MP: Israelis will manipulate British elections


by Rumbold
30th March, 2010 at 9:19 am    

Martin Linton is a MP. He also believes that the Israelis will be using their money and influence to exert major influence over the general election.

“There are long tentacles of Israel in this country who are funding election campaigns and putting money into the British political system for their own ends.

“You must consider over the next few weeks, when you make decisions about how you vote and how you advise constituents to vote, you must make them aware of the attempt by Israelis and by pro-Israelis to influence the election.”

This rhetoric sounds disturbing familiar (especially when no evidence has been provided). There is nothing wrong with criticising Israeli policies (or Greek policies, or Belgian policies, or Singaporean policies etc.). Some of the things Israel is doing at present are disgraceful and should be condemned. But sometimes criticism of Israel spills over into conspiracy theory or outright anti-Semitism (Mr. Linton’s critique belongs to the former). I think the collective punishment of Gaza is a war crime, and the bulldozing of Palestinian homes is disgusting. I don’t think that there is a cabal of Israelis manipulating the British elections, as no-one has offered any proof.

Too often does the stereotype of the secret Jewish puppet masters appear, most notably in the Protocols of Zion. Jews were historically involved in finance because that was one of the few trades not closed to them, and for a time was a trade closed to Christians (and some Muslims), given that money lending involved excessive interest charges. For a secret cabal manipulating the world, they have done pretty badly for themselves.


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  1. Lianne — on 30th March, 2010 at 9:53 am  

    Whilst I agree pretty much wholly, I’m not sure how such claims can be proved (since often it seems that even seeking the evidence is considered unacceptably accusatory).

    If the recent Dispatches programme is to be believed, the respective parties’ Friends of Israel lobbyists are the biggest lobbying players in Westminster in terms of money and influence on Labour and the Tories.

    I haven’t seen the figures myself, and obviously as we’ve seen over recent weeks, lots of individuals and groups are reeking to exchange money for policy influence, but presumably if they showed what Peter Oborne says they do, that’s the evidence for Martin Linton’s theory?

  2. platinum786 — on 30th March, 2010 at 10:06 am  

    Conpsiracy theories I feel go about murkying the waters, ruining any chance the truth has of coming out, by being burdened with the reputation of a conspiracy.

    Do Jews run the world, probably not, do the freemasons run the world, probably not, will scientologists run the world, probably not, Does greed run the world, yes.

    Israel does have massive influence in Britain and can influence the elections, through it’s lobbies and it’s supporters. Other countries do the same thing, just Israel does it better, because it needs that influence to get away with the crimes it does.

  3. earwicga — on 30th March, 2010 at 10:15 am  

    Israel does have massive influence in Britain and can influence the elections, through it’s lobbies and it’s supporters.

    Does it though? You need to provide evidence, as Rumbold says in the OP, to show this opinion isn’t based on a crude and dangerous stereotype.

  4. Don — on 30th March, 2010 at 10:33 am  

    He actually used the word tentacles?

  5. platinum786 — on 30th March, 2010 at 10:47 am  

    I’m not a member of any parlimentary regulatory body. I don’t have statistics on the issue, in fact I doubt we even have anyone looking at it or considering it a possible issue. Afterall who polices government?

    The only evidence I have seen is what was presented in a recent dispatches episode. If anyone is genuinely interesetd, including this MP, then perhaps they should be looking to have a proper investigation into those findings, afterall it’s not only Israel “buying” British parliamenterians.

  6. soru — on 30th March, 2010 at 11:06 am  

    He actually used the word tentacles?

    I think the general pattern of such things is to deliberately use language like that. That way, you get accused of antisemitism, thus ‘demonstrating’ the truth of your point.

    It’s a variation of dog-whistle politics – if you can get different groups of people to hear different things, you are at least half way to persuading one of the groups that you are the only one really on their side.

  7. cjcjc — on 30th March, 2010 at 11:15 am  

    Hey platinum, glad you think so highly of Dispatches!

