Don’t forget about the BNP


by Rumbold
13th May, 2010 at 6:56 am    

With all the discussion over coalitions, and the electoral failings of the BNP, it is easy to forget about them. They will benefit from this though, as they did best as a party which was able to act as insurgents, reducing critics to yelling ‘racist’ at them rather than examining and dissecting their policies and behaviour. This was before the spotlights of mockery and detailed criticism fell upon them, making them look like an extremist laugh stock in the eyes of many. This successful strategy, which involved a lot of work by a lot of people, shouldn’t be ditched just because of the election, as the BNP, or something similar, could well regain their former strength and it would be back to square one. And in case the BNP try to soften their image, here’s Nick Griffin expounding his philosophy in 2007.

(Hat-tip: Jai for the video)


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  1. Kismet Hardy — on 13th May, 2010 at 10:52 am  

    Someone suggested recently that BNP would have less support now that a right-wing government is in power. But the NF were pretty hardcore last time the tories were around, no?

  2. Paul Garrard — on 13th May, 2010 at 1:08 pm  

    We need to be constantly on our guard against the BNP. They might have not done so well in last week’s elections but they will still be there festering in a dark corner. Vigilance needs to be the watch word.

  3. Sofia — on 13th May, 2010 at 3:28 pm  

    The NF got about 500 votes in Hillingdon – that’s 500 too many in my eyes..
    http://www.hillingdon.gov.uk/index.jsp?articleid=19953

  4. Sofia — on 13th May, 2010 at 3:29 pm  

    sorry that was simply hayes…which has high ethnic population..

  5. Mangles — on 13th May, 2010 at 4:26 pm  

    Thanks for the link Sofia. 500 NF votes coupled with over 1500 votes for BNP gave the far right nearly 2100 votes in this particular constituency, which on the surface I would describe as a very stable and cohesive community (that the impression I get as a regular passer through) so definitely worrying – if 5% of the electorate have bought the lies of the far right. Lets face it 5% of all voters will represent a high proportion of white voters. Concerning.

    I agree with Rumbold and Paul Garrard – no time for complacency. The battle is won but the war is not over yet.

    Hope Not Hate was a very good campaign in winning over the masses from the lies of the BNP. Nick Lowles and all the people who helped deserve a lot of praise. Well done guys and gals – wish I cud have taken a bit more time out to be there with you. These efforts need to continue and need to keep exposing the idiots that the BNP are – and their lies

    Rab rakha!

  6. earwicga — on 13th May, 2010 at 5:32 pm  

    Yes Kismet, having a right wing parliament means more hatred and spite is churned up everyday in their day to day activities, and other hateful groups benefit from this.

  7. Jai — on 13th May, 2010 at 6:29 pm  

    If you haven’t checked it out already, I strongly recommend that you watch the video mentioned in the main article — it’s from a speech Griffin gave in the US in 2007, so it’s relatively recent. The clip is about 10 minutes long but definitely worth watching in full.

    It takes a couple of minutes for some of the audience to settle down, but Griffin (and various audience members repeatedly confronting him about a range of issues) can be heard very clearly from then on. He steadily gets worse and worse as he continues, and is far more open about showing his real nasty personality, bigoted & ignorant opinions, and sneering attitude towards ordinary members of the public than he usually is when publicly wearing his more “PR friendly” mask here in the UK.

  8. Tom Johnson — on 13th May, 2010 at 8:54 pm  

    Anyone that believes Cameron heads up a rightwing govt must be so far to the left that they’ve lost all sense of perspective.

    The hysteria that the BNP manage to whip up in the febrile heads of UAF/Respect/N Lab is laughable: they don’t have a single MP, they would need 326 for a parliamentary majority, they have something like 29 councillors out of more than 20,000, they don’t run a single council out of more than 300.

    If you really want to put a dent in the BNP I suggest you sign up to our coalition govt’s plan to restrict the numbers of non EU ers from entry and lobby against the plans of all three parties to open the floodgates to 75 million low waged Turks.

