Lee John Barnes urges BNP to ‘reach out’


by Rumbold
28th March, 2010 at 7:32 pm    

The Independent reports that Lee John Barnes LLB (Hons.), the legal officer of the BNP and sometime commentor, is calling for his party to appeal to a broader range of white voters. This comes as the BNP selected a barrister to fight a seat, and is an attempt by the BNP gain more respectability by moving away from the image of the violent extremist. Perhaps for this to succeed Mr. Barnes needs to get out there and try and woo voters with his special blend of charm:

Now shut the fuck up you pathetic whining maggots.

You sell your own out and therefore you deserve nothing but contempt, and hopefully along with the rest of all your kind in the near future – a quick trial , a short rope and a long drop.

If your not prepared to answer those questions, then just shut the fuck up you boring gobshite cunt.

There’s plenty more (and from other sites as well) but the above quotes represent Mr. Barnes’ attempts to ‘reach out’ to people who would otherwise not consider voting BNP.


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  1. MiriamBinder — on 28th March, 2010 at 7:35 pm  

    Won over the white working classes? I thought they were going to try and gain some nice ethnic members;)

  2. Leon — on 28th March, 2010 at 9:11 pm  

    The guys a complete tool…

  3. Don — on 28th March, 2010 at 9:31 pm  

    So Lee LLB (Hons.) remains the voice of the BNP. That is such good news.

  4. chairwoman — on 28th March, 2010 at 9:35 pm  

    “If your not prepared to answer those questions, then just shut the fuck up you boring gobshite cunt”

    The product of a university education….

  5. KB Player — on 28th March, 2010 at 10:10 pm  

    God, a scene of pure horror. Lee John Barnes “reaching out” for you. Dream of this and you wake up screaming.

  6. douglas clark — on 28th March, 2010 at 10:20 pm  

    Lee John Barnes appears to occupy a ‘favoured son’ position in the BNP hierarchy.

    This is a good thing.

  7. earwicga — on 28th March, 2010 at 10:25 pm  

    Too right douglas clark! After reading that Polanski Case thread I can totally see the case for platforming the BNP at every possible opportunity.

  8. douglas clark — on 28th March, 2010 at 10:34 pm  

    earwicga,

    Yes.

    And it is important that the electorate is made aware of the astounding intellect of one of the BNPs’ favoured sons!

    He has, after all, very decently decided that, when the glorious day comes and the BNP form the government, that I will be surplus to requirements. I am quite looking forward to my new life in Bermuda…

    Whether, OTOH, the Bermudans are looking forward to me is, sadly, unanswered.

  9. earwicga — on 28th March, 2010 at 10:40 pm  

    Oh well, I shall miss you douglas should that eventuality ever come to pass ;)

  10. douglas clark — on 28th March, 2010 at 11:00 pm  

    My dear earwicga,

    Don’t worry. You’ll be able to walk a few yards along the pavement – hell mend it, it might even be a boardwalk – from your place to mine.

    And as the sun sets into the ocean, we will raise a g & t to Lee John Barnes (LlB Hons), the first man in history – methinks – to manage to repatriate us to the place of our dreams rather than the sad limitations of our reality.

    —————————-

    This too deserves a Hurrah!

    A spokesman for Searchlight, the anti-fascist organisation, said: “This is an indication of Nick Griffin’s desperation as he is unable to break through to the extent he had hoped following the European elections and he is casting around for a new strategy. This will inevitably increase divisions within the BNP which have already been created by his disastrous Question Time performance and his defeat at the hands of the Equality and Human Rights Commission.”

    I hope Lee John Barnes retains his pre-eminent position as the only brain the BNP have got. He must retain his purity of thought and his incisive analysis.

    But mostly he must continue to engage with us in that featherlight sweet way he does.

    You know it makes sense….

  11. douglas clark — on 28th March, 2010 at 11:20 pm  

    Earwicga,

    And I would miss you too.

    However I suspect that, when the glorious day comes, everyone that has even looked at Pickled Politics as a possible porn site will be joining me, and you my friend, in the exodus.

    This is a hugely generous gesture by the BNP.

    For, basically, getting us out of here to anywhere else would save us all from a hell on earth.

  12. Paul Moloney — on 29th March, 2010 at 5:39 pm  

    “If your not prepared to answer those questions, then just shut the fuck up you boring gobshite cunt”

    It’s the grammarian in me that makes the use of “your” the most offensive part of that sentence to me.

    P.

  13. douglas clark — on 29th March, 2010 at 5:55 pm  

    Paul Maloney @ 10

    Err…

    It is not his grammar that worries me, exactly. But whatever floats your boat.

  14. MaidMarian — on 29th March, 2010 at 6:30 pm  

    Rumbold – The problem is though that those quotes are pretty much exactly what the people the BNP are trying to reach out to want to hear. Whatever one thinks of the BNP they have worked out how to do simple.

    The BNP actively seek those for whom nuance is nothing and for whom politics is an absolute. What will sink the BNP is nuance, not anything else.

    Those internet comments (and I realise I may be giving too much credit here) are a part of a strategy to dumb down politics and sell an easy, over-simple political message safe in the knowledge that it will never have to be taken forward in government. The BNP do not want votes first and foremost they want – to use Sunny’s favourite phrase – hearts and minds. They want the sneer, the dumbed-down and the professional malcontent. Why do you think there is such a heavy BNP presence on talkboards?

    The insults ARE part of a strategy and you dismiss them far too lightly here Rumbold.

