One day we’ll all be brown…


by Leon
17th October, 2006 at 3:27 pm    

Scary and fascinating in equal measure is this news study (speculation really given that anything could happen in the next 100 years let alone 1000) funded by the Bravo TV station. The ‘findings’ are certainly food for thought:

Humanity may split into two sub-species in 100,000 years’ time as predicted by HG Wells, an expert has said.

Evolutionary theorist Oliver Curry of the London School of Economics expects a genetic upper class and a dim-witted underclass to emerge.

The human race would peak in the year 3000, he said – before a decline due to dependence on technology.

People would become choosier about their sexual partners, causing humanity to divide into sub-species, he added.

The descendants of the genetic upper class would be tall, slim, healthy, attractive, intelligent, and creative and a far cry from the “underclass” humans who would have evolved into dim-witted, ugly, squat goblin-like creatures. [Via BBC News Online]

So, only 1000 years to go before some of us reach our perfect genetical state, then there’s a slow decline over 97,000 years…great. The interesting thing in this speculation (aside from the crappy state we get into due to over reliance on technology) is that it predicts an end to racism. Once interbreeding takes its logical course we’ll be roughly the same shade: Brown.

But in the nearer future, humans will evolve in 1,000 years into giants between 6ft and 7ft tall, he predicts, while life-spans will have extended to 120 years, Dr Curry claims.

Physical appearance, driven by indicators of health, youth and fertility, will improve, he says, while men will exhibit symmetrical facial features, look athletic, and have squarer jaws, deeper voices and bigger penises.

Women, on the other hand, will develop lighter, smooth, hairless skin, large clear eyes, pert breasts, glossy hair, and even features, he adds. Racial differences will be ironed out by interbreeding, producing a uniform race of coffee-coloured people.

However, Dr Curry warns, in 10,000 years time humans may have paid a genetic price for relying on technology.

Spoiled by gadgets designed to meet their every need, they could come to resemble domesticated animals.

So much for diversity.


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  1. nyrone — on 17th October, 2006 at 3:57 pm  

    read the story on the way to work this morning.
    Couldn’t help but thinking about the creatures from the Time Machine…The Morlocks and Eloi…

  2. Chairwoman — on 17th October, 2006 at 4:07 pm  

    ‘What we need is a great big melting pot, Big enough for the world and all its lot, You can stir them for a hundred years or more, And you’ll get coffee coloured people by the score’

  3. Kismet Hardy — on 17th October, 2006 at 4:07 pm  

    men will have bigger penises

    women will have pert breasts

    Oh to have a time machine

  4. Naomi — on 17th October, 2006 at 4:16 pm  

    you think non-white people can’t be racist?! take a place like Brazil, where the population is extremely mixed in skin tone – discrimination is alive and well, of the sort that says the lighter the tone, the higher the status. The browner we get the better, but don’t have any illusions. Prejudice is a human condition, whatever shade you are…

  5. justforfun — on 17th October, 2006 at 4:26 pm  

    This is just a load of Bolloxs , except we probably will be all brown because it is a dominant gene and for no other reason.

    Technology and short term social choice of partners has stopped the evolutionary process. Until we get a technological melt down and we go back to the stone age, evolution will just not kick in again. If a melt down occurs, then it is the traits that are the best fit for the environment prevailing in the future that will be carried forward. “Survival of the fittesest” does not mean survival of those who are fit, but rather “fittest” as in those who fit best the environment prevailling.

    Justforfun

  6. bananabrain — on 17th October, 2006 at 4:32 pm  

    what nyrone said – plus, also, the fact that brazilians tend to be rather gorgeous. at the risk of derailing yet another thread by mentioning israel, the israelis are also rather gorgeous, with the unfortunate exception of the ultra-orthodox because they tend not to marry outside their group. i confidently predict that once the ethiopians (who are already a ridiculously good-looking lot) and russians have started mixing with the existing melting pot the israelis are going to end up looking more like the brazilians – and hurrah for that.

    b’shalom

    bananabrain

  7. Ravi Naik — on 17th October, 2006 at 4:33 pm  

    “This is just a load of Bolloxs , except we probably will be all brown because it is a dominant gene and for no other reason.”

