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		<title>By: Utbah</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/906/comment-page-2#comment-45783</link>
		<dc:creator>Utbah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 21:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is not all tied together in some sort of conspiracy.&quot;

I wouldn&#039;t call it a &quot;conspiracy&quot;, but an attack on a major Muslim Organisation which the Zionist body sees as a threat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is not all tied together in some sort of conspiracy.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call it a &#8220;conspiracy&#8221;, but an attack on a major Muslim Organisation which the Zionist body sees as a threat.</p>
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		<title>By: Serious Golmal &#187; A New Agenda</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/906/comment-page-2#comment-45677</link>
		<dc:creator>Serious Golmal &#187; A New Agenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Other responses are rounded up and being discussed here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Douglas Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/906/comment-page-2#comment-45668</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anas,

Good one.

I really must get round to watching The Life of Brian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anas,</p>
<p>Good one.</p>
<p>I really must get round to watching The Life of Brian.</p>
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		<title>By: Anas</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/906/comment-page-2#comment-45662</link>
		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian: Look, you&#039;ve got it all wrong! You don&#039;t NEED to follow ME, you don&#039;t NEED to follow ANYBODY! You&#039;ve got to think for yourselves! You&#039;re ALL individuals! 
The Crowd (in unison): Yes! We&#039;re all individuals! 
Brian: You&#039;re all different! 
The Crowd (in unison): Yes, we ARE all different! 
Man in Crowd: I&#039;m not... 
The Crowd: Shhh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian: Look, you&#8217;ve got it all wrong! You don&#8217;t NEED to follow ME, you don&#8217;t NEED to follow ANYBODY! You&#8217;ve got to think for yourselves! You&#8217;re ALL individuals!<br />
The Crowd (in unison): Yes! We&#8217;re all individuals!<br />
Brian: You&#8217;re all different!<br />
The Crowd (in unison): Yes, we ARE all different!<br />
Man in Crowd: I&#8217;m not&#8230;<br />
The Crowd: Shhh!</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/906/comment-page-2#comment-45655</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 02:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Utbah,

Surprisingly, I agree with you, to the extent that £60 six years ago, is not the killer point that Harrys Place and some others make it out to be. But you conflate that with a lot of other stuff I can&#039;t subscribe to at all. It is not all tied together in some sort of conspiracy. There is a legitimate question over the role that the government has given, (or maybe the past tense would be more accurate), the MCB.

Consultation, I would suggest, should be on the broadest basis possible. Not limited to people who may, or may not, represent you. A voice given up to a choir, is an individual voice lost. Don&#039;t lose yours to collectivism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Utbah,</p>
<p>Surprisingly, I agree with you, to the extent that £60 six years ago, is not the killer point that Harrys Place and some others make it out to be. But you conflate that with a lot of other stuff I can&#8217;t subscribe to at all. It is not all tied together in some sort of conspiracy. There is a legitimate question over the role that the government has given, (or maybe the past tense would be more accurate), the MCB.</p>
<p>Consultation, I would suggest, should be on the broadest basis possible. Not limited to people who may, or may not, represent you. A voice given up to a choir, is an individual voice lost. Don&#8217;t lose yours to collectivism.</p>
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		<title>By: ZinZin</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/906/comment-page-2#comment-45654</link>
		<dc:creator>ZinZin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 01:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Utbah or the primary cause of Islamophobia as he is called up in Leeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Utbah or the primary cause of Islamophobia as he is called up in Leeds.</p>
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		<title>By: Utbah</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/906/comment-page-2#comment-45653</link>
		<dc:creator>Utbah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 01:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who said MPAC was created by Asghar? Please don&#039;t tell me your source of information is Wikipedia? 

MPACUK was created by a Palestinian. Asghar himself stated this on islam Channel. talk about spreading shit around.

On the issue of Asghar Bukhari&#039;s Donation (Note, MPACUK was not even created, so I&#039;m not even sure why the hell you tarnish MPAC for it), has learnt from his mistake.

Those who hate MPAC/Asghar for what it/he stands for, don&#039;t give two shits if he made an honest mistake. At least he admits it and has learnt from the mistake. It&#039;s far better than massacring children in their cots and then blaming it on a &quot;technical fault&quot;. I still have not seen anyone comment on that. 

