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	<title>Comments on: Just another Muslim story</title>
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		<title>By: Endie</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/859/comment-page-2#comment-43865</link>
		<dc:creator>Endie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>waxon says:
&quot;What other big lies have we had putting the blame on the Muslim community. 9-11, 7-7, Ricin Plot, Old Trafford FC plot, Trans=atlantic bomb plot and countless others…&quot;

Um, 9-11 wasn&#039;t done by muslims?  And 7-7: that was a bunch of, erm, atheists, was it?  Presumably Richard Reid, the shoe-bomber, was actually a member of the evangelical wing of the Church of England?

I like you.  You&#039;re funny when you talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>waxon says:<br />
&#8220;What other big lies have we had putting the blame on the Muslim community. 9-11, 7-7, Ricin Plot, Old Trafford FC plot, Trans=atlantic bomb plot and countless others…&#8221;</p>
<p>Um, 9-11 wasn&#8217;t done by muslims?  And 7-7: that was a bunch of, erm, atheists, was it?  Presumably Richard Reid, the shoe-bomber, was actually a member of the evangelical wing of the Church of England?</p>
<p>I like you.  You&#8217;re funny when you talk.</p>
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		<title>By: Indigo Jo Blogs</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/859/comment-page-2#comment-42250</link>
		<dc:creator>Indigo Jo Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Windsor arson &quot;not racially motivated&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

Via Pickled Politics, it&#039;s been revealed that Thames Valley police believe that the arson attack on a house that was due to be inhabited by injured Iraq veterans, widely reported to have been carried out by local delinquent Muslim youths,......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Windsor arson &#8220;not racially motivated&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Via Pickled Politics, it&#8217;s been revealed that Thames Valley police believe that the arson attack on a house that was due to be inhabited by injured Iraq veterans, widely reported to have been carried out by local delinquent Muslim youths,&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/859/comment-page-2#comment-42210</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If you choose not to, then reflect, silly thing, on how such an unwelcome association may look in a few years time.&lt;/i&gt;

When I need tips on how I should present myself from you Electro, I&#039;ll ask. You can be assured of that. Now is most definitely not that time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If you choose not to, then reflect, silly thing, on how such an unwelcome association may look in a few years time.</i></p>
<p>When I need tips on how I should present myself from you Electro, I&#8217;ll ask. You can be assured of that. Now is most definitely not that time.</p>
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		<title>By: Electro</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/859/comment-page-2#comment-42208</link>
		<dc:creator>Electro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sunny’s writings are usually, though not always, part and parcel of the cultural superstructure that masks, justifies and softens the vicious exploitation taking place *down below*, in the economic substructures&lt;/i&gt;

Translation: You&#039;re a misguided dupe who shills for economic interests.

The cog that spin-meisters *management&#039;s* cheap-labour needs.

Are you really so unaware and naive as to aid the very economic forces you so often decry?

And I DID mention that NOT all your writing amounted to only that.

&lt;i&gt;English…do you speak it?&lt;/i&gt;

I speak several languages.

And I still think you should be asking (protesting?) that a certain website to remove its link to your article. If you choose not to, then reflect, silly thing, on how such an unwelcome association may look in a few years time. 

BNP links can be worn as a badge of anti-racism honour. They make you appear heoric. Links to &quot;Islamophobiawatch&quot; do no such thing; you come out sullied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sunny’s writings are usually, though not always, part and parcel of the cultural superstructure that masks, justifies and softens the vicious exploitation taking place *down below*, in the economic substructures</i></p>
<p>Translation: You&#8217;re a misguided dupe who shills for economic interests.</p>
<p>The cog that spin-meisters *management&#8217;s* cheap-labour needs.</p>
<p>Are you really so unaware and naive as to aid the very economic forces you so often decry?</p>
<p>And I DID mention that NOT all your writing amounted to only that.</p>
<p><i>English…do you speak it?</i></p>
<p>I speak several languages.</p>
<p>And I still think you should be asking (protesting?) that a certain website to remove its link to your article. If you choose not to, then reflect, silly thing, on how such an unwelcome association may look in a few years time. </p>
<p>BNP links can be worn as a badge of anti-racism honour. They make you appear heoric. Links to &#8220;Islamophobiawatch&#8221; do no such thing; you come out sullied.</p>
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		<title>By: Clairwil</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/859/comment-page-2#comment-42206</link>
		<dc:creator>Clairwil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloody Hell,
Electro is the poor man&#039;s Amir. As you know I&#039;m rather fond of Amir not because I agree with him but because he reminds me of a cat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloody Hell,<br />
Electro is the poor man&#8217;s Amir. As you know I&#8217;m rather fond of Amir not because I agree with him but because he reminds me of a cat.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/859/comment-page-2#comment-42204</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sunny’s writings are usually, though not always, part and parcel of the cultural superstructure that masks, justifies and softens the vicious exploitation taking place *down below*, in the economic substructures.&lt;/i&gt;

English...do you speak it?