    How about the fact that if the ozone layer is further reduced, then people with darker complexion may become naturally more predominant because they would be more fit to survive against skin cancers. Uhm?

  8. Leon — on 17th October, 2006 at 4:36 pm  

    Please note; any trolling or serious derails will be deleted. I aint ‘avin it on ma thread, ya dig?

  9. ZinZin — on 17th October, 2006 at 4:36 pm  

    Leon we have all read Brave New World.

    humans will evolve in 1,000 years into giants between 6ft and 7ft tall, he predicts,

    Great the future is Peter Crouch.

    People would become choosier about their sexual partners,

    Leon they already are choosier.

  10. justforfun — on 17th October, 2006 at 4:37 pm  

    Ravi – yes that is true as well if there is a technological meltdown and suncream is no longer manufactured, and white people don’t breed before they die, or just don’t go outdoors and order brown people to do the farming !! I have always wondered where the food in Tescos comes from? It might already be happening!!

    Justforfun

  11. justforfun — on 17th October, 2006 at 4:38 pm  

    Leon – better post the agenda then so we can prepare.

    Justforfun

  12. justforfun — on 17th October, 2006 at 4:47 pm  

    People would become choosier about their sexual partners

    Not having experianced an arranged marriage, does the genetic health of the prospective partner come into the negotiations at all – or is it all business? Just asking. Because if it is just business and including the Chinese who can go in for arranged marriages as well, then we have approx 1/4 of the worlds population already opting out of genetics.

    If jagdeep is still interested in my daughter for his son – well she is brunette , brown eyed, in the top quartile for height, very athletic and not filled with girly phobias about spiders. To early to say on the intelligence front , but very bossy. Comes with no money. My son is very beautiful, tall and athletic, but is very lazy so will need a girl with lots of money. See genetics of the mind is at work already. I have to ensure my grandchildren have a good start in this ozone depleted world.

    Justforfun

  13. nyrone — on 17th October, 2006 at 4:48 pm  

    Best film about Brazil I have ever seen is the documentary Bus 174. I urge you all to seek it out, it’s one of the most astounding films I have ever seen about how a society sweeps the rubbish under the rug and pretends it’s not there until it spills over and affects their lives.

    The commentary with the sociologists are especially moving, as they talk about the plight of Brazil’s ‘invisible street children’ and the Favela’s they all dwell in.

    The last scene in the movie, which was broadcast globally all over the news is particularly piercing.

  14. Anas — on 17th October, 2006 at 4:50 pm  

    Pakistanis need a melting pot. There’s FAR too much marrying off of first cousins going on.

  15. justforfun — on 17th October, 2006 at 4:51 pm  

    Nyrone – yes I saw that movie, very disturbing and moving. It was on TV a while back.

    Justforfun

  16. Leon — on 17th October, 2006 at 4:57 pm  

    Leon – better post the agenda then so we can prepare.

    You haven’t seen the trolling that’s gone on in recent days? I wasn’t directing it at anyone but recognise that because this post includes the word racism it could attract, like flies to shit, nastier posters.

  17. Don — on 17th October, 2006 at 5:04 pm  

    Kismet isn’t fooling anybody; it’s not the prospect of pert breasts that makes him long for a time machine, it’s the dim-witted, ugly, squat goblin-like creatures. Finally, a chance to pull.

  18. Jai — on 17th October, 2006 at 5:13 pm  

    7-feet-tall and with olive skin ?

    So it looks like everyone in the future is going to be a Jatt or a Pathan !

    (joking)

  19. razib — on 17th October, 2006 at 5:18 pm  

    we will not all be brown! this is false. brown skin is not dominant, genetics is not blending!

    let me repeat: this guy got his idea that we’ll all be brown out of two things (i suspect):

    1) science fiction
    2) or a pre-mendelian conception of genetics

    it is not true!!!

    i apologize for all the bold, but i’ve spent a lot of time trying to explain to people issues relating to genetics and this misconception comes up over & over again.