  9. Dalbir — on 13th May, 2010 at 9:00 pm  

    It is no big secret that a lot of what may happen in futures hinges on two things:

    1) Council accommodation
    2) Immigration

    Actually let me add a third which is more difficult to define, but I’ll try……

    3)…….I’d say it was white relations with Muslim communities internal to this country and external. I say this knowing that if it wasn’t Muslims, some other tribe would be on the receiving end for some reason or another i.e. ‘blacks do too much crime’.

    I believe the BNP’s growth or otherwise will mainly be related to what happens in the above areas in the next few years.

    Regarding 1 & 2 above, does anyone seriously think there is going to be much change to current practices? If not, we can say that the gripes will remain and needless to say, exploited by Mr. Griffin and his ilk. Unless we have a miracle recovery and prosperity with lots of jobs for everyone real soon, which is highly unlikely.

    One thing we have to seriously ponder is the way so many traditional WC jobs have evaporated into thin air in this country. What the fuck is going to be done about that? Plus, the EU brings in (usually) better motivated, harder working people to do the low level jobs that do exist. The future looks bleak for the WWC in these respects. They do have a historic predilection to blame foreigners for all there woes in times of crisis.

    International politics will have its sway. As seen in NY a few days ago, there are people who view current wars as anti-Islam ones, and feel justified to strike back at the population and infrastructures of perceived enemies somewhat indiscriminately. The UK’s ‘Joey boying’ to America has left us open to this. An increase in action in this department may swing opinions rightwards also.

    On a related note that news from Hayes is very negative. It should show us all that this facade of anti-Islam by the BNP types is only a cover of sorts. Hayes is a strong Sikh area in terms of its brown folk. So the usual complaints leveled at Muslims of not mixing and sharing cultural norms (like a pint), or underhand conversions and organised grooming don’t really exist, but still it seems like a portion of whites there still chose the far right. What can we learn from this?

  10. Mangles — on 13th May, 2010 at 11:11 pm  

    Jai – the video clearly bears naked griffo’s explicit hatred for all minorities and how deceitful their strategy of targeting Islam really is. Are we surprised? No!

    It also shows the wacko idiot cant discuss and back up his argument beyond the rehearsed rhetoric he has noted on his crib sheet. And this twat is the leader of the BNP? Says a lot about the rest of the illiterate crew that make up this gang.

    Dalbir ‘What can we learn from this?’ The fact that BNP and NF both targeted this seat means they put a lot of effort and resources into this area. That effort paid off and they got reasonable voter support. It also means that just as Barking was a shock to the system when the BNP got so many cllrs in one night- other areas can be just as susceptible to their lies and offal.

    Lets not forget Barking too is also an area where significantly Sikh settlement is the most pronounced of visible minorities rather than their targeted Islamic hatred; an area in which in 2006 the issue that took centre stage was the inward migration of Eastern Europeans. They target suspicion and fear and turn this into hatred.

    The latest battle has been won – the war continues.

    Rab rakha!

  11. douglas clark — on 14th May, 2010 at 1:21 am  

    Rumbold,

    The only policy they appear to have that reverberates with the broader public is immigration. They have nothing, nada, to offer to the electorate other than demonising folk that aren’t white, or alternatively don’t have Neanderthal genes, take your pick.

    They have a political leader that, almost, makes Lord Pearson of Rannoch, appear sane.

    There is little evidence to suggest that they could do entryism into the Conservative Party, far less the Liberal Party.

    I do not think that they matter, very much….

    Sound, but no fury, perhaps.

    Please, keep an eye on them, by all means, but don’t large them up.

    They are a dead parrot, a deceased parrot, a parrot of it’s time that is now extinct, or at least on the endangered species list.

  12. Yakoub — on 14th May, 2010 at 6:53 am  

    Here’s a BNP party political broadcast, or perhaps it’s someone taking the piss: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsDr4tEPgQw

    And more seriously, how they tried to attribute an erroneous quote to Winston Churchill:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hyBYYZo3xU

  13. Rumbold — on 14th May, 2010 at 8:32 am  

    Douglas:

    That they have nothing to offer is proof that we need to continue to press and critique the BNP, so that they can be exposed.