  8. platinum786 — on 30th March, 2010 at 11:33 am  

    ^^^ I know where your going, but it’s hardly like Dispatches suggested something that was new. MP’s being on the take, foreign lobbies, it’s something wociety has known about for years and years, we just don’t care to do anything about it. Afterall, what real difference does it make? Whichever party gets in power, Israel has friends in the UK who have cheque books which can ensure foreign policy towards Israel is acceptable.

    I’m sure they’re not the only ones with that capability, however they are one of the best at what they do.

  9. earwicga — on 30th March, 2010 at 11:38 am  

    He actually used the word tentacles?

    Fair question. None of the four organisations involved carry a transcript of the March 23rd meeting on their websites – Friends of Al-Aqsa, Labour Friends of Palestine and the Middle East, MEMO, Forward Thinking. The only online places this quote is available are The Jewish Chronicle and Richard Millett’s Blog and now PP. But as Martin Linton hasn’t disputed saying it then it is reasonable to believe that these are his words.

  10. Shatterface — on 30th March, 2010 at 12:17 pm  

    Those who represent other ethnic groups are ‘lobbyists’ or ‘community leaders’; Jews apparently, have cephalapods.

  11. Anon — on 30th March, 2010 at 12:22 pm  

    Perhaps Rumbold should try asking Karen Buck about the role of Zionist finance in trying to sway the result in a marginal parliamentary constituency.

    Or he could actually read The Pro-Israel Lobby, by Peter Oborne and James Jones.

    Unfortunately, Rumbold has no problem holding an opinion on an issue without bothering to carry out even elementary research into it.

    This is the sort of ignorant nonsense that brings blogging into disrepute.

  12. cjcjc — on 30th March, 2010 at 12:36 pm  

    The use of the term “Zionist finance” is the sort of ignorant nonsense that brings blog commenting into disrepute.

  13. Anon — on 30th March, 2010 at 1:09 pm  

    Well, it’s finance and it’s provided by Zionists. How else would you characterise it?

  14. Anon — on 30th March, 2010 at 1:19 pm  

    To quote The Pro-Israel Lobby (p.21): “There is also a suggestion that some members of the CFI [Conservative Friends of Israel] target MPs who are critical of Israel. For instance Karen Buck, the Labour MP for Regent’s Park and Kensington North, has been an outspoken critic. Her Conservative opponent Joanne Cash, who works for the think tank Policy Exchange, has received cheques cumulatively worth at least £20,000.”

    Details here.

  15. Andy Gilmour — on 30th March, 2010 at 1:42 pm  

    Ok, well, the hitherto-utterly-secret truth is that, in fact *I* run the world (in my spare time, when I’m not engaged in child-rearing duties or musical endeavours), not “The Jews”, and it’s largely my fault it’s in such a state at the moment. Sorry.

    It won’t be so bad when mini-monkey no.2 starts primary school, and I’ve got a bit more time to devote to the job…oh, after I’ve re-puttied the window frames and tidied-up the garden.

    Can’t say fairer than that, eh?

  16. Arif — on 30th March, 2010 at 2:36 pm  

    What a weird thing to say, and why single out Israelis?

    If Martin Linton has a problem with the influence of money in politics, that is something I would be interested in knowing about – and his proposed solutions.

    Instead – admittedly in a context of a meeting about helping the Palestinians – he seems to suggest that Israeli money is worse than other money.

    But worst of all – he thinks it a good idea to make it a doorstep issue that pro-Israelis are trying to influence the election with their money. Whether he likes it or not, that is a message which can only be widely effective if it draws on bigotry, since he doesn’t appear to link it to any wider issue about money in politics.

    Maybe he does contextualise it more than reported, but even if he has good reason to believe that the influence of pro-Israeli donations is that big an issue, I’d assume he’s aware of how similar sounding arguments have been and are used by people in different contexts with a Nazi agenda, rather than his pro-human rights agenda.

  17. Rumbold — on 30th March, 2010 at 3:34 pm  

    Heh Shatterface.

    Thansk Earwiga.