    a) we know about 4-5 genes control most of the variation in skin color (most = 90% or so of the variation between populations, though not within populations)

    b) we know that east asians and europeans are “light” for different reasons on these genes

    c) dark people are probably dark because most of the 4-5 are on. the more you have that are “on,” the darker you are. so, someone who is “brown” probably has half of the genes on, and someone who is black has most of them on, and someone who is white has most of them off.

    d) you yourselves are mostly south asian, look around you, are south asians homogenized into exactly the same shade of brown? are families exactly the same blended shade of brown? are siblings the same shade of brown equidistant between their parents?

    c) brown is the expectation, but the variance will remain. some of you mention brazil, there are dozens of racial definitions precisely because of the perpetuation of variation in a admixed scenario

    d) race mixture will increase variation, not reduce it. some individuals will have east asian features, brown skin, blue eyes. some individuals will have european features and black skin and blonde hair

    more links: here, here, here, here, , here,here, here and here.

  20. razib — on 17th October, 2006 at 5:19 pm  

    So it looks like everyone in the future is going to be a Jatt or a Pathan !

    you mean the women will have mustaches?

  21. Don — on 17th October, 2006 at 5:22 pm  

    Razib,

    So there will still be green eyes? I just turn to mush for green eyes.

  22. Leon — on 17th October, 2006 at 5:28 pm  

    Razib, thanks for clearing that up, must say I’m a little relieved!

  23. sonia — on 17th October, 2006 at 5:34 pm  

    ha ha nice to see darwin@lse is giving itself a good name and plenty of credibility..’underclass’ i wonder whose choice of highly normative wording that was?

    anyhow that sounds like what the victorians used to think anyways.

  24. Sid A — on 17th October, 2006 at 5:42 pm  

    you mean the women will have mustaches?

    hmmm, now that’s a breeding incentive.

  25. Jai — on 17th October, 2006 at 5:51 pm  

    Razib,

    =>”you mean the women will have mustaches?”

    Shaddup. You’re just upset because there won’t be any blonde Nordic types around for you to canoodle.

  26. Sahil — on 17th October, 2006 at 5:54 pm  

    I think I mentioned this before, but there was a story circulating that blondes would be extinct by 200 years, here’s a link to it:

    http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/blondes.asp

  27. Sahil — on 17th October, 2006 at 5:56 pm  

    “Great the future is Peter Crouch.”

    *Runs screaming*

    BTW agree with Naomi, I have a few Brazilian friends, and there’s still so much of, fairer skin tone heirarchy nonsense. BTW ‘Fair and Lovely’ is still the biggest cosmetics product in Asia. Humm …

  28. razib — on 17th October, 2006 at 6:04 pm  

    I think I mentioned this before, but there was a story circulating that blondes would be extinct by 200 years, here’s a link to it:

    that was a hoax. the genetics behind is also fallacious, it is blending genetics just as the one above.

    an analogy. consider you have 5 tosses of a coin, “heads or tails” (you have that analogy on that side of the pond, right?). there is a 50/50 shot of heads or tails on each try. to get 5 heads in a row (5 out of 5) you have a 3% shot, and 5 tails you have a 3% shot. the highest chance is that you’ll get 2.5…but of course, that really means that the mode (highest number) will be 2 or 3 for each. skin color is the same, the genes can be thought of as probabilities at each location, so the chances can be shifted, but the variation remains latent.

  29. Sahil — on 17th October, 2006 at 6:06 pm  

    “that was a hoax. the genetics behind is also fallacious, it is blending genetics just as the one above.”

    Yes I know, that’s why I added the link. Much like this story is also full of crap.

  30. soru — on 17th October, 2006 at 6:07 pm  

    I for one welcome our new genetic overlords

  31. razib — on 17th October, 2006 at 6:09 pm  

    Yes I know, that’s why I added the link. Much like this story is also full of crap.

    i checked the source cuz i assumed it was a hoax. this is traceable to a real person and a real institute.

  32. Jai — on 17th October, 2006 at 6:10 pm  

    =>”I for one welcome our new genetic overlords”

    Holy crap. Me too. Razib, who is that gorgeous woman ?

  33. Sahil — on 17th October, 2006 at 6:15 pm  

    Razib, the guy pretty much says that it’s a urban legend. And goes on to give examples at previous ‘horror’ scenarios, all the way back to victorian era.