  14. Yakoub — on 14th May, 2010 at 9:04 am  

    “examining and dissecting their policies and behaviour”?? Nonsense!! The BNP are a fascist racist party who have managed to garner votes by employing a number of reprehensible political strategies, most notably by pretending not to be fascist and racist. Thanks to intelligent campaigning by the likes of Hope Not Hate, many voters were able to see through this facade and rejected them.

    We need to continue to draw attention to BNP lies, including their local “big lie” approach, as well as their links to the bovver boys in the EDL. That’s called political activism, as opposed to trying to compete with Iain Dale for plaudits and Net cred.

  15. Avi — on 14th May, 2010 at 9:08 am  

    Are the BNP still supporting Israel ? What about the EDL ? With ‘friends’ like these fellows, what is it with the Brits?

    Roll on Miliband bros and Ed Balls taking over — these men are good for Jews, good for Israel. Let’s not forget how Clegg had the utter gall to accuse Israel of war crimes in Gaza, and Tonge spread blood libel canards about ‘organ harvesting’, all unfounded anti semitic rumor straight out of the “Protocols.”

  16. Sarah AB — on 14th May, 2010 at 9:23 am  

    Avi – once again apologies if I’ve got you completely wrong – but it’s interesting that, after I raised doubts about your identity on another thread, you immediately seek to distance yourself from the BNP. And the EDL. You clearly take a great interest in British politics.

  17. Fat Freddy — on 14th May, 2010 at 9:28 am  

    The struggle against the scourge of racism in Ireland:

    http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2010/05/minister_to_roo.php

    Vigilance must not be relaxed.

  18. earwicga — on 14th May, 2010 at 9:28 am  

    Let’s not forget how Clegg had the utter gall to accuse Israel of war crimes in Gaza

    *Slow hand clap*

  19. Avi — on 14th May, 2010 at 9:32 am  

    Sarah, why do my posts confuse you? And what is the slow hand clap business means?

  20. Sarah AB — on 14th May, 2010 at 9:51 am  

    Avi – if you are genuine then I take it back and will explain.

    I thought it odd that an Israeli, and not apparently a left wing one, would especially like Miliband as I thought he took a rather firm line on Israel, if anything.

    On this site – and other blogs – it’s not uncommon for members of the BNP to affect personas in order to turn people against their targets. For example, pretending to be an African with hateful views about homosexuality or a Muslim who is a frothing anti-semite etc. I thought it was possible that you might be a BNP supporter who didn’t like the idea of a Jewish Labour party leader and hoped that by pretending to be a rather forceful Israeli expressing great approval for him you might turn people off David Miliband – there *is* some anti Israel feeling in the UK and the implication that DM favours Israel might indeed not go down well. I thought your characterisation of DM as ‘a real walk it like you talk it guy, a talk tough guy’ was a bit odd and it also seemed odd that you’d posted almost identical comments on so many different threads.

    But – sorry if I was over reading you – I am an English Lit lecturer and am inclined to over read! – and I actually emailed Clegg to complain about Tonge’s comments so I can sympathise with you there.

  21. Avi — on 14th May, 2010 at 10:29 am  

    Sarah, Miliband is Jewish, and rightly,he’s pro Israel — he is a supporter of Hasbara — do the googling. Also, Miliband is supported by super SUPER Zionist pro Israel webpage, ‘Harry’s Place’. Any self respecting Zionist knows that Harry’s Place is where all the pro Israelis congregate.

    http://hurryupharry.org/2010/05/13/david-miliband-has-no-reason-to-wait/

    why is it the only Jews you Brits seem to like are anti Semitic Jews like Gilad Atzmon , Finkelstein, Illan Pappe, Shlomo Sand and Neturei Karta Rabbis.

  22. Ravi Naik — on 14th May, 2010 at 10:55 am  

    Roll on Miliband bros and Ed Balls taking over — these men are good for Jews, good for Israel…. Also, Miliband is supported by super SUPER Zionist

    Sarah, I totally agree with you that there is something odd about Avi, and the terms he used like “super zionist” and expressions like “good for Jews” are the sort of language one can expect from an anti-Semite.