    Anon/Bob Pitt:

    How come every time there is a story about anti-Israeli or anti-Semitic behaviour you appear to start talking about Zionist organisations? When we reported the rise in anti-Semitic attacks (which are separate from abuse based on Israel), you were complaining about ‘hardline Zionist organisations’?

    http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7391#comment-192563

    I don’t doubt that there are some pro-Israelis who lobby politicians. Jut as there are pro-Palestinians. And people who want both sides to prosper. But it is a big leap from that to ‘tentacles’ and presenting Israeli influence as somehow uniquely powerful.

    Criticise Israel all you want. Just stay away from tired old stereotypes of behind the scenes financiers who manipulate major events.

  18. Anon — on 30th March, 2010 at 4:07 pm  

    The CST is a hardline Zionist organisation. It has a history of exaggerating the level of antisemitism in order to assert that this is fuelled by criticism of Israel.

    Liberal Jews have pointed that out numerous times. For example in 2005 the Jewish Chronicle reported:

    A controversial BBC radio programme about the Community Security Trust includes allegations that the CST “bumps up” the figures on anti-Semitic attacks.

    “A War Against Prejudice,” due to be broadcast on Radio Four on Sunday, features interviews with Jewish critics who believe the CST exaggerates the problem, thereby stoking up paranoia within the community….

    Although writer Melanie Phillips told the programme that British Jews were facing a “firestorm” of anti-Semitism, the CST’s critics, including former Institute for Jewish Policy Research head Antony Lerman and interfaith activist Rabbi Herschel Gluck, said that they believed that the numbers of anti-Semitic attacks were exaggerated.

    Mr Lerman said he took the CST figures “with a pinch of salt. They’re sometimes a little bit disingenuous in the presentation of data. There is a degree of hype.”

    Rabbi Gluck went further, arguing that the CST’s highlighting of anti-Semitism is “counter-productive… It’s totally ridiculous to speak of echoes of the 1930s [when it comes to anti-Semitic incidents]. There is a touch of hysteria.”

    But Rumbold wouldn’t know anything about that because, as I’ve pointed out, he’s happy to take a position on controversial issues like this without bothering to research the subject.

  19. Sarah AB — on 30th March, 2010 at 4:11 pm  

    I found Soru’s point (6) very intriguing – i.e. the idea that someone might casually throw in an antisemitic trope which will set alarm bells ringing for some (especially but not only Jews) and seem innocuous or at least random to others. Thus the latter group may find the protests of the former group hypersensitive. Soru’s point reminds me of the way 7 Jewish Children polarised people so much.

  20. cjcjc — on 30th March, 2010 at 4:15 pm  

    @8 – if true, rather like Bob Pitt’s ludicrous overhyping of “Islamophobia” around every corner

  21. Dalbir — on 30th March, 2010 at 4:18 pm  

    If ‘Joos’ are actually doing half of the things attributed to them, they must be super intelligent beings from another galaxy.

    Bagel anyone?

  22. cjcjc — on 30th March, 2010 at 4:31 pm  

    (I meant @18)

  23. Don — on 30th March, 2010 at 5:11 pm  

    There are no super intelligent beings from another galaxy and there are no conspiracies involving tentacles. Yog-Sothoth doesn’t like this kind of talk.

  24. earwicga — on 30th March, 2010 at 5:13 pm  

    There are no super intelligent beings from another galaxy

    That’s just not true. I’ve seen E.T. and The X-Files…

  25. Dalbir — on 30th March, 2010 at 5:25 pm  

    Yeah! And don’t even try and ignore Kevin Spacey in K-PAX…..

  26. chairwoman — on 30th March, 2010 at 6:31 pm  

    “The CST is a hardline Zionist organisation. It has a history of exaggerating the level of antisemitism in order to assert that this is fuelled by criticism of Israel.”

    Well, Anon, where as you restrict your overt antisemitism to low-level anonymous allegations on other peoples blogs, the CST is actually out on the streets physically protecting us from your more viscious fellow travellers.

    That is what its remit is, protecting Jews on the streets, and in the synagogues of Britain, nothing to do with Zionism or Israel at all.

    Now why don’t you go and enjoy a quiet evening with Mein Kampf and leave us to enjoy Passover.