  34. razib — on 17th October, 2006 at 6:15 pm  

    Daniella Alonso. puerto rico & japanese peruvian.

  35. Vikrant — on 17th October, 2006 at 6:16 pm  

    So it looks like everyone in the future is going to be a Jatt or a Pathan !

    Yet to meet an intelligent Jatt or a Pathan for that matter….

  36. Vikrant — on 17th October, 2006 at 6:22 pm  

    BTW ‘Fair and Lovely’ is still the biggest cosmetics product in Asia.

    Erhm.. yea Rohin did an article on it a few months back.

  37. Vikrant — on 17th October, 2006 at 6:24 pm  

    Holy crap. Me too. Razib, who is that gorgeous woman ?

    Raz where are you, Unclejis are intruding upon our traditional domains.

  38. Jai — on 17th October, 2006 at 6:25 pm  

    Vikrant,

    =>”Yet to meet an intelligent Jatt or a Pathan for that matter….”

    I have close friends who are Jatts, have First-Class university degrees and were on six-figure salaries before they were 30 ;)

  39. raz — on 17th October, 2006 at 6:27 pm  

    I see me and Razib have more in common that just our nicknames ;)

    BTW I have to say the Indian crowd in Jaipur today was ABSOLUTELY FUCKING AWESOME in their support of Pakistan’s superb victory against all odds versus Sri Lanka. Jaipuris, you are a credit to your nation :)

  40. Vikrant — on 17th October, 2006 at 6:28 pm  

    Jaipuris, you are a credit to your nation :)

    :) Jaipur’s my paternal manor ya know…

  41. Vikrant — on 17th October, 2006 at 6:33 pm  

    I have close friends who are Jatts, have First-Class university degrees and were on six-figure salaries before they were 30 ;)

    Just joking… haha i’ve overdosed on Jatt-jokes. BTW do Indians ever joke about Rajputs?

  42. Jai — on 17th October, 2006 at 6:42 pm  

    =>”BTW do Indians ever joke about Rajputs?”

    Not as far as I know, Vikrant.

  43. Vikrant — on 17th October, 2006 at 6:48 pm  

    darn… i’ll have to spend diwali with my Rajput relations without having luxury of cracking stereotypical jokes about them. My uncles speak to me only in monosyllables coz i use my mum’s maiden name rather than the paternal family name was tradition decrees.. ha if it was for hot hot Rajput girls i wouldnt even have bothered going there. Most of the Marathi girls sadly are unarousing from hormonal standpoint.

  44. Vikrant — on 17th October, 2006 at 6:50 pm  

    i use my mum’s maiden name rather than the paternal family name was tradition decrees.. ha if it wasn’t for hot hot Rajput girls

  45. Vikrant — on 17th October, 2006 at 6:51 pm  

    You guys really have to sympathise with my E

  46. Jai — on 17th October, 2006 at 6:53 pm  

    Razib, thanks for the clarification in post #34.

  47. Vikrant — on 17th October, 2006 at 6:57 pm  

    i’m too sleepy to type correctly, Leon, you might as well delete #45.

  48. razib — on 17th October, 2006 at 7:02 pm  

    jai, i’m all about helping people with their ‘research.’

  49. sonia — on 18th October, 2006 at 10:11 am  

    what on earth is a ‘Jatt’ ? some kind of martian? anyhow any idiot who goes to univ and wants to get lots of money has only to look suitably conformist and get a job in an investment bank and voila there you are.

  50. Leon — on 18th October, 2006 at 10:46 am  

    Aint Jatt one of the upper castes?

  51. justforfun — on 18th October, 2006 at 10:46 am  

    Sonia – showing your envy?

    You’re correct though.

    “If you want to be covered in sh*t , become a shovel.
    If you want to become rich, become a banker.”

    Why work hard to create wealth, when its easier to just get it to stick to you as it flows past?

    Now with the taps really turned on as Russian wealth flows out, boy are they wallowing in it.

    Damn- forgot to play the lottery last Saturday.

    Justforfun

  52. Katy Newton — on 18th October, 2006 at 10:48 am  

    That Vikrant, he is girl-crazy. But he also takes precautions.