    I suspect Avi is an Islamist, but one can never tell.

  23. Avi — on 14th May, 2010 at 11:14 am  

    Ravi, saying someone is ‘good for jews’ is anti semitic?

    Well I don’t know what to say — why, that must make a leading Israeli newspaper anti semitic then.

    ‘Clegg anti-Israel, Cameron good for Jews’

    http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3886065,00.html

    What is it with you Brits?And you think Harry’s Place would even blush at being called SUPER Zionist? They’d rightly be proud sir! They ARE super Zonist and make no apologies for supporting Israel — why should they be bashful? SUPER Zonists they certainly are — why don’t you post on their page and ask them yourself if you doubt it ?

  24. Geoff — on 14th May, 2010 at 11:32 am  

    What most people don’t seem to realise about the BNP is that it is a political party and that means it has a whole range of policies not just one on immigration. Here is a suumary of the sections covered in its manifesto, which sadly only a few people bothered to read.

    * BNP Defence Policy
    * Immigration
    * Environmental Protection and “Climate Change” Theory
    * Leaving the European Union
    * Counter Jihad: Confronting the Islamic Colonisation of Britain
    * Renationalising the Welfare State
    * The Restoration of Our Civil Liberties
    * Constitutional Change: Protecting and Enhancing Our Heritage
    * Democracy and the Media
    * Culture, Traditions and Civil Society
    * Get Tough on Crime and Criminals
    * A Healthy Nation: Public Health and the NHS
    * Education for a British Future
    * Transport: Getting Britain Moving Again
    * Agriculture: Food and Fisheries
    * Energy: Fuelling the Nation’s Growth
    * Foreign Policy: Putting British Interests First
    * Housing: Sheltering the Nation
    * The Economy: Putting Britain Back on the Road to Recovery
    * Creating Local Economies
    * Pensions: Looking After Our Old People
    * IT and the Digital Revolution: The BNP’s Vision

  25. Ravi Naik — on 14th May, 2010 at 11:34 am  

    Ravi, saying someone is ‘good for jews’ is anti semitic?

    Not necessarily – but you seem to over-emphasize Miliband’s otherness, with the insinuation that he is part of a Jewish cabal. The fact that you use the term “super zionist” doesn’t help.

  26. Avi — on 14th May, 2010 at 11:45 am  

    Miliband’s otherness? Are you anti Semitic? Why do you have to cast him as being some kind of ‘other?’ Are you implying that he has some kind of hidden ‘other’ allegiances? I think you should check your own ‘anti semitic impulses’ Ravi – I find it very insulting actually, that you refer to Miliband’s apparent ‘otherness’ . Who else is ‘other’ in your book then? Miliband is English and Jewish , and he’s pro Israel too . And why shouldn’t he be — do you possibly have a problem with that? And why is saying someone is a super zionist a problem? Don’t you know anything about the history of Zionism? You seem to think the word ‘zionist’ is exclusively part of anti semitic discourse.

    Read on — http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/zionism.html

    Also, leading anti fascist Jewish scholar , Zeev Sternhell, calls him self exactly that, a SUPER Zionist — and why on earth shouldn’t he? Well Ravi?

    “Sternhell said in an interview with Ha-Aretz:I am not only a Zionist, I am a super-Zionist.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeev_Sternhell#Political_views

  27. Ravi Naik — on 14th May, 2010 at 12:16 pm  

    Miliband’s otherness? Are you anti Semitic? Why do you have to cast him as being some kind of ‘other?’ Are you implying that he has some kind of hidden ‘other’ allegiances?

    Don’t project. That’s like over-emphasizing that Obama, as an American presidential candidate, is good for Kenya or Muslims.

    Not sure why, but you remind me of an old PP regular called Imran Khan.

  28. Sofia — on 14th May, 2010 at 12:27 pm  

    I was surprised at the nf,bnp,eng dem, results in Hayes…but then if you add it to the rest of the results in Hillingdon it’s even worse. How would PR affect these kinds of votes…?

  29. Ravi Naik — on 14th May, 2010 at 12:41 pm  

    I was surprised at the nf,bnp,eng dem, results in Hayes…but then if you add it to the rest of the results in Hillingdon it’s even worse. How would PR affect these kinds of votes…?

