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		<title>By: thermf.blogspot.com</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/904/comment-page-3#comment-45922</link>
		<dc:creator>thermf.blogspot.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Sunny Jim stokes the fires of debate...&lt;/strong&gt;

Sunny Hundal has been busy blitzing the media with an interesting debate about minority (mis) representation. His &#039;manifesto&#039; is published in today&#039;s Guardian. More debate can be found at his comment is free site, and at Pickled Politics. Click here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Sunny Jim stokes the fires of debate&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Sunny Hundal has been busy blitzing the media with an interesting debate about minority (mis) representation. His &#8216;manifesto&#8217; is published in today&#8217;s Guardian. More debate can be found at his comment is free site, and at Pickled Politics. Click here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Politics and Religion &#171; Not Saussure</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/904/comment-page-3#comment-45900</link>
		<dc:creator>Politics and Religion &#171; Not Saussure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 23:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This week, the New Generation Network  launched itself with a manifesto in the Guardian&#8217;s Comment is Free, along with an article  by one of its founders, Pickled Politics&#8217; Sunny Hundal. All very good stuff, or so it seems to me, particularly their dislike of communal politics &#8211; As Britons we want to be treated not as homogenous blocks but as free-thinking citizens with diverse views. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This week, the New Generation Network  launched itself with a manifesto in the Guardian&#8217;s Comment is Free, along with an article  by one of its founders, Pickled Politics&#8217; Sunny Hundal. All very good stuff, or so it seems to me, particularly their dislike of communal politics &#8211; As Britons we want to be treated not as homogenous blocks but as free-thinking citizens with diverse views. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jai</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/904/comment-page-3#comment-45584</link>
		<dc:creator>Jai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>=&gt;&quot;doesn’t understand why there aren’t any Arabs or Muslims&quot;

Not true. Dr Julian Bashir from DS9 was of Middle-Eastern ethnicity. Not sure if he was a Muslim, though. 

=&gt;&quot;Weren’t the Romulans a bit Asian?
Funny enough they also had a controversial cloaking device&quot;

So did the Klingons, who were partly based on (somewhat exaggerated versions of) Sikhs, amongst various other &quot;warlike&quot; groups. 

From Prince to Star Trek. That&#039;s quite an off-topic tangent to this thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>=&gt;&#8221;doesn’t understand why there aren’t any Arabs or Muslims&#8221;</p>
<p>Not true. Dr Julian Bashir from DS9 was of Middle-Eastern ethnicity. Not sure if he was a Muslim, though. </p>
<p>=&gt;&#8221;Weren’t the Romulans a bit Asian?<br />
Funny enough they also had a controversial cloaking device&#8221;</p>
<p>So did the Klingons, who were partly based on (somewhat exaggerated versions of) Sikhs, amongst various other &#8220;warlike&#8221; groups. </p>
<p>From Prince to Star Trek. That&#8217;s quite an off-topic tangent to this thread.</p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/904/comment-page-3#comment-45578</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anas, thanks for allowing me special dispensation in the cause of humour</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anas, thanks for allowing me special dispensation in the cause of humour</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/904/comment-page-3#comment-45531</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I commented on his piece on CiF...</description>
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		<title>By: Douglas Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Err.. I&#039;ve just called out Inayat Bunglawala for the second time. Does anyone here think the arguement is worth pursuing? Anas? Jai? El Cid? Cid? Leon? Anyone???? If so where are you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Err.. I&#8217;ve just called out Inayat Bunglawala for the second time. Does anyone here think the arguement is worth pursuing? Anas? Jai? El Cid? Cid? Leon? Anyone???? If so where are you?</p>
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		<title>By: Anas</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/904/comment-page-3#comment-45524</link>
		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Weren’t the Romulans a bit Asian?
Funny enough they also had a controversial cloaking device &lt;/i&gt;

There&#039;s gonna be a funny wee guy pop up any minute and reprimand you for not differentiating between Muslims who wear the veil and Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs, who don&#039;t in your amusing star trek related comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Weren’t the Romulans a bit Asian?<br />
Funny enough they also had a controversial cloaking device </i></p>
<p>There&#8217;s gonna be a funny wee guy pop up any minute and reprimand you for not differentiating between Muslims who wear the veil and Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs, who don&#8217;t in your amusing star trek related comment.</p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.startrek.com/startrek/mediaview?id=2102193&amp;episodeid=68678&amp;count=-1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.startrek.com/startrek/mediaview?id=2102193&amp;episodeid=68678&amp;count=-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.startrek.com/startrek/mediaview?id=2102193&amp;episodeid=68678&amp;count=-1</a></p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/904/comment-page-2#comment-45519</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weren&#039;t the Romulans a bit Asian?
Funny enough they also had a controversial cloaking device ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weren&#8217;t the Romulans a bit Asian?<br />
Funny enough they also had a controversial cloaking device <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/dablog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/904/comment-page-2#comment-45517</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve written an animation screenplay for a spoof of the Carry On team doing a Star Trek episode. Its called Carry On Up Uranus. Lots of &quot;Asian&quot; characters. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve written an animation screenplay for a spoof of the Carry On team doing a Star Trek episode. Its called Carry On Up Uranus. Lots of &#8220;Asian&#8221; characters. <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/dablog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...And that&#039;s why the world loves America so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;And that&#8217;s why the world loves America so much.</p>
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		<title>By: sunray</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/904/comment-page-2#comment-45515</link>
		<dc:creator>sunray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The story below does have a point to what Sunny is making.
I hope you get it.
Its funny as well.



&quot;The Iranian ambassador to the UN had just finished giving a speech and walked out into the lobby where he met the United States ambassador John Bolton.