  27. Sarah AB — on 30th March, 2010 at 6:44 pm  

    @anon
    http://hurryupharry.org/2010/02/05/depressing-report-on-antisemitism/

    “In fact, about one-third of incidents reported to the CST were rejected as being ”antisemitic” because they appeared on investigation, specifically anti-Israeli or merely critical of Israel without the use of antisemitic terms or images. An example of a rejected report was one of a car vandalised because it had an Israeli flag sticker on the back window.”

  28. Rumbold — on 30th March, 2010 at 8:36 pm  

    Good point Sarah. Anon/Bob Pitt is aware of that too, but doesn’t like to acknowledge that they built that into their research.

  29. Refresh — on 30th March, 2010 at 8:37 pm  

    An astonishing development on the subject of lobbying:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/30/us-israel-lobby-pressure-obama

  30. Leon — on 30th March, 2010 at 10:15 pm  

    Yep, this bit is troubling:

    Aipac has persuaded more than three-quarters of the members of the US House of Representatives to sign a letter calling for an end to public criticism of Israel.

    That’s a ridiculous and almost sinister thing to achieve. The power of the state should not be underestimated, nor should any state escape public scrutiny for it’s actions.

    Israel deserves no special treatment in being held to account for it’s policies.

  31. Republican — on 30th March, 2010 at 11:54 pm  

    Typical political correctness gone mad. There is nothing antisemitic about criticising Israel or comparing it to an octopus. Just like there is nothing racist about criticising Obama or comparing him to a monkey.

  32. douglas clark — on 31st March, 2010 at 1:18 am  

    Rumbold,

    I agree with what you have to say here.

    I’d ask anyone that has contributed to this thread to say, exactly, how they, personally. have been influenced by Jewish / Zionist lobbying and to what extent it has effected their vote.

    It must be so damn good that I am unaware of it, or alternatively it could be non existent.

  33. fentonchem — on 31st March, 2010 at 1:45 am  

    “I think the collective punishment of Gaza is a war crime”

    So you support HAMAS, a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, in it’s racist, genocidal campaign.

    Abdallah Jarbu’, the Hamas deputy minister of religious endowments, Al-Aqsa TV, March 19, 2010.

    “The Jews, the brothers of apes and pigs, have gathered from all corners of the world, in order to defile the Al-Aqsa Mosque”

    “You cannot go on living, oh Arab and Islamic nation, while the Al-Aqsa Mosque is being defiled by the Jews, the most despicable people on this Earth. By Allah, they are not human beings. They are not men who deserve to live, as long as we are alive.”

    “We salute anyone who tried to run over Jews with his bulldozers. We salute anyone who tried to stab a Jewish settler pig”

    “We say to the Ramallah Authority: Give free rein to our brothers, so that they can wage Jihad to put an end to the attacks of the Jews. A martyrdom operation in the heart of Jerusalem, to blow up the settlements of the Jews, will terrify them and put an end to their schemes against us. A martyrdom operation in the heart of Tel Aviv will make them lose sleep, like in the past.”

    “The Jews, just like a cancer, operate via dormant cells, until the body collapses. We must stop this swelling, criminal, Zionist cancer”

    http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4061.htm

    You claim that Israels attempts to stop HAMAS terrorists entry into Israel and the flow of weapons into Gaza is a war crime. Instead it means you are an antisemitic supporter of a genocidal organization.
    But don’t worry, your support of a racist, genocidal, misogynistic, homophobic, terrorist organization will not cause you any discomfort from your left-wing friends; the majority share you view.

  34. Lucy — on 31st March, 2010 at 9:49 am  

    “Mr Linton last night said he did not recognise the “tentacles” comment, but admitted he had said that Israelis with dual nationalities were funding British parties. “http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7539394/Labour-MPs-accuse-Tories-of-being-too-close-to-Israel.html

    Who would put it beyond Israel to exert influence? I find myself far less convinced of the degree to which that can affect the forthcoming elections. But the holding of dual nationalities is not sinister in itself; nor is it an indication in itself of unswerving support for Israel’s policies either in general or towards the Palestinians and the Occupied Territories or towards anyone or any state.