    The proportional count would only be triggered if parties reach a certain threshold, such as 5% nationally. In this case, the BNP would still not have any MPs with 1.88% of the vote.

    Having said that – the BNP could well elect an MP with PR, because all they need to do is spread around Britain with minimum support in each constituency. They are already salivating about the prospect of one day being called to form a coalition.

  30. Ravi Naik — on 14th May, 2010 at 12:56 pm  

    Miliband’s otherness?

    This article should provide a bit of context.

  31. Avi — on 14th May, 2010 at 1:45 pm  

    Ravi wrote — “That’s like over-emphasizing that Obama, as an American presidential candidate, is good for Kenya or Muslims. ”

    Well, you know what Ravi, I wouldn’t actually consider it a bad thing at all if Obama was good for Africans –would you? And if so — why ? You are tying yourself in knots here.

    In fact, I’d really like to overemphasize my strong wish that Obama would be good for Africans. That would be the least he could do to make up for the Americans brutality to slaves.

    Or you seem to think that kind of wish is racist or suspect in some way?

  32. Ravi Naik — on 14th May, 2010 at 2:43 pm  

    Or you seem to think that kind of wish is racist or suspect in some way?

    It is not about good wishes, Avi. It’s about being a weasel.

  33. DisgustedOfTunbridgeWells — on 14th May, 2010 at 5:42 pm  

    One thing we have to seriously ponder is the way so many traditional WC jobs have evaporated into thin air in this country.

    They haven’t ‘evaporated’ have they, as you suggest there was competition for those jobs and the wwc for the most part, lost – T.I.N.A.

    What the fuck is going to be done about that? Plus, the EU brings in (usually) better motivated, harder working people to do the low level jobs that do exist.

    Why would anything ‘be done’? The BNP certainly don’t do anything about it, all their shit is made in Slovakia and Honduras. Competition breeds efficiency, if the wwc want to sit around threatening to turn fascist because the state hasn’t delivered their five acres, they can knock themselves out. After all Griffin bankrupted himself and left his own parents with bugger all, what could possibly go wrong?

  34. Don — on 14th May, 2010 at 6:07 pm  

    Ravi,

    Yeah, there is something not quite right about the cut of Avi’s jib. Reminiscent of false-flag trolls we have seen before.

    Could be wrong, but I don’t think he is being straight about his agenda.

  35. KB Player — on 14th May, 2010 at 7:28 pm  

    Avi is a creep who’s taking the piss.

  36. Dalbir — on 14th May, 2010 at 8:08 pm  

    They haven’t ‘evaporated’ have they, as you suggest there was competition for those jobs and the wwc for the most part, lost – T.I.N.A.

    Come on. The decline of ship building, factories, mills, coal mines etc. has had some impact.

    But you are right with the latter part of your post. It is a bit shite of the WWC to face challenges/competition with nazism. Maybe I’m being too kind?

    What does TINA stand for btw?

  37. DisgustedOfTunbridgeWells — on 14th May, 2010 at 11:54 pm  

    Of course it’s had an impact but there were reasons for all of it, a lot of which had to do with either the workers themselves or with British consumers voting for globalisation with their pennies.

    The British consumer chose Norwegian gas over British coal, why? Cheaper.

    The British consumer chose Japanese, French and German cars over British cars, why? British cars were shit and the workers thought it was an idea to sleep on the job.

    The British consumer chose shoes and clothes stitched together by children in an Indonesian EPZ, why? Cheaper than British textiles. Jeans for two and sixpence in Tesco? Why it’s a miracle of globalisation.

    The workers who made those jeans coming to England to work in a Huddersfield textile factory? Get migrationwatch on the phone.

    Cadbury, the latest example, nobody asks why a British company wasn’t in a position to take over Kraft, why bother when you can go on CiF and demand that the state ‘do something’.

