I just think you are going overboard with this you consider the new working class as degenerates. I can not agree with this i know a young women at my workplace who has lived in the poorest areas of my town and she asks that houses got to decent people. She has lived in areas blighted by anti-social behaviour and crime yet she differentiates between the decent people and the “chavs” i am only asking for everyone else to do the same.

In truth your suffering from nostalgia.

I realise that you see me as some kind of inbred, snobbish cretin, but I really miss the salt of the earth. People who were proud to work with their hands and produce something. But I don’t see any young Brits of any origin with that sort of ethos today.

As for ‘Whatever Happened to the Likely Lads’, not only that, but its earlier incarnation ‘The Likely Lads’, are seminal viewing. Yes the really are social history. History being the operative word. You really have totally missed my point haven’t you? The whole point being that the clever, ambitious, hardworking working class of the 60s and 70s are now middle class, and whatever has replaced them is simply not the same.

The Working classes have a tendency to resent la-de-da types such as yourself. Chairwoman let me reassure you that the working classes are shameless social climbers more so than your middle class types.

Chairwoman you are guilty of exhibiting a middle class trait of doing down the workers. The reason for this is to differentiate yourselves from them. Unfortunately claims of moral and intellectual superiority are built on sand.

Jagdeep are you familiar with that seminal comedy of the late 1960s and early 1970s Whatever happened to the likely lads? As that is a perfect example of social history documenting the expansion of the middle classes by upwardly mobile working class men and women. It sums up my fathers rise up the social ladder.

I’m sorry if I sound like the Daily Mail, but just because the Daily Mail says something, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

It makes no difference where the person comes from, or even how much education they have if they do their best for themselves and their children. It’s the ones who don’t that should bother all of us.

Appalling you clearly don’t buy into the salt of the earth argument but you readily accept the scum of the earth argument. Chairwoman you have a highly developed class consciousness.

For the record there are kids from local council estates who out-performed myself academically and are probably doing the same economically.

I would like to participate in the meritocracy debate i have begun on the Treating people equally thread.

I have always lived in middle class multi-ethnic areas, and lived next door to many middle class people from both the sub-continent and Africa. We have had much in common, and enjoyed many good times together. I’m afraid it really is a class and education thing. It may be a generalisation, but that doesn’t stop it being true.

BTW I am pretty much against further large scale immigration, but for me it is a matter of numbers. I don’t care where the people are coming from, nor the colour of their skin or religion. I just don’t see what we’re going to do with them. This is a small island with limited resources. It’s difficult in London to get on a good doctor’s list, and virtually impossible to find a dentist. As for employment, there’s a limit a non-manufacturing country can do to find jobs for people. How many plumbers, builders and IT experts do we actually need? We can’t build houses fast enough for the new immigrants already here, and I think building on agricultural land is a serious mistake. I don’t want to live in an urban sprawl that stretches from here to Birmingham, and I don’t suppose many other people do either.

“Unfortunately the only properly multi-cultural groups in Britain are the Middle classes.”
This is the group that lives in primarily white areas and only mix with ethnic minorities in restaurants. Other than that very amusing OBC.

The basic problem we’re looking at is not a matter of ethnicity or religion, but class and education. The average working class Brit in the street who used to sneer at education and middle class values has just found a new enemy, immigrants. Until we can educate everyone to some semblance of literacy, and I don’t just mean basic reading, writing and maths, then this problem is going to continue.

Assuming that you are English, using the word “natives” is hardly conducive to other people here responding positively to the points made in your own post, and it’s certainly not going to improve the chances of facilitating any kind of constructive discussion.

Understand that, and you’ll understand why people were so dismissive of Jane Lomas.

Rather than dismiss Jane Lomas as a ‘knuckle dragging’ racist, why don’t you, clearly well educated individuals, ask yourselves why she might hold such views?

Take a look at the inner cities of any UK city, where white and black/asian communities have to co-exist (I know that may be difficult for you middle class types) and see for yourselves the problems caused by enforced multiculturalism.

Whilst I completely agree that most ‘indians’ have worked themselves to the bone to achieve middle class status and assimilate to a greater degree than any other immigrant group, with the exception perhaps of the Irish, the same cannot be said of other groups in this country.

You can argue semantics all day in respect of social inequalities and unjust local and central policies that appear to favour one group over another, but the bottom line is, that the average white, working class member of society, is being pushed to the margins and intimidated by the presence of huge swathes of people who clearly hold no allegiance to this country and are here with the sole intention of milking this nation for every penny they can get, whilst at the same time adding an even greater burden to our already creaking infrastructure.

Add to this multicultural melting pot the delights of the ever growing menace that is militant islam and then you can clearly see why the BNP is becoming more and more popular.

Until these problems are addressed, the BNP will continue to grow and continue to appeal to the masses, despite the whining of the liberal left and to the dismay of ethnic people that have made the effort to become British.

Good day whingers.