    ‘Tentacles’ BTW does not mean ‘cabal’, nor is it a crime to be non-Jewish – or Jewish – and sharply critical of the continued settlement building in East Jerusalem or other Israeli policies vis à vis the Palestinians, the Occupied Territories, Israel’s lobbying, anyone’s lobbying or the policies of other players in the region – or anywhere, for that matter. It is not a crime to be green, pink, purple, brown, black or speckled and critical of any old state and non-state, including Israel.

    ‘Tentacles’ – is not an inappropriate image IMHO, for depicting the spread of settlements to East Jerusalem – if you are critical of it – and it is okay to be critical of it. It is an activity which Israel has encouraged and it is a fact on the ground, whatever political perspective on it is taken. That reality does, however, get obscured from time to time, and both the JC and the Telegraph were similarly vague about both the date and the purpose of the House of Commons meeting – or its relation to current events in focus in the Middle East. If the Al-Aqsa website is to be believed, the meeting was called for 24 March 2010 to discuss ‘The Crisis in Jerusalem’.http://www.aqsa.org.uk/HOME/tabid/36/ctl/Details/mid/378/ItemID/3028/language/en-GB/Default.aspx It is hard to know what all ensued at the meeting without a transcript, but the aqsa website has its perspective and some more details.

    ‘Tentacles’: Well, Israel’s ongoing settlement activity is documented as indeed profitable; whether it is always profitable or of long-term benefit of the state of Israel and all Israelis is a separate and debatable point. But profits do accrue. Both within and outside Israel according to research compiled by ‘The Coalition of Women for Peace’, a leading Israeli feminist peace organisation which documents the international and local economic interests that play a role in the occupation. “Israeli and international corporations are directly involved in the occupation: in the construction of Israeli colonies and infrastructure in the occupied territories, in the settlements’ economy, in building walls and checkpoints, in the supply of specific equipment used in the control and repression of the civilian population under occupation.” Below is specific documentation related to East Jerusalem.
    http://www.whoprofits.org/Search%20Results.php?sStr=East+Jerusalem
    http://www.whoprofits.org/
    [ caveat:This does not mean that profitable activities do not take place to the benefit of some UK citizens (and non-citizens) in other parts of the world - not just Israel.]

    More on ‘tentacles’ of possible interest:
    I searched ‘ Google News’ for “Israel’s tentacles” and up came: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=50269
    a link to an article in an American Jewish newspaper called “Yeshiva World”. That journal refers to an organisation in Israel called ‘New Israel Fund’ (whose influence in Israel ‘Yeshiva World’ presumably is not happy about): “New Israel Fund Extending its Tentacles to Israel’s Judicial System”. I strongly believe that ‘ Yeshiva World’ would be shocked and surprised if its disapproval of the ‘New Israel Fund’ was considered anti-Semitic; it just doesn’t like the ‘New Israel Fund’, an Israeli organisation within Israel.

  35. chairwoman — on 31st March, 2010 at 9:51 am  

    “Israel deserves no special treatment in being held to account for it’s policies.”

    A point well made. Leon, but not quite in the way you made it.

    Israel is called to account for its policies far in excess of any other country in the world.

    More resolutions are passed in the UN against Israel than any other country in the world.

    That’s quite an achievement for a country the size of Wales with a population of around 7,000,000 (7 million), don’t you think?

    And the link’s to the Guardian, surely not the most philo-semitic in the world.

  36. saeed — on 31st March, 2010 at 10:13 am  

    Israel is called to account for its policies far in excess of any other country in the world.

    its evident that you don’t care about the palestinians…

  37. LK — on 31st March, 2010 at 10:14 am  

    Many groups don’t need to “lobby” in order to carry sway with British policy making.

    Take Saudi Arabia and other oil-producing states – like, now, Libya – for instance.

    Britain and the US are hopelessly beholden to such countries.

    We’ll see this more and more with China’s influence over the US because of the amount of US debt they own.

    No need for the hassle of lobbying.

  38. Alec — on 31st March, 2010 at 10:17 am  

    I care about everything more than anyone else here… can we leave it at that?

