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  • Afghanistan, Israel and Nuclear weapons


    by Sunny
    12th April, 2010 at 8:51 am    

    This is just a round-up of some news stories, not a blog post as such.

    Glenn Greenwald: How Americans are propagandized about Afghanistan
    “Although numerous witnesses on the scene as well as local investigators vehemently disputed the Pentagon’s version, and insisted that all of the dead (including the women) were civilians and were killed by U.S. forces, the American media largely adopted the Pentagon’s version, often without any questions.”

    Guardian: Israeli groups fight orders allowing army to jail West Bank residents
    “Israel’s leading human rights groups are trying to stop two new Israeli military orders which will make any resident of the occupied West Bank who does not have an Israeli-issued permit liable for deportation or jail. The new Order Regarding Prevention of Infiltration and Order Regarding Security Provisions, which comes into force on Tuesday have “severe ramifications,” the rights groups say. Palestinians, and any foreigners living in the West Bank, could be labelled infiltrators and deported within 72 hours or jailed for seven years if they are found without the correct permit. It does not define what Israel considers a valid permit.”

    US summit expected to back Barack Obama’s plan to prevent nuclear theft

    and finally…
    Raj Patel: We don’t need a messiah (and anyway, it isn’t me) — this is a hilarious story.


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    1. boyo — on 12th April, 2010 at 10:50 am  

      I see your pals in Amnesty have finally sacked Gita because their campaign for equal rights for women is “over”.

      Well, that’s one thing I can agree with them about.

    2. Refresh — on 12th April, 2010 at 1:28 pm  

      Only Israel, in this day and age, could have come up with the concept of infiltration in your own home and homeland.

      Deportation from your own lands in not new to the country.

      Boyo,

      It would be very interesting to see what view Gita Sahgal holds regarding administrative cleansing in Palestine.

    3. bananabrain — on 12th April, 2010 at 2:07 pm  

      “only” israel? how revealing a statement that is.

      b’shalom

      bananabrain

    4. DF — on 12th April, 2010 at 4:05 pm  

      I would have been interested to see what view some of the main commenters on here hold on Jordan’s King Abdullah II decision to revoke the citizenship of thousands of Palestinians and possibly millions more (administrative cleansing in [former]Palestine) who have lived in Jordan for generations - Palestinians having their citizenship revoked from land that constituted 79% of the former Palestine given away by the British government to placate Sharif Hussein of Mecca and to prevent him from waging war against his brother over the right to rule over Saudi Arabia.

    5. Refresh — on 12th April, 2010 at 4:07 pm  

      What’s your view DF?

      He shouldn’t have done it? Or are you suggesting if he can do it so can Israel? Don’t be coy.

    6. bananabrain — on 12th April, 2010 at 4:10 pm  

      test 16:10

    7. DF — on 12th April, 2010 at 4:12 pm  

      And their view on Amnesty Internationals support for violent jihad.

    8. Sunny — on 12th April, 2010 at 4:16 pm  

      because their campaign for equal rights for women is “over”.

      If that is what Gita Sahgal thinks - then I’m glad Amnesty parted ways with her. I’ve not seen any evidence of this frankly, and no one has provided any. And if you’re going to lob accusations like that without foundation then don’t be surprised if they don’t want to employ you.

    9. DF — on 12th April, 2010 at 4:17 pm  

      “@5. Refresh — on 12th April, 2010 at 4:07 pm
      What’s your view DF?

      He shouldn’t have done it? Or are you suggesting if he can do it so can Israel? Don’t be coy.

      Deflection.

    10. Sunny — on 12th April, 2010 at 4:19 pm  

      on Amnesty Internationals support for violent jihad.

      Well, that rules you out of the ‘sane commenters’ category then.

    11. Refresh — on 12th April, 2010 at 4:22 pm  

      ‘Deflection’

      Good point DF. Here is another one. What should we do to make the Middle East Nuclear Free?

    12. Lucy — on 12th April, 2010 at 4:40 pm  

      The Glenn Greenwald report on how Americans are propagandized about Afghanistan goes hand in hand with his take four days later on the WikiLeaks Apache helicopter attack - a news item which made it onto much of the media in the US.

      Greenwald though was one of the commentators who brought out the most salient point: it’s not some ‘few bad apples’out there. It’s a day on the job, with after-the-fact approval from the military and the Pentagon. Done by the book.
      http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/radio/2010/04/09/stieber/index.htm

      Whatever in Afghanistan is coming to the fore, whatever evident need there is for negotiations and reconfigurations, there is no reason to believe that US/UK/NATO are in a position to be helpful towards that end. Any more now than eight years ago.

