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    Alexander Meleagrou-Hitchens single-handedly makes libel lawyers obsolete


    by Sunny on 14th July, 2010 at 10:00 am    

    Alexander Meleagrou-Hitchens is the son of Christopher Hitchens. That’s about the only thing going for him it seems. Yesterday, he wrote an article for Guardian explaining his side of the story, in response to an article by David Miller.

    Miller explained how his website SpinProfiles got shut down after complaints by Hitchens Jnr. I expect this sort of behaviour from these idiots, but here’s an immortal line by Hitchens in that article:

    People who are profiled by his websites should be allowed to reserve the right not to have any association with him

    But, but they wrote nasty things about me!!! Richard Bartholomew calls this an “insult to the intelligence”. But actually, apart from the wailing, this is quite clever and we should take up Hitchens on his call. Why not extend that principle to other websites?

    I think there’s a lot of racist garbage posted by commenters at Harry’s Place. The next time they write about me, clearly what I should be doing is contacting their ISP and demanding they take it down. Muslim organisations too should start collecting objectionable views posted on Standpoint magazine’s website. When Hitchens writes about them they should demand their right not to be associated with that website. Win!

    I fully endorse this brilliant new development in our media culture. Why even bother with legal arguments or trying to prove libel when all you have to do is say you don’t want to be “associated” with that publication / website so they can’t write about you. I bet British Muslims are cursing they hadn’t thought of this earlier. Clearly there’s something inherently clever in that Hitchens gene. That Harry’s Place didn’t feel this development contradicted their strap-line (‘Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don’t want to hear‘) is testament to their continuing fearless crusade against… err.. censorship.


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    1. gwenhwyfaer — on 14th July, 2010 at 10:44 am  

      Hey, as Harry says, liberty’s the right to tell other people what they don’t want to hear. It doesn’t say anything about having to let them do the same to you…

      More and more I find myself thinking that for the right, “free” is one of those irregular adjectives: I am exercising my freedom. You are limiting my freedom. He/she is a danger to society and should be locked up.

    2. cjcjc — on 14th July, 2010 at 10:54 am  

      Miller is clearly obsessed with the idea of Jewish conspiracies, and was until recently happy to host material from a neo-Nazi/David Irving supporter.

      Nonetheless A M-H’s argument seems a little stretched.

    3. Leon — on 14th July, 2010 at 11:05 am  

      But, but they wrote nasty things about me!!!

      And yet this is the basis of your so called blog war with HP…

      Weren’t you lecturing over at LC recently about how you dislike lefty infighting? What’s so different with this?

    4. Sunny — on 14th July, 2010 at 1:41 pm  

      And yet this is the basis of your so called blog war with HP…

      Errr no it’s not. I don’t have a “war” going on with anyone. I just cuss people when I think they something idiotic. It’s a blog, geddit?

    5. Sunny — on 14th July, 2010 at 1:42 pm  

      Miller is clearly obsessed with the idea of Jewish conspiracies,

      I know this blog obsessed by Muslims…

    6. BenSix — on 14th July, 2010 at 2:07 pm  

      Hah! Well put.

    7. cjcjc — on 14th July, 2010 at 2:38 pm  

      Two wrongs don’t make a right, you know!!

    8. Sunny — on 14th July, 2010 at 3:03 pm  

      So you too think HP is obsessed with Muslims?

    9. bananabrain — on 14th July, 2010 at 3:17 pm  

      this david miller character seems pretty interested in us spittooners as well. apparently i myself am a “neo-conservative”, according to some mad-lefty academic… well i never. it is amazing how people can make assumptions about my politics (it would appear that i am an extreme-right-wing zionist) without apparently having understoood any of my opinion. from the look of the comments, as well, it sounds like if we only were y’know, ruder about israel people would, y’know, believe that we were like, y’know, “balanced” and stuff, because that’s what you have to do for people to think that, y’know? i’m very sorry not to fit into prof miller’s procrustean little profile.

      b’shalom

      bananabrain

    10. resistor — on 14th July, 2010 at 3:21 pm  

      ‘i’m very sorry not to fit into prof miller’s procrustean little profile.’

      No need to apologise bananbrain because you do, exactly.

    11. Sunny — on 14th July, 2010 at 3:23 pm  

      I’m just amazed that they actually pay attention to you guys. I’d have just told Miller to stop wasting his time.

    12. cjcjc — on 14th July, 2010 at 3:44 pm  

      “I’d have just told Miller to stop wasting his time.”
      That rarely works with obsessives. And he clearly is.
      “So you too think HP is obsessed with Muslims?”
      Perhaps a little.
      Though is that like saying that Waitrose is obsessed with food. It’s what they do.
      In both cases, as you say, you can shop there, or not, as you like.