    (Does this count as trolling?)

  53. justforfun — on 18th October, 2006 at 10:55 am  

    Jatt? – difficult to define as are they a distinct ethnic group?, a warrior/farmer caste? whatever ?

    People will give you all sorts of definitions ( and Vikrant will give you his Jatt genetic percentage +/- 0.2% error :-) ) but in a general sense it is term used for a martial grouping in the North West of India. They tend to be Hindu but religion is not a defining aspect or so I believe, and no doubt more knowledgable people will correct me.

    Justforfun

  54. Jagdeep — on 18th October, 2006 at 12:33 pm  

    Jatt are very funny people. I mean funny in that their self regard is hilariously pompous. They are incredibly up their own arse. I’m not exaggerating – I have Jatt relatives (I am the product of a mixed marriage) and they really are a bunch of tribal clowns. Alright, of course not all Jatts are like that, I believe Sunny is a Jatt (Hundal is a Jatt name) — but if you think Brahmins have a caste/tribal superiority/inferiority complex, you havent spent any time with Jatts. Most of the obnoxious attitudes are easily satirised – their obsession with their ‘central asian’ ancestry, their belief in being super warriors, their ‘Sicilian’ codes of honour. In Punjab they are gteting their arse kicked by everyone – other castes and migrants to Punjab are outperfroming them in business and agriculture and professions as they grow fat and become drug addicts and failures. Also, all the backwardness and gangsterism and idiocy you see amongst Sikhs in the diaspora — 90% of it is traceable back to Jatts and their backward blockhead feudal ways.

    Luckily, it is not difficult for Jatts to change their ways and act normal and repudiate the brtish and hilarious aspect of their chest thumping heritage (amongst the classic lines – Why do you hate Jatts? You’re just jealous of us because we own land and are warriors!! Yeah right…..)

    Also, Jatts are responsible for most of beadbi of Sikhi that happens today in as much as most of them see the khanda Sikh symbol as an extension of their muscles and Jatt pride (some of these ignorant and stupid morons actually use the word ‘Jatt’ and ‘Sikh’ interchangeably as if they are one and the same thing) and think that the khanda is a ‘Jatt’ symbol. They are usually clean shaven, non turban wearing, arrogant alcoholic cigarette smoking hooligans. If you don’t know what I mean travel to Southall on Vaisakhi or go to a bhangra gig in West London some time, or watch a Jazzy B video in which he wears a gold and diamond encrusted khanda on a chain as if he is some kind of Cuban Tony Montana with a crucifix. None of these football hooligan Jatts will ever think of keeping kesh which is the only symbol of Sikhi that you need if you are serious about your religion. Also, most Jatts of this kind, who claim to be Sikhs, directly look down on others, which is in direct contradiction to the most basic tenet so they act just like, as my uncle says ‘Sikh Brahmins’ — which is what many of them are. Except they are stupid and not wily.

    So Jatts, you are very foolish people sometimes but thankfully like my mother and others like Hundal, you too can escape the pompous self regard and hilarious chest thumping comedy of your warrior-farmer background and use intellect and humility to join the modern world. Accept what Guru Gobind Singh gave to the world and how he hated caste pride and you will find one route to doing this.

  55. Jagdeep — on 18th October, 2006 at 12:34 pm  

    brtish is a typo – I meant to write BRUTISH

  56. justforfun — on 18th October, 2006 at 12:39 pm  

    Jagdeep – I think you’ve written yourself out of your grandad’s will.

    Justforfun

  57. Jagdeep — on 18th October, 2006 at 12:45 pm  

    justforfun

    I wouldnt have gotten anything anyway — all the Jatt land goes to sons, not daughters. Plus he died so long ago it doesnt matter. Hey, I speak as a half Jatt, so I can say what I like. Lets see how long it takes for a Jatt to take objection, nostrils flaming, central asian farmer-warrior enraged!

    OK — so maybe I exaggerate a little and make too many generalisations, but you know what I say has truth.

  58. justforfun — on 18th October, 2006 at 12:47 pm  

    I wouldnt have gotten anything anyway — all the Jatt land goes to sons

    I’d forgotten that.