As for your other rantings... the BNP have actually linked to me in the past and even started a march in my honour. 
http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/51

See. Here you go Electro. Now please stop bothering me with your ad hominem attacks. they&#039;re as boring as Amir&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sunny’s writings are usually, though not always, part and parcel of the cultural superstructure that masks, justifies and softens the vicious exploitation taking place *down below*, in the economic substructures.</i></p>
<p>English&#8230;do you speak it?</p>
<p>As for your other rantings&#8230; the BNP have actually linked to me in the past and even started a march in my honour.<br />
<a href="http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/51" rel="nofollow">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/51</a></p>
<p>See. Here you go Electro. Now please stop bothering me with your ad hominem attacks. they&#8217;re as boring as Amir&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Sahil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sahil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just read my comment and it sounds patronising, but it&#039;s not meant to be, my bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just read my comment and it sounds patronising, but it&#8217;s not meant to be, my bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Sahil</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/859/comment-page-2#comment-42194</link>
		<dc:creator>Sahil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anas that could possibly be the most sensible thing I&#039;ve ever seen you write :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anas that could possibly be the most sensible thing I&#8217;ve ever seen you write <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/dablog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anas</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/859/comment-page-2#comment-42190</link>
		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We’re talking about the same individual, Anas, who was trashed and slandered by “islamophobia-watch”, the same rancid website Sunny allows to post links to his writings.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;d hardly say she was trashed and slandered. The commentary on the times article (the only reference I could find on her) on IW reads:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Looks like Sweden has found its own Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Sabuni has already received the endorsement of Little Green Footballs and Dhimmi Watch.

P.S. And Western Resistance &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The first sentence is fairly innocuous, and in fact rates as offensive only if you find AHA offensive. As for the rest, she&#039;s either been endorsed by those sites or she hasn&#039;t. It&#039;s a claim that can fairly easily be checked out.

BTW. I don&#039;t really know IW so could you please substantiate your claims about jew-hating and the rest, pref. with quotes and links. Thanx


&lt;i&gt;
So here’s the ten dollar question, Anas; do you or do you not agree with much of what Sweden’s new immigration minister has said and done recently?

Or do you feel that her opinions are *islamophobic*?

I ask these questions because this gal constitutes a litmus test for REAL progressive sentiments, and so she has a lot to do with the current debate. 

Her unpopular views separate the grain from the faux-moderate chaff.

Which are you? &lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;ll call this a cop out, but I geniunely couldn&#039;t say on the basis of one newspaper report. For a start, I don&#039;t know what the situation is like for Muslims in Sweden or whether or not her comments are taking place in an atmosphere of general hostility towards the immigrant population. Important, because as we&#039;ve seen over the past few weeks you cannot separate criticisms and comments by public figures from the context in which they occur. And with all politicians, it helps to know what the political landscape is like, in other words what kind of capital they&#039;re getting out of making such statements. Although I&#039;m glad you have such faith in politicians as to think they&#039;d be capable of making statements they thought might be construed as unpopular (unless they&#039;d given up chance of high office); her words may not be popular among Muslims but I&#039;d wager they are fairly popular among the white majority. 