    13. KJB — on 14th July, 2010 at 5:49 pm  

      ‘Though is that like saying that Waitrose is obsessed with food. It’s what they do.
      In both cases, as you say, you can shop there, or not, as you like.’

      And yet you keep coming back to PP to make snide comments at people (Sunny in particular) for standing up for Muslims… You could always stop shopping here, cjcjc.

    14. cjcjc — on 14th July, 2010 at 5:53 pm  

      If you could give some examples of any of my snide ad hominems?

    15. organic cheeseboard — on 14th July, 2010 at 5:59 pm  

      weirdest part for me is that alex seems happy to be fully associated with Douglas ‘send all the muslims back where they came form’ murray. to the extent of working for him for over a year.

      that, for me, tells you all you need to know about Hitchens’s dedication to anti-extremism.

      from past experience of alex hitchens in online discussions, he throws his toys out of the pram the second you call him a neoconservative. which, given his educaitonal background, the places he’s worked, and where he predominantly publishes, is pretty fucking funny.

    16. KJB — on 14th July, 2010 at 6:13 pm  

      I didn’t say ‘ad hominems,’ just snide comments. On this thread though, you are positively restrained (limiting yourself to calling a man you don’t know ‘clearly obsessive’).

      Here’s one, from the Zakir Naik thread:

      Had he come in it would have been nice to think that UAF might have wanted to organise against his kind of fascist – cue ROFL.

      You don’t just limit yourself to standing up for HP at every opportunity, though. Just for fun, I’ll throw in your charming comment on Cath Elliott’s latest blog post:

      #

      cjcjc // July 8, 2010 at 10:17 am

      A very honest account.

      Though I have to say I’m glad the medics running up the Euston Road weren’t quite as self-indulgent.

      How very dare she talk about her own experiences!

      Oh and Sunny, this made me LOL.

    17. organic cheeseboard — on 14th July, 2010 at 6:20 pm  

      what’s especially funny is that hitchens’s main beef with spinwatch is that they printed 100% factual information, but they are actively hostile to hitchens’s ideas, spend too much time attacking the Israel Lobby, and they’re sort of vaguely linked by association with an anti-semite.

      private eye ran a story a while back about Hitchens’s then employers the CSC (run by the outright anti-muslim bigot douglas murray) getting sued for libel by a palestinian charity, about whom hitchens’s employers had publisshed factual information. The approach taken by hitchens’s friend douglas murray was that libel should not be used to silence the publication of factual info, even if the place it’s coming from has a deep-seated hostility to the targets.

      funny how there’s one rule for the free speech zealots, and one rule for everyone else.

    18. Kisan — on 14th July, 2010 at 6:26 pm  

      Sunny jumps to the defense of a website known for publishing anti-semitic statements as authoritative insight by a famous neo-Nazi white supremacist academic (Kevin B McDonald).

      Cool…

      That’s breaking new ground in progressive politics with a South Asian flavour and standing up for people of colour.

      Racist conspiracy theorising about Jews is fine and dandy right as Jews aren’t in the right victim category?

    19. Sunny — on 14th July, 2010 at 7:02 pm  

      Oh Douglas Murray is the biggest hypocrite going.

      I can’t wait for his next missive in support of Geert Wilders.

      Thanks KJB.

      cjcjc just comes here to make snide comments because he made a £1000 bet with me about global temperatures that he is inevitably losing. These deniers dont like being humiliated.

      I can’t wait to see his face when I donate that money to Greenpeace.

    20. earwicga — on 14th July, 2010 at 7:18 pm  

      KJB, I too found cjcjc’s comment on Cath Elliott’s post callous.

    21. KJB — on 14th July, 2010 at 7:49 pm  

      earwicga - It is a credit to her lack of self-indulgence, frankly, that she let such a comment stand. I would have been tempted to bring it to people’s attention in a subsequent post, Twisty Faster-style, so they could not miss what an utterly giant bell-end the person in question was.

      organic cheeseboard - Interesting but utterly unsurprising.

    22. cjcjc — on 15th July, 2010 at 7:55 am  

      Wake up.
      Making snide comments “at people” as you claimed I did is otherwise known as “ad hominem” (translation: at the person).

      Not surprised you couldn’t find any, since I don’t believe I have made any. (Or many; better not tempt fate!)

      My comment on Cath’s blog was my honest reaction to her honest account. And I respect her too for allowing the comment through (she pre-mods I believe).

      Miller is obsessive (by their works shall ye know them) and has published the Jewish conspiracy theories of a David Irving supporter on his site. Sorry about that.

      Sunny - there are a few years left before the bet ends. I should have bloody checked when the next El Nino was due though!

