Excellent article ! Hopefully it’ll turn into an interesting discussion

Here it is!

http://www.passtheroti.com/?p=269

Yet more doubts about those news reports of a simmering clash of civilisations in Windsor, not far from where I live. Last Saturday the Sun said a house that four Household Cavalry officers planned to rent in the nearby village…

Since you are a lover of music as much as I am, I would love to continue this conversation with you, but without jacking the thread (thread has been effectively highjacked by now, though ) I’m going to put up a post on my blog re: music, so check back periodically

=>”I mean the song that I linked to. About the bachelor. What is the name of that song? No one knows.”

The one in Punjabi ? I have no idea ! Google around with the lyrics, you may stumble across it. That’s how I normally identify songs I can’t place.

=>”I am not too much of a fan of some of Jagjit’s more recent ghazals. I don’t know about you, but I don’t like ghazals set to western musical instruments.”

I agree. I like the more traditional, “classic” style more — call it “nawabi”, “Mughal era” or whatever. It just sounds more authentic to my ears, and of a higher quality too. (Fortunately the “live concert” versions use exclusively Indian instruments).

Look at it this way: The last Jagjit Singh album I bought was “Soz”, although “Saher” a year or two before that was very good.

However, I hear that he’s going to do another collaboration with Gulzar. Considering the masterpiece that was “Marasim”, I am really looking forward to this.

=>”It’s the racial/skin color focus. Why does it have to be skin color?”

I have exactly the same concerns, as I’ve detailed extensively on previous posts on SM if you’ve read all that.

“If you don’t give a damn about journalism, at least have the decency to not make a mockery of the pain suffered by the friends and families involved”

I too have an aversion towards just how much 9/11 is manipulated and even exploited by the media and politicians for opportunistic reasons.

“If you’re talking about “Ghazal 01″ — the first in the list on the right-hand-side — it’s called “Tum Ko Dekha To Yeh Khayal Aaya”, and is from the album “Saath Saath”, which was actually an early 80s Hindi film of the same name. So you may have to hunt around the “Bollywood” section of your local desi music store along with the usual ghazal section.”

Arre yaar, you think I don’t know my Jagjit Singh?! Of course I know this song! I grew up listening to songs from Saath Saath and Arth.

I mean the song that I linked to. About the bachelor. What is the name of that song? No one knows.

“And yes you’re right about the audience in the link you’ve posted in your message above — I guess it must have been a particularly rowdy crowd that night ! ”

That’s the way it should be!

BTW, I am not too much of a fan of some of Jagjit’s more recent ghazals. I don’t know about you, but I don’t like ghazals set to western musical instruments. It doesn’t sound right to me.

Sonia:

“121. Desi = i hear you. there are loads of people in such situations and an ethnocentric focus isn’t going to much good when links need to be built up.”

It’s not so much the ethnocentric focus that the term “brown” carries. I don’t mind reveling in say, the term South Asian, or “desi”. It’s the racial/skin color focus. Why does it have to be skin color?

Personally, I am for recognizing similar poltiical/social/economic locations of people across borders; a sorts of international solidarity.

=>”I’ve been dying to get a CD with that song, but I don’t know the name of the song!”

If you’re talking about “Ghazal 01″ — the first in the list on the right-hand-side — it’s called “Tum Ko Dekha To Yeh Khayal Aaya”, and is from the album “Saath Saath”, which was actually an early 80s Hindi film of the same name. So you may have to hunt around the “Bollywood” section of your local desi music store along with the usual ghazal section.

I’ve often found the “unplugged”, ie. live concert versions of his songs to be even better than the original album versions. I have a 2-CD set called “Live with Jagjit Singh” which I also strongly recommend to you (towards the end, it also includes a shorter version of that ghazal from Saath Saath as part of a medley).

And yes you’re right about the audience in the link you’ve posted in your message above — I guess it must have been a particularly rowdy crowd that night !

OH NO NOT AGAIN

(featuring a picture of a plane hitting a building)

You’re right. It hasn’t happenned again. An all-american chap lost control and caused an accident that killed four people. If you don’t give a damn about journalism, at least have the decency to not make a mockery of the pain suffered by the friends and families involved

Wankers

“He is my favourite singer — his live concerts in particular are superb.”

Don’t even get me started– he is THE singer for me. I LOVE him. I grew up listening to his ghazals, from films like Arth and others.

Did you see the audience in that link I gave? I couldn’t believe they were so calm! I’ve heard another version of this song where Jagjit BELTS it– a vibrant and lively song full of pomp and emotion. Instead, in this performance, he watered down the song. Perhaps to tailor the audience.

But check out the audience in this video of his Punjabi medley:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=B7IH57BuUjA

THIS is the way an audience should be. That’s what I’m talking about!

But help me out– what the heck is the name of the ghazal of the first link I put out on the other thread? I’ve been dying to get a CD with that song, but I don’t know the name of the song!

Do you know the name?

OMG, I hope Sunny doesn’t close this now-by-dead thread before you give me an answer….

I have various complicated reasons for my reservations about the term “brown”, as you both probably know if you’ve already read my thoughts about the topic on SM. It’s probably more appropriate to the US than Britain, as there are some different cultural dynamics in the two countries to some extent. However, I don’t want to detract from Razib’s ongoing jokes on the subject, so I won’t belabor the point here on PP.

Desi Italiana,

Thank you for the Jagjit Singh link on the now-closed thread. He is my favourite singer — his live concerts in particular are superb. Personally I like his album “Marasim” the most — beautifully romantic, poignant stuff — although “Different Strokes” is also excellent for traditional Indian classical music fans. I’d recommend the latter in particular if you’ve never heard him singing non-ghazal songs. It’s absolutely outstanding.

“Btw, I have no problems with using the word brown.”

I kind of do. When you are trying to build cross border solidarities. For example, Eastern European women being caught in human trafficking is just as important as South Asian women being trafficked. And Eastern European women are not brown, but are in a similarly exploitative situation.

Btw, I have no problems with using the word brown. It doesn’t have negative connotations like using the word “paki” and hence the word can mean whatever you want it to mean. British Asian is similarly vague when trying to figure out what it means and who it refers to. All identities are.

Yes dogs are considered unclean and the angles dont visit the homes of those who keep them in the house. Their saliva and hair are considered unclean and you cant pray in clothes that have been contaminated by them. However they can be used for hunting wabbit, or rabbit. They can be used for hunting.

And alas, I wrote a post on th usage of “brown” in the US:
http://www.passtheroti.com/?p=185

If there is to be such an explosion, why don’t you all chip in together and I’ll cut you a good deal

But I warn you though. If every pickler was smacked out the debates here would become random but frighteningly succint, at times confusing but crystal clear if you stop to think about it, sometimes mellow but often frenzied…

Hey! You lot are on that tip anyway. Who’ve you buying your drugs from?

However, it appears that such terms may be more appropriate in the US given their own culture. I’ve jokingly accused Razib of being obsessed with using the word “brown” at every conceivable opportunity, which is why he keeps saying it at random intervals.

Get ready for an explosion of brownness on Pickled Politics !