They exchanged pleasantries and as they walked the Iranian said, &quot;You know I have just one question about what I have seen in America.Ambassador Bolton said, &quot;Well anything I can do to help you, I will.&quot;

The Iranian whispered, &quot;My son watches this show &#039;Star Trek&#039; and in it there is Chekhov who is Russian, Scotty who is Scottish, and Sulu who is Chinese, but no Iranians. My son is very upset and doesn&#039;t understand why there aren&#039;t any Arabs or Muslims on Star Trek.&quot;

Bolton laughed, leaned toward the Iranian ambassador and whispered back, &quot;It&#039;s because Star Trek takes place in the future.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story below does have a point to what Sunny is making.<br />
I hope you get it.<br />
Its funny as well.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Iranian ambassador to the UN had just finished giving a speech and walked out into the lobby where he met the United States ambassador John Bolton.</p>
<p>They exchanged pleasantries and as they walked the Iranian said, &#8220;You know I have just one question about what I have seen in America.Ambassador Bolton said, &#8220;Well anything I can do to help you, I will.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Iranian whispered, &#8220;My son watches this show &#8216;Star Trek&#8217; and in it there is Chekhov who is Russian, Scotty who is Scottish, and Sulu who is Chinese, but no Iranians. My son is very upset and doesn&#8217;t understand why there aren&#8217;t any Arabs or Muslims on Star Trek.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bolton laughed, leaned toward the Iranian ambassador and whispered back, &#8220;It&#8217;s because Star Trek takes place in the future.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, but a smart and hard working minority who have been seeking exactly that end. Irrational prejudice is part of humanity, why it erupts in a particular way and at a particular time &amp; place has specific causes. This specific irrational prejudice has been prodded into life deliberately. And, once lurching around, has been exploited and nurtured by despicable parties on both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, but a smart and hard working minority who have been seeking exactly that end. Irrational prejudice is part of humanity, why it erupts in a particular way and at a particular time &amp; place has specific causes. This specific irrational prejudice has been prodded into life deliberately. And, once lurching around, has been exploited and nurtured by despicable parties on both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: Anas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ultimately though, Don, prejudice is based on irrationality. In this case on the tarnishing of a whole community, its customs, and its beliefs due to the actions of a tiny minority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ultimately though, Don, prejudice is based on irrationality. In this case on the tarnishing of a whole community, its customs, and its beliefs due to the actions of a tiny minority.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think soru has a very sound point. Nobody is obliged to apologise for anything they are not personally responsible for. I have no intention of apologising for slavery, the raj, or what happened to the Tasmanians; I was nowhere near the place at the time. However, I recognise that the way I am perceived in some places has historical roots - and pretty iffy ones at that.

By all means point out that a &#039;climate of fear&#039; has led to scapegoating and grandstanding, that much is observably true. But don&#039;t imply that this fear and distrust is a purely irrational feeling that arrived out of nowhere; it has been assiduously cultivated over a long period of time mainly by radical islamists and more latterly by bandwagonning bigots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think soru has a very sound point. Nobody is obliged to apologise for anything they are not personally responsible for. I have no intention of apologising for slavery, the raj, or what happened to the Tasmanians; I was nowhere near the place at the time. However, I recognise that the way I am perceived in some places has historical roots &#8211; and pretty iffy ones at that.</p>
<p>By all means point out that a &#8216;climate of fear&#8217; has led to scapegoating and grandstanding, that much is observably true. But don&#8217;t imply that this fear and distrust is a purely irrational feeling that arrived out of nowhere; it has been assiduously cultivated over a long period of time mainly by radical islamists and more latterly by bandwagonning bigots.</p>
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		<title>By: Anas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talking of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329637177-110878,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CIA&lt;/a&gt;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking of the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329637177-110878,00.html" rel="nofollow">CIA</a>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: soru</title>
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		<dc:creator>soru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;She makes a very plausible argument &lt;/i&gt;

If you find that kind of thing plausible, I&#039;m not sure there&#039;s much to be said. 

At least in that article, she is making her claim explicit, rather than sliding over it as something not to be mentioned. Now, maybe it doesn&#039;t need to be mentioned a dozen times, or in every context, but when someone writes 5000 words on the topic of &#039;why do they hate america?&#039; without once mentioning the word &#039;CIA&#039;, then it&#039;s reasonable to point out they were kind of wasting their time if they were trying to persuade anyone south of the Rio Grande of their point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>She makes a very plausible argument </i></p>
<p>If you find that kind of thing plausible, I&#8217;m not sure there&#8217;s much to be said. </p>
<p>At least in that article, she is making her claim explicit, rather than sliding over it as something not to be mentioned. Now, maybe it doesn&#8217;t need to be mentioned a dozen times, or in every context, but when someone writes 5000 words on the topic of &#8216;why do they hate america?&#8217; without once mentioning the word &#8216;CIA&#8217;, then it&#8217;s reasonable to point out they were kind of wasting their time if they were trying to persuade anyone south of the Rio Grande of their point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: Anas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you actually read the article (I was going to past&lt;b&gt;e&lt;/b&gt; it &lt;b&gt;i&lt;/b&gt;n here but…)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you actually read the article (I was going to past<b>e</b> it <b>i</b>n here but…)?</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The comparison to Turkey is irrelevant because we are not bloody Turkey!&lt;/i&gt;

That line actually made me laugh out loud in the office, now I have to explain why to the curious folk nearby...:D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The comparison to Turkey is irrelevant because we are not bloody Turkey!</i></p>
<p>That line actually made me laugh out loud in the office, now I have to explain why to the curious folk nearby&#8230;:D</p>
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		<title>By: Anas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t be more off topic, but RIP Robert Altman.</description>
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