      Soldiers killing civilians does not diminish the Taliban.

      Patrick Cockburn wrote in February 2009*: “The reinforced US military presence in Afghanistan risks provoking a backlash in which religion combines with nationalism to oppose foreign intervention. It is this that has been the real strength of movements like Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas in Gaza, the Mehdi Army in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan which the US wants to eradicate.”

      *http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/patrick-cockburn-warning-to-the-us-beware-treating-afghanistan-like-iraq-1632281.html

    13. Refresh — on 12th April, 2010 at 4:49 pm  

      Bananabrain,

      ‘“only” israel? how revealing a statement that is.’

      Unlesss you want to suggest others are doing it too, but only Israel is judged?

    14. boyo — on 12th April, 2010 at 4:59 pm  

      Sunny, I was referring to this

      http://hurryupharry.org/2010/04/12/statement-by-gita-sahgal-on-leaving-amnesty-international/

      Seems they got rid of her in that tried and tested fashion by declaring the campaign had come to a close and her post had been made redundant.

      Funny that, eh?

    15. Lucy — on 12th April, 2010 at 5:18 pm  

      Sure. AI is about to announce it will not stop violence against women. Whereas before it had stopped it. More likely it is a new covert policy.

    16. Naadir Jeewa — on 12th April, 2010 at 6:29 pm  

      @4 - DF:

      “what view some of the main commenters on here hold on Jordan’s King Abdullah II decision to revoke the citizenship of thousands of Palestinians and possibly millions more (administrative cleansing in [former]Palestine) who have lived in Jordan for generations”

      Some authoritarian country does some horrendous act, so this justifies Israel in doing so too.

      Let’s put it another way.

      Palestinians are a continually dispossessed people. Since it keeps happening to them, let it happen some more.

      What a shining beacon of human rights advocacy that AI has so completely abandoned. And I’m sure the respect that you have for Afghan women is as sincere as your human rights advocacy for palestinians, and is not just an instrument for brandishing an aggressive, imperialist stance.

    17. DF — on 12th April, 2010 at 11:30 pm  

      @16. Naadir Jeewa — on 12th April, 2010 at 6:29 pm:

      “Some authoritarian country does some horrendous act, so this justifies Israel in doing so too.

      Let’s put it another way.

      Palestinians are a continually dispossessed people. Since it keeps happening to them, let it happen some more”

      First I get deflection and now conflation and projection [and a nasty insult thrown in from Sunny Cageprisoners “leave a nasty taste in my mouth” Hundal].
      So this is what passes for debate on Pickled Politics.

      What horrendous act has Israel “done” in this instance? Please elaborate.

      The Israeli military said the purpose of the [amendments to existing] orders was “the extradition of those residing illegally in Judea and Samaria,”… The orders had been “corrected” in order to “assure judicial oversight of the extradition process”. These orders not only apply to Palestinians also apply to “foreigners” and Israelis.

      If the Israel/IDF abuse these orders for nefarious means, and I see no evidence to suggest that they will, then they should be condemned

      Comments and headlines such as “The orders … are worded so broadly such as theoretically allowing the military to empty the West Bank of almost all its Palestinian inhabitants” and ‘Israel authorizes mass expulsion of Palestinians’ are nothing more than Daily Mail style scaremongering based on nothing more substantial than ‘if’, ‘could be’, ‘possibly’, ‘might’, ‘theoretically’ - It’s what the commenters on this site usually call a non-story. Well they do when written about Muslims.

      As for:

      “@16. Naadir Jeewa — on 12th April, 2010 at 6:29 pm

      What a shining beacon of human rights advocacy that AI has so completely abandoned. And I’m sure the respect that you have for Afghan women is as sincere as your human rights advocacy for palestinians, and is not just an instrument for brandishing an aggressive, imperialist stance.”

      …I don’t have a clue where this is coming from - I’m assuming in that paragraph the ‘Pickled’ in ‘Pickled Politics’ is a reference to the result of the interaction between alcohol and your brain.

    18. David Blomstrom — on 13th April, 2010 at 2:50 am  

      If you’re digusted with today’s Army, Inc., please join my Facebook group “I do NOT support the troops.”

      Also, see my article Fuck the Troops.

    19. Kisan — on 13th April, 2010 at 5:07 am  

      I can see why Moazzam Begg feels this website is an ideal forum for having his side of the story published.

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