But from her words alone I wouldn&#039;t say she&#039;s islamaphobic -- maybe misguided -- but I wouldn&#039;t really agree with her views either. She may not be islamaphobic herself but her words are probably being used by Islamophobes, but again I&#039;d need to know more about the Swedish political scene to comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We’re talking about the same individual, Anas, who was trashed and slandered by “islamophobia-watch”, the same rancid website Sunny allows to post links to his writings.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;d hardly say she was trashed and slandered. The commentary on the times article (the only reference I could find on her) on IW reads:</p>
<blockquote><p>Looks like Sweden has found its own Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Sabuni has already received the endorsement of Little Green Footballs and Dhimmi Watch.</p>
<p>P.S. And Western Resistance </p></blockquote>
<p>The first sentence is fairly innocuous, and in fact rates as offensive only if you find AHA offensive. As for the rest, she&#8217;s either been endorsed by those sites or she hasn&#8217;t. It&#8217;s a claim that can fairly easily be checked out.</p>
<p>BTW. I don&#8217;t really know IW so could you please substantiate your claims about jew-hating and the rest, pref. with quotes and links. Thanx</p>
<p><i><br />
So here’s the ten dollar question, Anas; do you or do you not agree with much of what Sweden’s new immigration minister has said and done recently?</p>
<p>Or do you feel that her opinions are *islamophobic*?</p>
<p>I ask these questions because this gal constitutes a litmus test for REAL progressive sentiments, and so she has a lot to do with the current debate. </p>
<p>Her unpopular views separate the grain from the faux-moderate chaff.</p>
<p>Which are you? </i></p>
<p>You&#8217;ll call this a cop out, but I geniunely couldn&#8217;t say on the basis of one newspaper report. For a start, I don&#8217;t know what the situation is like for Muslims in Sweden or whether or not her comments are taking place in an atmosphere of general hostility towards the immigrant population. Important, because as we&#8217;ve seen over the past few weeks you cannot separate criticisms and comments by public figures from the context in which they occur. And with all politicians, it helps to know what the political landscape is like, in other words what kind of capital they&#8217;re getting out of making such statements. Although I&#8217;m glad you have such faith in politicians as to think they&#8217;d be capable of making statements they thought might be construed as unpopular (unless they&#8217;d given up chance of high office); her words may not be popular among Muslims but I&#8217;d wager they are fairly popular among the white majority. </p>
<p>But from her words alone I wouldn&#8217;t say she&#8217;s islamaphobic &#8212; maybe misguided &#8212; but I wouldn&#8217;t really agree with her views either. She may not be islamaphobic herself but her words are probably being used by Islamophobes, but again I&#8217;d need to know more about the Swedish political scene to comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Anas</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/859/comment-page-2#comment-42188</link>
		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh I didn&#039;t notice Sunny covered this story on another thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh I didn&#8217;t notice Sunny covered this story on another thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Electro</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/859/comment-page-2#comment-42186</link>
		<dc:creator>Electro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweden&#039;s immigration has a great deal to do with this debate.http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2415525,00.html.

We&#039;re talking about the same individual, Anas, who was trashed and slandered by &quot;islamophobia-watch&quot;, the same rancid website Sunny allows to post links to his writings.

So here&#039;s the ten dollar question, Anas; do you or do you not agree with much of what Sweden&#039;s new immigration minister has said and done recently?

Or do you feel that her opinions are *islamophobic*?

I ask these questions because this gal constitutes a litmus test for REAL progressive sentiments, and so she has a lot to do with the current debate. 

Her unpopular views separate the grain from the faux-moderate chaff.

Which are you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweden&#8217;s immigration has a great deal to do with this debate.http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2415525,00.html.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re talking about the same individual, Anas, who was trashed and slandered by &#8220;islamophobia-watch&#8221;, the same rancid website Sunny allows to post links to his writings.</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s the ten dollar question, Anas; do you or do you not agree with much of what Sweden&#8217;s new immigration minister has said and done recently?</p>
<p>Or do you feel that her opinions are *islamophobic*?</p>
<p>I ask these questions because this gal constitutes a litmus test for REAL progressive sentiments, and so she has a lot to do with the current debate. </p>
<p>Her unpopular views separate the grain from the faux-moderate chaff.</p>
<p>Which are you?</p>
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		<title>By: Chairwoman</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/859/comment-page-2#comment-42183</link>
		<dc:creator>Chairwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anas - Thanks for pointing that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anas &#8211; Thanks for pointing that out.</p>
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		<title>By: Anas</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/859/comment-page-2#comment-42181</link>
		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, this explains it all (from Wikipedia http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyamko_Sabuni):

Nyamko Sabuni, född 31 mars 1969 i Burundi, folkpartistisk politiker, pr-konsult, riksdagsledamot 2002-2006, medlem av partistyrelsen sedan våren 2004, integrations- och jämställdhetsminister sedan 2006.

Fadern är politisk flykting från Kongo-Kinshasa, och Nyamko Sabuni föddes i exil i Burundi. Familjen är muslimsk. Hon kom till Sverige 1981, tolv år gammal, och växte upp i Kungsängen. Hon har studerat juridik, migrationspolitik och information och kommunikation.

2002 valdes Nyamko Sabuni in i riksdagen och tog tjänstledigt från kommunikationsbyrån Geelmuyden.Kiese. Hon har varit egen företagare inom friskvård, med två anställda.

