigotry - well yes, because it’s a lot easier to counteract racism against those born here than it is to get people to see immigrants as humans, whether they come from Eastern Europe or outside the EU. There’s also the small fact of the British Empire which, whether you like it or not, created a huge debt on the part of Britain to non-white people in a way that doesn’t really apply to Eastern Europeans (since they weren’t part of it).

      How you manage to complain about the ‘identity industry’ not prioritising Eastern Europeans, and then whine about identity politics, is beyond me, frankly. Smells like hypocrisy.

      LOL, I have no problem with the phrase ‘talkboards.’ What I was pointing out is how you constantly comment that online commenters make no difference to anything, and yet you persist in being a ubiquitous online presence. There you are above, telling Sunny that ‘we’ need to ‘Get Rid of Identity Politics’ and on the thread I mentioned above, you basically construct this strawman of leftists online, and then one of environmentalists. You’re our very own Sir Bufton Tufton!

    16. MaidMarian — on 15th July, 2010 at 4:23 pm  

      ‘Apple said the same thing to me after I complained about their new phone. Bastards. People who tell me to get a grip now annoy me.’

      I had much the same problem - swapped for a HTC Desire. Highly recommended.

    17. MaidMarian — on 15th July, 2010 at 4:35 pm  

      ‘There’s also the small fact of the British Empire which, whether you like it or not, created a huge debt on the part of Britain to non-white people.’

      It did nothing of the sort. I owe the empire the sum total of bugger all and I am having none of your white-guilt model of race relations.

      ‘How you manage to complain about the ‘identity industry’ not prioritising Eastern Europeans, and then whine about identity politics, is beyond me, frankly.’

      I make no such complaints. I complain very much about the identity industry prioritising political agendas on that part of organised religion. I would be very unhappy were the identity industry to prioritise EE people for political, rather than material, reasons.

      ‘What I was pointing out is how you constantly comment that online commenters make no difference to anything, and yet you persist in being a ubiquitous online presence.’

      I complain about self-importance and those who think the internet is actually something ‘radical,’ a substitute for actual politics.

    18. cjcjc — on 15th July, 2010 at 4:48 pm  

      Someone doesn’t understand the meaning of the word “ubiquitous”

    19. KJB — on 15th July, 2010 at 5:05 pm  

      Someone doesn’t understand the meaning of the word “ubiquitous”

      If you’re having trouble, cjcjc, a dictionary might be handy. Or you could Google ‘define:ubiquitous’ and that should clear up all your problems.

      MM:

      It did nothing of the sort. I owe the empire the sum total of bugger all and I am having none of your white-guilt model of race relations.

      Whatever your personal feelings on the matter, it’s a pretty well-established historical fact that the British Empire was about economic exploitation of various other countries. Whether you feel you ‘owe it’ anything or not makes no difference; the fact is that British people went over to other countries and claimed them on the part of the British state. Ergo, once it stopped exploiting them, it owed them. That’s why Britain has this oft-remarked on understanding of Indian cultures, for example, that’s not paralleled in America.

      I complain very much about the identity industry prioritising political agendas on that part of organised religion [...]

      Like Christian orgs cosying up to the Tories, you mean?

      I complain about self-importance and those who think the internet is actually something ‘radical,’ a substitute for actual politics.

      Such as who, exactly? You might want to name some names instead of making vague attacks.

    20. cjcjc — on 15th July, 2010 at 5:12 pm  

      Alternatively you could stop using it inappropriately.

      MM is not “everywhere” on the internets is he?

      “Ergo, once it stopped exploiting them, it owed them.”

      Owed them what exactly?

      How much does Rome still owe us?
      I mean, with 2000 years of compound interest it must be a pretty penny.

    21. sofia — on 16th July, 2010 at 10:50 am  

      The only reason I was happy with it was that it gave the womens group I’m working with a chance to set up and do some basic ground work before becoming a bit more self sufficient.

      I think calling it PVE was a huge mistake. I actually wish the funding had sat within the council’s communities funds and allowed muslim groups to work with other groups to encourage integration.

    22. fugstar — on 16th July, 2010 at 11:16 am  

      Werent there a gazillion other sources you could have gone for? Did you organisation incur a community trust and credibility drop, or was such a consequence a secondary concern?

    23. sofia — on 16th July, 2010 at 2:18 pm  

      Well it was literally money being handed out on a plate without having to search for funding..and since we had not had any experience of applying for funding it helped us sort out what we wanted to do and then look around for community/ward funding which we now have.

      I don’t think the women attending gave a hoot where the money came from and neither did I

    24. sofia — on 16th July, 2010 at 2:18 pm  

      ok I should qualify my last sentence by I don’t care that it came from pve…

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