    23. organic cheeseboard — on 15th July, 2010 at 11:30 am  

      by the way, the second piece on this at standpoint has been suspiciously edited… wodner if it was to do with libel.

      if so i look forward to harry’s place launching a fund, after all, threatening people with libel suits on spurious grounds just isn’t on is it?

    24. BenSix — on 15th July, 2010 at 12:10 pm  

      Cjcjc -

      Ad hominem? Oh! You mean like this?

      Miller is clearly obsessed with the idea of Jewish conspiracies…

      Clearly“? Not to me, pardner.

    25. bananabrain — on 15th July, 2010 at 1:09 pm  

      No need to apologise bananbrain because you do, exactly.

      are you not being humiliated enough at the moment on the spittoon board to want to do it over here as well?

      of course, by fitting into miller’s little profile, this involves defining it broadly as “people we don’t agree with”.

      never mind my actually published opinions on the middle east - anyone who doesn’t toe the ikhwaan line is a far-right imperialist extremist.

      what a very strange little world of undergraduate apostrophising you live in, to be sure.

      b’shalom

      bananabrain

    26. cjcjc — on 15th July, 2010 at 2:05 pm  

      Well Ben, there’s none so blind, as they say.

      If you publish the Jewish conspiracy theories of a David Irving supporter, and as far as I/P affairs are concerned the only “spinners” you claim to “watch” are Jewish…well…

    27. cjcjc — on 15th July, 2010 at 2:14 pm  

      Meanwhile if you want a real demonstration of the “art” of the ad hominem, pop over to the Polanski thread!

    28. BenSix — on 15th July, 2010 at 6:03 pm  

      Well Ben, there’s none so blind, as they say.

      No ad hominem here!

      If you publish the Jewish conspiracy theories of a David Irving supporter…

      You clearly don’t know anything about Kevin MacDonald. Bastardised evo-psych isn’t “conspiracy theory” and the man’s no more a “supporter” of Irving than, say, Christopher Hitchens. That most certainly doesn’t mean that he’s not an anti-semite but it shows how far you researched before smearing Monsieur Miller. Anyhow, he didn’t “publish” the man (which suggests awareness and approval). One of his researchers did, and “the quote was removed as soon as the mistake was spotted“.

      So, this “obsess[ion]” thang seems a bit unfair. None so blind as those who pass-off Harry’s Place hit-pieces (as few have said).

    29. cjcjc — on 15th July, 2010 at 6:18 pm  

      Yeah, the “mistake” was that it was exposed as having been written by MacDonald.
      Not that it was a crock of anti-semitic shit.
      Did the “researcher” not spot that?

      Did Hitch testify on behalf of Irving too?
      I didn’t know that.

    30. BenSix — on 15th July, 2010 at 6:34 pm  

      Yeah, the “mistake” was that it was exposed as having been written by MacDonald.
      Not that it was a crock of anti-semitic shit.

      As far as I can see, Miller deleted the MacDonald quote before it was reported.

      Did Hitch testify on behalf of Irving too?
      I didn’t know that.

      No, but MacDonald’s defence was on behalf of his published works, which Hitchens too defended (see The Strange Case Of David Irving).

      Do your own work next time, Cj.

    31. cjcjc — on 15th July, 2010 at 6:47 pm  

      I take it all back.
      That HP piece really makes Miller look like the hero of the hour.

      No, but MacDonald’s defence was on behalf of his published works, which Hitchens too defended (see The Strange Case Of David Irving).

      Hahahaha - from *slightly* different angles.

    32. BenSix — on 15th July, 2010 at 6:51 pm  

      That HP piece really makes Miller look like the hero of the hour.

      Where has cjcjc used ad hominem? Hrmm - think there might be a “n’t” missing there…

      Hahahaha – from *slightly* different angles.

      Er, no, on the same premises and - heck - in similar terms.

    33. cjcjc — on 15th July, 2010 at 7:01 pm  

      “in similar terms”

      Hahaha - yes when I read MacDonald’s testimony I thought to myself precisely that Hitchens could have written it. Yes indeed.

    34. BenSix — on 15th July, 2010 at 7:17 pm  

      If you disagree, why not lay out what you mean? MacDonald tosses in a shedload of his ethnocentrist rambling but that’s disconnected from his opinion on Mista I.

      MacDonald: “…even were it to be proved that David Irving does indeed bring a certain set of biases to his work, even the most biased researchers may well contribute invaluable scholarship“.

      Hitchens: “Irving is not just a Fascist historian. He is also a great historian of Fascism.

      MacDonald: “…if I am asked my opinion of the Evans report I will say that it seems devastating to [Irving's] general case that [he is] a disinterested scholar.

      Hitchens: “As an expert witness at the trial, however, Evans was quite devastating.

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