Only bad Muslim issue&#039;s come on board on this site. Are Pickler&#039;s just here to stir shit up? Isn&#039;t there anything else to report?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who said MPAC was created by Asghar? Please don&#8217;t tell me your source of information is Wikipedia? </p>
<p>MPACUK was created by a Palestinian. Asghar himself stated this on islam Channel. talk about spreading shit around.</p>
<p>On the issue of Asghar Bukhari&#8217;s Donation (Note, MPACUK was not even created, so I&#8217;m not even sure why the hell you tarnish MPAC for it), has learnt from his mistake.</p>
<p>Those who hate MPAC/Asghar for what it/he stands for, don&#8217;t give two shits if he made an honest mistake. At least he admits it and has learnt from the mistake. It&#8217;s far better than massacring children in their cots and then blaming it on a &#8220;technical fault&#8221;. I still have not seen anyone comment on that. </p>
<p>Only bad Muslim issue&#8217;s come on board on this site. Are Pickler&#8217;s just here to stir shit up? Isn&#8217;t there anything else to report?</p>
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		<title>By: Anas</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/906/comment-page-2#comment-45649</link>
		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 00:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol, Don, fair enough, shot meself in the foot there. But I was expecting it to come up sooner or later on PP, given the proclivities of most of the commenters: it was a pre-emptive strike.

The Israel test thing sounds quite funny. I was very amused when Sunny claimed that Inayat Bunglawala was in the habit of accusing MCB critics of being Mossad agents. I don&#039;t know how much he goes in for that, but Sunny&#039;s claim had me in hysterics for some reason, I think it was probably the conjunction with Inayat&#039;s photograph at the top of the page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol, Don, fair enough, shot meself in the foot there. But I was expecting it to come up sooner or later on PP, given the proclivities of most of the commenters: it was a pre-emptive strike.</p>
<p>The Israel test thing sounds quite funny. I was very amused when Sunny claimed that Inayat Bunglawala was in the habit of accusing MCB critics of being Mossad agents. I don&#8217;t know how much he goes in for that, but Sunny&#8217;s claim had me in hysterics for some reason, I think it was probably the conjunction with Inayat&#8217;s photograph at the top of the page.</p>
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		<title>By: ZinZin</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/906/comment-page-2#comment-45644</link>
		<dc:creator>ZinZin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 00:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its an MCB thing an alternative to Islamophobia as a smear. Bunglawala when pushed into a corner by CIF bloggers always smears them as Israel worshippers. It&#039;s quite amusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its an MCB thing an alternative to Islamophobia as a smear. Bunglawala when pushed into a corner by CIF bloggers always smears them as Israel worshippers. It&#8217;s quite amusing.</p>
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		<title>By: Siddharth</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/906/comment-page-2#comment-45643</link>
		<dc:creator>Siddharth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 00:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anas

you&#039;re right. I renamed the post from &#039;MPAC fond of Irving&#039; to &#039;MPAC funded Irving&#039;. Sensationalist, possibly. But given that MPAC is a web-based front for Bukhari, and has been used to springboard a lot of his ideas, I think its not unfair to say Bukhari is MPAC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anas</p>
<p>you&#8217;re right. I renamed the post from &#8216;MPAC fond of Irving&#8217; to &#8216;MPAC funded Irving&#8217;. Sensationalist, possibly. But given that MPAC is a web-based front for Bukhari, and has been used to springboard a lot of his ideas, I think its not unfair to say Bukhari is MPAC.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/906/comment-page-2#comment-45642</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 00:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;...some of those who are trying to play the whole thing up...&#039;

Remind me, who raised the topic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;&#8230;some of those who are trying to play the whole thing up&#8230;&#8217;</p>
<p>Remind me, who raised the topic?</p>
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		<title>By: Anas</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/906/comment-page-2#comment-45641</link>
		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 00:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s an Israel test?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s an Israel test?</p>
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		<title>By: ZinZin</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/906/comment-page-2#comment-45639</link>
		<dc:creator>ZinZin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 00:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come off it Bukhari wouldn&#039;t pass an Israel test. Although you ask his critics to show compassion for holocaust victims? See the contradiction.