    If the recent Dispatches programme is to be believed,

    No it’s not.

  39. Alec — on 31st March, 2010 at 10:19 am  

    Can I ask if Bob Pitt is mentally ill?

  40. chairwoman — on 31st March, 2010 at 12:43 pm  

    “its evident that you don’t care about the palestinians”

    I am assuming from you’re name that you’re Muslim. Therefore you, quite appropriately, put the interests of your co-religionists first.

    Why would you then be surprised, or even critical, that I as a Jew, feel the same for my co-religionists?

    It’s not that I don’t care about Palestinians, I wish that everybody could just get along with each other. As the old 60s verse said “I’ll do my thing, you do your thing..” It’s just that for every Jew like me, supporting the survival of the State of Israel, there are 10,000 Muslims, like you, calling for its destruction.

    Therefore, like it or not, I put my people first, because we are fighting for our survival.

  41. vildechaye — on 31st March, 2010 at 4:14 pm  

    The simple fact of the matter is that as soon as charges against “zionists” or Israel are made, remarks like ‘tentacles’ always follow. And surely as night follows day, there will be apologists calling the remarks “mistakes”, or even worse, “pretexts.”

    This of course is part of a larger canvass in which so many so-called progressives have casually accepted that “zionist money bought this” or “zionists control the media.” The only way this is possible, the only way you can believe that this tiny country of 7 million could control ANYTHING beyond its borders is if you believe the old, classic anti-semitic myth that Jews control the media, control the banks, control most governments, etc. etc. Otherwise, how on earth could Israel actually achieve and maintain such control. How did all these “zionists” come about, and who are they anyway? There is no other explanation (other than the rather peripheral issue of Christian zionists) than a Jewish conspiracy. I have yet to read another explanation from any of the gazillions of fierce anti-”zionists” out there. They are quick to assert “zionist” control/influence of this or that, but never explain how these “zionists” actually come to control anything. Because they can’t, not without betraying the sick racism that underlies such claims.

    And saeed, pointing out that Israel is so incredibly disproportionately singled out by the UN and its organizations like UNHRC does NOT equal “not caring about the Palestinians.” It equals not caring ONLY about the Palestinians.

  42. Rumbold — on 31st March, 2010 at 4:47 pm  

    Fentonchem:

    So you support HAMAS, a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, in it’s racist, genocidal campaign.

    Nope. I think they are a violent anti-Semitic organisation. But I think Israel should talk to them, such is the reality of the ground.

    You claim that Israels attempts to stop HAMAS terrorists entry into Israel and the flow of weapons into Gaza is a war crime.

    I have no problem with convoys into Gaza being searched. Nor do I doubt that Hamas manipulates the situation for its own ends. But that doesn’t make what Israel is doing right. I don’t think that there is an easy answer. But the current one isn’t the right one.

  43. Alec — on 31st March, 2010 at 6:29 pm  

    The UN clearly doesn’t care about Darfuris, say, as much as it does about Palestinian Arabs. The total dead of the latter, in all contexts, over 60 years represents a good season for the former; yet don’t even have a dedicated UN department.

  44. Refresh — on 31st March, 2010 at 6:50 pm  

    ‘I have no problem with convoys into Gaza being searched.’

    Me neither, if only they’d let them in.

  45. Rumbold — on 31st March, 2010 at 7:37 pm  

    Well exactly Refresh.

  46. Alec — on 31st March, 2010 at 8:12 pm  

    When did this thread become a discussion about Egypt, Rumbold and Refresh?

  47. Refresh — on 31st March, 2010 at 8:41 pm  

    I can see, this is going to be a struggle.

  48. chairwoman — on 31st March, 2010 at 9:35 pm  

    I will be back to discuss this tomorrow.

  49. Naadir Jeewa — on 1st April, 2010 at 12:23 am  

    [probableflame]

    To all those who think criticizing Israel from the left makes us all Hamas lovers, can I just direct your attention to the new book by the brilliant Michael Berube on the Left at War.