Som politiker har Sabuni arbetat mycket med frågor som rör jämlikhet och jämställdhet. 2006 utkom hon med boken Flickorna vi sviker, om hederskulturer och brott mot utlandsfödda kvinnor. Av hennes mest uppmärksammade utspel kan nämnas obligatoriska gynekolog-kontroller på alla flickor för att komma åt problemet med könsstympning samt slöjförbud i skolan [1]. Sabuni har också profilerat sig som en av de mest kritiska inom Folkpartiet till religiösa friskolor.

Sabuni förlorade sin riksdagsplats i valet 2006, men utsågs kort därefter (den 6 oktober 2006) till integrations- och jämställdhetsminister i regeringen Reinfeldt. Även konsumentfrågor ligger inom hennes ansvarsområde.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, this explains it all (from Wikipedia <a href="http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyamko_Sabuni)" rel="nofollow">http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyamko_Sabuni)</a>:</p>
<p>Nyamko Sabuni, född 31 mars 1969 i Burundi, folkpartistisk politiker, pr-konsult, riksdagsledamot 2002-2006, medlem av partistyrelsen sedan våren 2004, integrations- och jämställdhetsminister sedan 2006.</p>
<p>Fadern är politisk flykting från Kongo-Kinshasa, och Nyamko Sabuni föddes i exil i Burundi. Familjen är muslimsk. Hon kom till Sverige 1981, tolv år gammal, och växte upp i Kungsängen. Hon har studerat juridik, migrationspolitik och information och kommunikation.</p>
<p>2002 valdes Nyamko Sabuni in i riksdagen och tog tjänstledigt från kommunikationsbyrån Geelmuyden.Kiese. Hon har varit egen företagare inom friskvård, med två anställda.</p>
<p>Som politiker har Sabuni arbetat mycket med frågor som rör jämlikhet och jämställdhet. 2006 utkom hon med boken Flickorna vi sviker, om hederskulturer och brott mot utlandsfödda kvinnor. Av hennes mest uppmärksammade utspel kan nämnas obligatoriska gynekolog-kontroller på alla flickor för att komma åt problemet med könsstympning samt slöjförbud i skolan [1]. Sabuni har också profilerat sig som en av de mest kritiska inom Folkpartiet till religiösa friskolor.</p>
<p>Sabuni förlorade sin riksdagsplats i valet 2006, men utsågs kort därefter (den 6 oktober 2006) till integrations- och jämställdhetsminister i regeringen Reinfeldt. Även konsumentfrågor ligger inom hennes ansvarsområde.</p>
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		<title>By: Anas</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/859/comment-page-2#comment-42180</link>
		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WTF&#039;s sweden &amp; its immigration minister got to with anythng?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF&#8217;s sweden &amp; its immigration minister got to with anythng?</p>
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		<title>By: soru</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/859/comment-page-2#comment-42179</link>
		<dc:creator>soru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you like Sweden so much, have you considered living there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you like Sweden so much, have you considered living there?</p>
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		<title>By: Electro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Electro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Anas&quot;, the degree to which you find ideas and individuals threatening is the degree to which you engage in juvenile comments.

Perhaps you&#039;d like to display your attitude in the company of Sweden&#039;s new Minister of Immigration.

Think of it, with your intelligence you could make monkey noises and tell banana jokes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anas&#8221;, the degree to which you find ideas and individuals threatening is the degree to which you engage in juvenile comments.</p>
<p>Perhaps you&#8217;d like to display your attitude in the company of Sweden&#8217;s new Minister of Immigration.</p>
<p>Think of it, with your intelligence you could make monkey noises and tell banana jokes.</p>
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		<title>By: Anas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI &quot;&quot;Electro&quot;&quot;, there&#039;s nothing inherently problematic about someone loving his/her society or traditions. 

It&#039;s only when that attitude is conjoined with a refusal to accept the validity of other traditions  and an unwillingness to countenance change that it becomes an impediment to societal cohesion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI &#8220;&#8221;Electro&#8221;", there&#8217;s nothing inherently problematic about someone loving his/her society or traditions. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s only when that attitude is conjoined with a refusal to accept the validity of other traditions  and an unwillingness to countenance change that it becomes an impediment to societal cohesion.</p>
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		<title>By: Anas</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/859/comment-page-2#comment-42174</link>
		<dc:creator>Anas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come back Amir, all is forgiven. Your stand-in is even more deluded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come back Amir, all is forgiven. Your stand-in is even more deluded.</p>
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		<title>By: Electro</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/859/comment-page-2#comment-42172</link>
		<dc:creator>Electro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;yeah electro and amir - it’s another form of patriotism - people end up feeling they gotta defend their ‘group’ even if they don’t particularly believe in the principles behind the original setting up the group.&lt;/i&gt;

So you feel that love of country is a bad thing, Sonia?