    The point of globalisation was that developing countries would take over the manual stuff and we’d step up to a knowledge based economy (not exactly a perfectly functioning scheme, of course, we can argue over the reasons for physics graduates working in box factories whilst ministers wibble on about ‘the skills gap’) unfortunately certain sections of society have decided that whilst they’re willing to take the cheap imports (ie – the ‘good bit’) they’re not willing to either put the effort into specialisation to maintain their own relevance and/or to compete in an expanded marketplace just as the people who made their flat screen tv had to. So now the train has departed the station, they’re left on the platform stamping their feet and screaming “where’s my mule” – well they can fuck right off.

    Nick ‘all my tat gets made abroad and I do so enjoy employing apartheid era South Africans’ Griffin is inevitably the archetype of the ‘British jobs’ crowd, it’s always the next guy along who’s supposed to bear the burden of it – “I want a hyper reliable Honda, YOU have to buy an austin maxi to support British industry.”

    We made the rules and we still fucking lost, there’s nothing really to ‘be done’ and even if there were we’re not in a position to tell China and India – “oh did we say free markets, we actually meant we take all the juicy bits whilst you spend the rest of your days gluing Nikes together and changing my mobile phone tariff at 4am, better luck next time fuckface.”

    TINA? There Is No Alternative, was the Thatcherite mantra for globalisation.

  38. I AM DUFFY — on 15th May, 2010 at 6:34 am  

    @Disgusted

    Yes, you are absolutely correct, the British Consumer is operating in an entirely rational manner. But in order for BCs to do so, there have to be British Producers (BPs) around in sufficient number to make stuff that generates the foreign exchange that allows BCs to strut their stuff.

    Who are these BPs and what is it that they turn out that has the world flocking to our door to hand over the cash for BCs to consume foreign manufactures on the scale that they do?

    Pray do tell.

  39. Dalbir — on 15th May, 2010 at 10:27 am  

    I don’t really disagree with your assessment Disgusted. That being said, on ground level, what we are talking of can easily translate into low level violence and general nastiness towards those perceived as ‘Johnny Foreigner’. That is really the main concern for some of us especially as our families can easily end up on the receiving end. The inevitable tit for tat retaliation that would come arise from such a scenario is another thing we would do well to avoid. That is, of course, talking of a possible ‘worse case scenario’ but I still maintain we shouldn’t become complacent to such an extent that we believe such things could never happen. What to do with a disgruntled workshy wc?

  40. DisgustedOfTunbridgeWells — on 15th May, 2010 at 12:19 pm  

    Well, exactly and of course it basically did happen in Stoke. White terror plots are being thwarted fairly regularly now.

    So far the answer seems to be “nod along and tell them how right they are about everything” but realistically I really don’t know what can actually be done, it is what it is.

    @38

    http://www.platypusinnovation.com/asset?assetId=2743
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTSE_250_Index

    Apparently.

  41. I AM DUFFY — on 15th May, 2010 at 5:28 pm  

    Sadly, Disgusted, even the sterling efforts of the FTSE 250 are insufficient to sustain those many millions of BCs suckling on the public teat, including not least of course the legions of diversity wallahs and community cohesion operatives recruited under NuLabor.

    Lookee here:

    http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=277

  42. DisgustedOfTunbridgeWells — on 16th May, 2010 at 3:06 am  

    Debt, unfortunately, not restricted to the public sector.

    How much do we collectively owe these days, $9 trillion, ish?

  43. Jai — on 17th May, 2010 at 10:08 am  

    What most people don’t seem to realise about the BNP is that it is a political party and that means it has a whole range of policies not just one on immigration. Here is a suumary of the sections covered in its manifesto

    Analysed in detail and completely demolished by “Nothing British about the BNP” here:

    http://www.nothingbritish.com/resources/NBmanifestoresponse.pdf

    As Jeremy Paxman accurately remarked to Nick Griffin on Newsnight a couple of weekends ago shortly before the election (and after the release of the BNP’s latest manifesto), “The BNP’s policies don’t actually solve the problems they claim to identify”. Griffin agreed, and mumbled something about the real aim being to “introduce these topics into the national discourse” (or words to that effect)…..which renders the ‘policies’ and ‘solutions’ within the BNP’s manifesto as utterly worthless.

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