    The truth – never met it :-)

    Justforfun

  59. sonia — on 18th October, 2006 at 1:36 pm  

    martial grouping..what’s that? an army?

  60. Jai — on 18th October, 2006 at 1:44 pm  

    Jagdeep, you sound very familiar. Are you my old friend “Punjabi Boy” who used to post on Sepia Mutiny ?

  61. justforfun — on 18th October, 2006 at 1:57 pm  

    Martial grouping?
    - ninja – samurai – that sort of martial brotherhood – a Jatt does like you to know he is a Jatt. I tried to leave it vague because who knows the truth of the origin.

    “Central Asian” is one possibility as Jagdeep has mentioned, although on this cold October day I think he is trying to raise the temperature amongst the Aryan readership of PP as we reach for our mirrors and ‘Fair and Lovely’ cream. :-)

    Justforfun

  62. Jagdeep — on 18th October, 2006 at 1:59 pm  

    Jai, I don’t post on Sepia Mutiny.

  63. Jagdeep — on 18th October, 2006 at 2:02 pm  

    It’s their ‘Scythian’ roots Justforfun! I have been told and have read that they are descending from nomadic central asian tribes and all that kind of thing.

  64. justforfun — on 18th October, 2006 at 2:08 pm  

    “Scythian” or Saka were Aryans or nomadic Iranian tribes that ranged from the Trans Cauceses, over the top of the Caspian Sea and into the Pamir mountains of the ‘Stans’. One big grass field on which they roamed.

    Justforfun

  65. Jai — on 18th October, 2006 at 2:09 pm  

    Jaggu Dada,

    Okay mate. There was a really nice guy by that username who used to be a regular on SM — you’re a lot like him and he even once went off on a (humorous) rant about Jatts which was almost identical to your posts on this thread, so I was wondering if you were him.

    Don’t worry, it’s actually a compliment to you. PB was a brilliant guy ;)

  66. Jagdeep — on 18th October, 2006 at 2:12 pm  

    Maybe that says something about the need for these things to be said about Jaat-Baat Jai!

  67. Jagdeep — on 18th October, 2006 at 2:13 pm  

    Scythian roots my arse LoL

  68. Mandip — on 18th October, 2006 at 2:15 pm  

    Boy thats a big chip I see there on your shoulder Jagdeep :)

  69. Jagdeep — on 18th October, 2006 at 2:22 pm  

    I know Mandip, I’m just so jealous of the PURE Jatts because they are such a great warrior caste and they own so much land! And when I see them sporting massive khanda’s in their cars and on their chest whilst drinking and smoking and acting like gangstas, they’re not doing beadbi of Sikhi at all.

    I have Jatt blood so take it as some in-house venting bro :-)

  70. Jai — on 18th October, 2006 at 2:29 pm  

    We need to get Jaggy D some ketchup for him to dip that big bad chip into.

    Or salsa and sour cream.

    Hmm, nachos…..

  71. Jagdeep — on 18th October, 2006 at 2:35 pm  

    I like HP Brown Sauce Jai!

  72. sonia — on 18th October, 2006 at 2:38 pm  

    justfor fun – you are amusing :-)

    *reaches for the suntan lotion*

  73. Jai — on 18th October, 2006 at 2:45 pm  

    Jagga,

    You pervert. Well, at least you don’t dip your chips in mayonnaise, which is something the staff at the Pizza Hutt Express on the top floor of Lakeside kindly offer to give you when you order some chips.

  74. Mandip — on 18th October, 2006 at 2:48 pm  

    No worries, I agree a lot of them (or should I say us) need their heads sorted out.

  75. Jagdeep — on 18th October, 2006 at 3:01 pm  

    Nobody’s perfect Mandip!

  76. Leon — on 18th October, 2006 at 3:44 pm  

    What in the world are you lot on about?!:P

  77. nyrone — on 18th October, 2006 at 4:05 pm  

    Leon, they are discussing a theory about a group of cocaine-snorting rebel monkeys from East Timor that made friends with a gang of friendly greek comic-collecting dinosaurs and embarked on a sacred and well-funded mission to find the fabled lost city of Atlantis.

    That’s my analysis.