As for the principles that underly society, the principles that give it coherence and shape? I firmly believe in &#039;em.


You see, Sonia, when those principles are abandonned, then the society they once supported and to which they gave structure and meaning will be abandonned as well.

&quot;Amir&quot; loves his society and his traditions ( a good thing) and yet you reproach him for having these sentiments.

It&#039;s also curious that no one here has addressed (dared to address?) the very important issues he raises.

&quot;Anas&quot;, is befuddled and confused; his/her only response to &quot;Amir&#039;s&quot; well constructed arguments is to mumble something about Christian terrorists.......in India no less.

Think of how absurd that is, Sonia, seeings the recent train bombings in Mumbai that killed hundreds and injured countless others....including many Muslims.

Do you or does anyone else here seriously think that Mumbai commuters, no matter their religion, are worried about Christian terrorists?

Should India set up a parliamentary task force to deal with the &quot;danger&quot; of Christian terrorist attacks, or should they establish one to deal with the bombings by you-know-who?

Better yet, perhaps back in the 70s and 80s when Britian was in the midst of multiple IRA attacks the parliamentarians should have set up a task force..................on Hindu fundamentalists.

And people are still waiting for Sunny to do something about that nasty little cross-posting to &quot;islamophobia&quot; watch.

Rest assured that had a BNP site linked to him, he&#039;d have taken the bull by the horns long ago and demanded the link be removed.

It is inconceivable that a self-described progressive and &quot;principled&quot; journalist would allow his material to be displayed at a site devoted to distortions and deceit, a &quot;news&quot; outlet run by some &#039;oily&#039;, Jew-hating skid-mark that has consistently denigrated and debased *upity* brown Muslim women, women who have had the gumption and the guts to express themselves both eloquently and elegantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>yeah electro and amir &#8211; it’s another form of patriotism &#8211; people end up feeling they gotta defend their ‘group’ even if they don’t particularly believe in the principles behind the original setting up the group.</i></p>
<p>So you feel that love of country is a bad thing, Sonia?</p>
<p>As for the principles that underly society, the principles that give it coherence and shape? I firmly believe in &#8216;em.</p>
<p>You see, Sonia, when those principles are abandonned, then the society they once supported and to which they gave structure and meaning will be abandonned as well.</p>
<p>&#8220;Amir&#8221; loves his society and his traditions ( a good thing) and yet you reproach him for having these sentiments.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also curious that no one here has addressed (dared to address?) the very important issues he raises.</p>
<p>&#8220;Anas&#8221;, is befuddled and confused; his/her only response to &#8220;Amir&#8217;s&#8221; well constructed arguments is to mumble something about Christian terrorists&#8230;&#8230;.in India no less.</p>
<p>Think of how absurd that is, Sonia, seeings the recent train bombings in Mumbai that killed hundreds and injured countless others&#8230;.including many Muslims.</p>
<p>Do you or does anyone else here seriously think that Mumbai commuters, no matter their religion, are worried about Christian terrorists?</p>
<p>Should India set up a parliamentary task force to deal with the &#8220;danger&#8221; of Christian terrorist attacks, or should they establish one to deal with the bombings by you-know-who?</p>
<p>Better yet, perhaps back in the 70s and 80s when Britian was in the midst of multiple IRA attacks the parliamentarians should have set up a task force&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;on Hindu fundamentalists.</p>
<p>And people are still waiting for Sunny to do something about that nasty little cross-posting to &#8220;islamophobia&#8221; watch.</p>
<p>Rest assured that had a BNP site linked to him, he&#8217;d have taken the bull by the horns long ago and demanded the link be removed.</p>
<p>It is inconceivable that a self-described progressive and &#8220;principled&#8221; journalist would allow his material to be displayed at a site devoted to distortions and deceit, a &#8220;news&#8221; outlet run by some &#8216;oily&#8217;, Jew-hating skid-mark that has consistently denigrated and debased *upity* brown Muslim women, women who have had the gumption and the guts to express themselves both eloquently and elegantly.</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/859/comment-page-2#comment-42159</link>
		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah electro and amir - it&#039;s another form of patriotism - people end up feeling they gotta defend their &#039;group&#039;  even if they don&#039;t particularly believe in the principles behind the original setting up the group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah electro and amir &#8211; it&#8217;s another form of patriotism &#8211; people end up feeling they gotta defend their &#8216;group&#8217;  even if they don&#8217;t particularly believe in the principles behind the original setting up the group.</p>
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