&quot;Like I say I’m sceptical of the intentions of some of those who are trying to play the whole thing up and making it more than it was.&quot;

Why not call them Islamophobes and leave it at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come off it Bukhari wouldn&#8217;t pass an Israel test. Although you ask his critics to show compassion for holocaust victims? See the contradiction.</p>
<p>&#8220;Like I say I’m sceptical of the intentions of some of those who are trying to play the whole thing up and making it more than it was.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why not call them Islamophobes and leave it at that.</p>
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		<title>By: Anas</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/906/comment-page-2#comment-45637</link>
		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 00:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m criticising him too: it was a completely moronic thing to do, I don&#039;t believe his excuses that he didn&#039;t know about Irving&#039;s reputation as a holocaust denier for a second, it&#039;s damage limitation. But it was six years ago, and he has since then made his views on anti-semitism clear. 

Like I say I&#039;m sceptical of the intentions of some of those who are trying to play the whole thing up and making it more than it was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m criticising him too: it was a completely moronic thing to do, I don&#8217;t believe his excuses that he didn&#8217;t know about Irving&#8217;s reputation as a holocaust denier for a second, it&#8217;s damage limitation. But it was six years ago, and he has since then made his views on anti-semitism clear. </p>
<p>Like I say I&#8217;m sceptical of the intentions of some of those who are trying to play the whole thing up and making it more than it was.</p>
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		<title>By: ZinZin</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/906/comment-page-2#comment-45636</link>
		<dc:creator>ZinZin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 00:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am rather confused Anas by your last post. A lot of people have criticised Bukhari over this as he was supporting Irvings attempt to silence one of his critics who he sued for libel. His own words condemn him.

Youthful indiscretion? Incorrect title as MPAC did not exist then this is pathetic. 

Damn it Anas your an intelligent man yet you come out with some amazing excuses for him. Read my comments on Golmals blog anti-semitism runs through Bukhari&#039;s like lettering in a stick of rock.

Do you have an odious agenda?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am rather confused Anas by your last post. A lot of people have criticised Bukhari over this as he was supporting Irvings attempt to silence one of his critics who he sued for libel. His own words condemn him.</p>
<p>Youthful indiscretion? Incorrect title as MPAC did not exist then this is pathetic. </p>
<p>Damn it Anas your an intelligent man yet you come out with some amazing excuses for him. Read my comments on Golmals blog anti-semitism runs through Bukhari&#8217;s like lettering in a stick of rock.</p>
<p>Do you have an odious agenda?</p>
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		<title>By: Anas</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/906/comment-page-2#comment-45635</link>
		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 23:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say I am swayed in my whole view of this affair by the fact that quite a few of the people engaged in this latest round of MPAC/Bukhari baiting seem to have other quite odious agendas and don&#039;t really seem to be motivated by compassion and sympathy for the victims of the holocaust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say I am swayed in my whole view of this affair by the fact that quite a few of the people engaged in this latest round of MPAC/Bukhari baiting seem to have other quite odious agendas and don&#8217;t really seem to be motivated by compassion and sympathy for the victims of the holocaust.</p>
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		<title>By: Anas</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/906/comment-page-2#comment-45634</link>
		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 23:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, Sid, even the title of your piece, &quot;MPAC funded Irving&quot; is incorrect, since the incident took place a couple of years before MPAC was founded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, Sid, even the title of your piece, &#8220;MPAC funded Irving&#8221; is incorrect, since the incident took place a couple of years before MPAC was founded.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/906/comment-page-2#comment-45633</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 23:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A scorcher, Sid. I do enjoy a spot of considered venom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A scorcher, Sid. I do enjoy a spot of considered venom.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/906/comment-page-2#comment-45632</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 22:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anas - well read my comment in that article in reply to Gary. I&#039;ve got a million and one examples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anas &#8211; well read my comment in that article in reply to Gary. I&#8217;ve got a million and one examples.</p>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/906/comment-page-2#comment-45631</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 22:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comment on &lt;a href=&quot;http://golmal.pickledpolitics.com/2006/11/20/mpac-fond-of-irving-shocker/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Asghar Bukhari &amp; David Irving&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment on <a href="http://golmal.pickledpolitics.com/2006/11/20/mpac-fond-of-irving-shocker/" rel="nofollow">Asghar Bukhari &amp; David Irving</a>.</p>
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