    Likewise, I would like to inform the borderline Islamists I met at Islam Expo the other year selling Hezbollah caps, saying “they’re a bit contentious” doesn’t make one a huge fan of Avigdor Lieberman.

    So, if you can’t relate two seemingly contradictory statements to quite simple principled norms about life in general, can you quietly piss off whilst the rest of us have a proper discussion.

    [/probableflame]

  50. Lucy — on 1st April, 2010 at 6:54 am  

    Was surprised last night to see that earlier entry @34 was finally plucked from SPAM. But it certainly went up later than a lot of the entries that followed, and, given that, I don’t understand why it was placed in the order in which it was submitted – as if it had been ‘up’ all along. It should have gone up at the time it was released from SPAM – (is that not technically possible?) – so it wouldn’t look as if possibly there may have been a response or responses to it (not that there were necessarily, of course), when, in fact, that would not have been possible – since it hadn’t been ‘up’ as long as a lot of the posts that came after it – which can only give a skewed view of what submissions other posters may or may not have read on the thread before they posted theirs. Of course, sometimes people post without reading previous posts or they post almost simultaneously and therefore can’t read slightly earlier posts – but that is not always the case and certainly I had been able to read rather a lot of ‘subsequent’ posts before #34 was released.

  51. chowder — on 1st April, 2010 at 7:33 am  

    Refresh and Rumbold: more than 654,987 tons of aid were allowed into Gaza last year.

    “At the Cabinet meeting of 22 March 2009, the Government of Israel instructed the bodies dealing with the matter, to enable the entry – without restriction – of foodstuffs to the residents of Gaza from all relevant sources, after it has been verified that they are indeed foodstuffs, and this in the framework of the humanitarian efforts. The Government directed that the foregoing be scrupulously implemented.”

    http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/rwb.nsf/db900sid/MUMA-7YP49R?OpenDocument

  52. chowder — on 1st April, 2010 at 7:41 am  

    Lucy, it seems that any post including is automatically witheld for moderation. The fact that posts are displayed in the order they’re submitted means that if moderation takes a while it’s entirely possible for a post to be shoved so far back that nobody notices it.

    I responded to Refresh and Rumbold’s comment about convoys with a post linking to reliefweb which states that more than 654,987 tons of aid was allowed into Gaza last year but the post was presumably witheld.

  53. chowder — on 1st April, 2010 at 7:43 am  

    That should be “any post including links is automatically witheld for moderation”

  54. Abu Faris — on 1st April, 2010 at 8:05 am  

    “I am assuming from you’re name that you’re Muslim. Therefore you, quite appropriately, put the interests of your co-religionists first.”

    Of course, not all Palestinians are Muslims.

    However, Islamist Palestinians (and their fellow travellers elsewhere) are keen to conflate I/P with some titanic struggle between Unbelievers and Islam – while merrily persecuting fellow Palestinians who happen to be Christians or non-religious.

    They care not a jot for the Palestinian people, in point of fact – most of the latter utterly loathing the men in beards and nighties who inflict upon Israeli and Palestinian, Jews and Arabs, daily a perverted creed of death and intolerance.

  55. Alec — on 1st April, 2010 at 9:52 am  

    >>I can see, this is going to be a struggle.

    Why would that be?

  56. chairwoman — on 1st April, 2010 at 11:46 am  

    Rumbold & Refresh

    Convoys from Israel enter Gaza daily. I’m sure they’re searched. For heaven’s sake trucks entering the UK are searched. Haven’t you seen the ‘Customs’ programmes?

    Egypt, hpwever, has banned any legitimate convoys from entering Gaza, hence the tunnels.

    Abu Faris

    Sound points. I would like however to say it’s not the beards and fancy dress that do the harm, but the wearers who all seem to be of the same mindset regardless of their faith.

    Alec

    Refresh is a man of high moral calibre, and he struggles.

  57. falcao — on 4th April, 2010 at 2:36 pm  

    British politics is without a doubt pro israel you have the 2 main parties fighting each other to prove which one is more loyal to israel and this is to gain access to cash and funding from the lobbies. To claim the israelies do not pump cash and influence british politics for their agenda is like saying the pope is not catholic!

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