  78. Leon — on 18th October, 2006 at 4:15 pm  

    I see…well that’s evolution for you. Humankind can split the atom, fly to the moon but still prefers to spend most of it’s time getting wasted…a virus with shoes. Wise words from Mr Hicks.

  79. Vikrant — on 18th October, 2006 at 4:18 pm  

    @JFF : I’m pretty much a pan-Indian caste whore, primarliy Maratha, Rajput, Konkan Brahmin with a dash of Sindhi and probably a smattering of Bene-Israeli, but thankfully a Jatt i am not. My only Jatt connection may be that a significant number of Jatts have Maratha ancestry.

    Neeways since i’m a Rajput, the true warrior caste you lowly Jatts can whine amongst yourselves. Rajputs are THE most pompous of all ethnic groups in India. Rajputs get mighty pissed off whena Jatt tries to pass off himself as a Rajput. Muslim Rajputs though they form a majority, are not recognised as Rajputs by their Hindu and Sikh counterparts.

    martial grouping..what’s that? an army?

    Thats a euphemism for warrior castes. Never knew Jatts were one. Hell when did they ever fight anyway?

  80. Vikrant — on 18th October, 2006 at 4:22 pm  

    Scythian roots my arse LoL

    Well Scythians did rule a substantial part of India from Punjab to Northern Maharashtra. It was Todd who suggested Scythic ancestry for Jatts , Khatris and Rajputs. Scythians were mostly absorbed into the Hindu fold as warrior castes .Wikipedia tells me Marathas may have Scythic ancestry as well. Neeways who gives a damn?

  81. Vikrant — on 18th October, 2006 at 4:24 pm  

    Jagdeep but arent most Jatts, Hindus? Neeways i have a theory on why Sikhs are caricature by other Indians… Jatts…

  82. suck-my-chitterjuice — on 18th October, 2006 at 4:29 pm  

    Post #5 – just because we dont see evolutionary process doesn’t mean it is not happening. Evolution is a product of our enviroment, the comparison of black peppered moths agaianst their white peppered moths is a well known example that resided within the Industrial revolution of this country. I’m thinking maybe even obesity will become a hereditary trait, and a thousand years seems about right, for all the necessary changes of our genetics from our present standing to superhuman type creatures. Having said that, our reliance on modern drugs as medicine and pollutants are sure to have an effect on this prediction of superhumans, and if the earth is to support this type of creature, the total population would have to be reduced a lot from what it is now or spread out a lot better.

    Also, in regards to the blondes coming a cropper(?), there was a study that said ginger people would die out in the coming century. Shame, huh?

    BTW, this is my first post on PP, I have been reading it for a while, having stumbled accross it from Sunnys’ other website, BarfiCulture. I like.

  83. Vikrant — on 18th October, 2006 at 4:34 pm  

    For records i dont give two hoots for caste… Rajput/Marathas are pretty much same… basking in the past… longing for the times they ‘whipped Muslims arses’ (nevermind the fact that Rajputs & Marathas actively collaborated with Mughals when it suited them).

  84. Bert Preast — on 18th October, 2006 at 11:14 pm  

    Of course an Englishman shouldn’t boast, but I’m almost hairless and my whanger is almost massive. Does this mean everyone else is almost 100,000 years behind me?

  85. terryfitz — on 19th October, 2006 at 10:57 am  

    I think everyone should be concerned with the political implications of what is happening. There has always been within far right white political groups the notion of contamination by non white blood and the message boards are full of the subject.

    It is also true that in African and Asian societies the lighter a persons complexion was the more desirable they were especially women in the marriage market. As has been pointed out skin lightening creams are big business in Asia but even more so in Africa.

    There is a strange but dangerous tendency emerging in the race industry in this country and that is to define as black anyone who has a drop of black blood in the. Operation Black Vote have even classified as Black anyone who is non white. Several million Asians,Chinese and Arabs are now classified as Black because they have suffered because of their race.

    Naturally OBV has used this to chisel a large amount of money from guilt tripped whites.

    I was pleased to see someone knew the words to “melting pot” from 1969

  86. Chairwoman — on 19th October, 2006 at 12:23 pm  

    Terry – Blue Mink :-)

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