Comments on: Who has betrayed the white-working class?

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By: bananabrain

bananabrain — Mon, 06 Nov 2006 16:04:24 +0000

look at the name, sid – it’s bananabrain not bananabum.

b’shalom

By: Sid

Sid — Mon, 06 Nov 2006 16:02:19 +0000

The cool thing about amrit-dharis is that if you mess with them they won’t think twice about sticking that tree-fruit so far up your back orifice, you’ll be able tell if its in season or not. Good for you, fibre.

By: bananabrain

bananabrain — Mon, 06 Nov 2006 15:48:52 +0000

i don’t know where to post this, but i was in barcelona last week and on saturday as i was walking back from synagogue i ran into a huge, noisy group of orange-turbanned beards handing out apples and bananas to passers-by and scattering rose petals everywhere. i gather it was guru nanak’s birthday, zichrono livracha (that means “may his memory be for a blessing”) it was great, there was incredibly noisy drumming and these little kids juggling with gigantic kirpans. you wouldn’t see that in the UK i’d hazard, not with the health and safety mafia spoiling everyone’s party. it was a wonderful thing to see – not a placard in sight (or a lot of women, actually, come to think of it) and everyone from amrit-dharis to hangers-on just dancing in the street. perhaps this is where the UK muslim community is going wrong; too much whinging and hellfire and not enough free fruit.

b’shalom

bananabrain

By: Sunny

Sunny — Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:58:49 +0000

I love the Economist. Heh.

By: TheFriendlyInfidel

TheFriendlyInfidel — Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:50:03 +0000

Quoting from a decent news source, well I never!

TFI

By: sonia

sonia — Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:42:21 +0000

anyway a lot of working class people don’t want people to feel ‘sorry’ for them or be all patronizing, thanks very much.

By: sonia

sonia — Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:41:14 +0000

63 – bert/pert = you’ve got a good point in the ‘selling out’. often people who are aware of being able to go to university reject it as something the ‘other’ group does, not them – and if you do go, those around you may not be v. kind and be like ..oh you’re trying to be like one of them.

similar to you know — the whole ‘coconut’ thing – asians referring to their better-integrated friends as ‘coconuts’

By: Anas

Anas — Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:24:31 +0000

RE: Post #61

It’s divide and conquer all over again.

By: sonia

sonia — Mon, 06 Nov 2006 13:53:26 +0000

yeah nick im aware of that.

By: Nick

Nick — Mon, 06 Nov 2006 13:43:42 +0000

Sonia – “a lot of people would and do say – why did lots of people choose to not go to university when it was free?”

Well a lot of middle class people would. As a (former) WWC person myself, never mind ability, I can tell you at 18 years old THE THOUGHT NEVER EVEN OCCURRED TO ME. Or my parents. Hard to conceptualise I know but there it is. That’s the reality of class.

I actually did go, but then only – literally – by accident.

By: sonia

sonia — Mon, 06 Nov 2006 13:34:16 +0000

there’s never any ‘one’ person/ thing to blame.

a lot of people would and do say – why did lots of people choose to not go to university when it was free? there is the matter of affordability ( how do you fund your living expenses even if there isn’t any tuition) of course. however ingrained social ideas play a part too – e.g. hostility to the idea of university education – has played its part.

but there are always a complex host of reasons.

whilst regen is definitely problematic – sure it always is – but it’s hardly just ‘failed’ – making statements like that isn’t useful at all (and usually is made by people who aren’t involved in any way shape or form.) : especially since shed loads of people clearly have no idea of the work that actually gets done on the ground. yeah there are always problems in measuring things quantitatively and not capturing the qualitative aspects of beneficial change that definitely does happen. outputs – yes – the bane of much of our existence.

in any case i agree that there is a problem that race and religion has dominated so much of the discourse – and i think this goes both ways. ‘both sides’ have contributed to the situation – stirred up of course by lots of people in the middle who ought to have known better.

By: Bert Preast

Bert Preast — Mon, 06 Nov 2006 12:40:34 +0000

It seems to me the class system is still very much alive. The only difference these days is easier mobility between classes.

Perhaps some of the problems do stem from within the WWC though, in that those trying to better themselves are often looked on by their peers as selling out – so then if they make it into the middle class they are hardly full of love and sympathy for those they left behind.

By: Abhi

Abhi — Mon, 06 Nov 2006 12:33:49 +0000

Chavs as a cultural force and identity has just grown bug time since 2000!

Tony Blair u have a lot to answer for!

By: Nick

Nick — Sun, 05 Nov 2006 23:24:13 +0000

Personally I think it’s a class thing – the white media and political classes despise and fear “their” working classes who they have spent so many centuries oppressing so marginalise and fracture their culture through the likes of housing policy whenever they get the chance – all the better to keep them in their place eh?

They assuage their guilt by favouring non-whites, the unwitting pawns in the class war, who make for better cooks and – in the beginning at least – were less stroppy. Nothing lasts though, does it…

By: Jagdeep

Jagdeep — Sun, 05 Nov 2006 20:54:15 +0000

Hence, the third group to fail the white working-classes are the new generation of anti-racist campaigners who continue to paint minorities as victims rather than making their fight about the betterment of British society in general.

Yes indeed. A+ for this Hundal.