  15. Rumbold — on 29th March, 2010 at 6:41 pm  

    Apologies to those trapped in spam filters.

    MaidMarian:

    I agree that we are not the traget audience. However, LJB has led calls to appeal to a broader range of voters, and calls like that tend to presume a more ‘moderate’ and ‘polite’ strategy, as the party moves beyond the people that would vote for it anyway.

  16. KB Player — on 29th March, 2010 at 6:45 pm  

    Further to MaidMarian’s comment I remember pre the Euro elections Charlie Brooker very skilfully and hilariously taking the piss out of an amateur looking advert the BNP had produced. However, I thought that potential BNP voters might find that amateurishness endearing. Just like those people who love Sarah Palin because “she’s like them”. The thought of someone as ignorant as they are about foreign countries and economics being in charge doesn’t cause them disquiet at all.

  17. MaidMarian — on 29th March, 2010 at 6:51 pm  

    Ah, Rumbold – the classic mistake when it comes to the BNP. ‘Tend to presume,’ presume nothing, at least not on the terms of conventional politics. These people have set themselves up specifically to trade on the anti-politics message. ‘Moderate,’ ‘Polite,’ are things that these people have turned their faces against. LJB’s comments on here are specifically inkeeping with that, so he can say that he is not acting like a, ‘normal,’ politician.

    The best thing a BNP person will hear is, ‘I would not vote for the BNP, but…..’ With that but, it is all over.

    KB Player is correct – indeed, if I was a BNP member I would consider a Guardian attack as a badge of honour.

  18. douglas clark — on 29th March, 2010 at 6:53 pm  

    MaidMarian,

    I’ve obviously got to ask you this. In the coming General Election what do you think the percentage vote for the BNP will be? I’d assume it will be around 2 – 5 % or thereabouts. Probably around the lower estimate, what with nutters having UKIP to vote for and all.

    So, who cares what LJB thinks or says?

    In my opinion we could be guilty of larging them up.

  19. MaidMarian — on 29th March, 2010 at 7:24 pm  

    douglas clark – best guess – 3% with a particular disappointment in Oldham.

    But again, votes are not the point for the BNP – getting their simplified vision to be common currency is the first priority, getting votes comes second.

    We are indeed guilty of bigging them up in the sense that under the BNP model of politics no publicity is bad publicity. Indeed, the more they are attacked, the more they can feed on the victimhood that, to them is far more important than votes.

    I suspect that BillericayDickey will be along soon to tell me how wrong I am.

  20. Rumbold — on 29th March, 2010 at 8:13 pm  

    MaidMarian:

    I thik that there is a natural limit to the ‘surrounded victim’ vote. This has played well with the core BNP vote, and articles condemning BNP voters as pig-ignorant racists tends to drive more people into their hands. But I don’t think highlighting rudeness does that. I can’t see many people looking at LJB and thinking “he tells it like it is”, unless they already agree with him.

  21. douglas clark — on 29th March, 2010 at 8:18 pm  

    MaidMarian,

    Well, yes, I suppose you are right about them getting their viewpoint over. Quite how getting their message out – and they seem to be having no difficulty in achieving that – and winning hearts and minds seems to be their main difficulty. I probably know more about the BNP manifesto than I do about the manifesto’s of the major parties.

    Least I think I do.

    Point being that despite that ‘success’ I don’t believe it will ever translate into votes. Indeed, rather the opposite.

    It’s an interesting question though, isn’t it?

  22. Ravi Naik — on 29th March, 2010 at 8:22 pm  

    But again, votes are not the point for the BNP – getting their simplified vision to be common currency is the first priority, getting votes comes second.

    Actually, I disagree. What is their vision really? It is one of white supremacy, where non-whites can never have the same entitlements as whites. They are not selling that vision because it doesn’t sell and doesn’t get them votes.

    So, they simply hijacked the Islamophobic narrative of the tabloids, which is safer for them to operate. In my view, it is all about the votes: they can’t lose their base, but at the same time they need to.. er… diversify if they want to grow. With Lee John Barnes providing legal advice to the BNP, all I can say is pass me the popcorn.

  23. douglas clark — on 29th March, 2010 at 8:33 pm  

    Ravi Naik,

    I agree with the point you are making, but I’d suggest it is not about white supremacy as such, it is about – on their better days – white british supremacy. Specifically those of us that can be shown to have been here since the last ice age or summat.

    It is, of course, complete nonsense.

  24. MaidMarian — on 29th March, 2010 at 8:47 pm  

    Rumbold/douglas – Thanks.

    Ravi Naik – They are not selling the white supermacy vision, but they are selling a watered down version of it with Islam as the main target. But I differ from you in that I think it does sell, if only in a negative way, that is, ‘they’re not Labour/Tories.’

    The BNP want votes, but at least as much as that they want people to say, ‘I’d never vote for them, but….’

    Even if that does not translate into votes it still translates into the intangible sense of them and us that the BNP really have as a vision.

  25. Ravi Naik — on 29th March, 2010 at 10:25 pm  

    But I differ from you in that I think it does sell, if only in a negative way, that is, ‘they’re not Labour/Tories.’

    But this is a classic populist tactic of a party that does not have anything to offer. It is certainly not a strategy of bringing a new brand of politics or ideology – as they are simply rehashing the outrage-du-jour from the tabloids.

    It is also not a strategy of expanding their base with their anti-politics message. Because they are only ceasing the moment where the economy is down and where politicians are deeply unpopular. What happens when the economy starts growing? The government can of course hope for better economic times or provide some economic relief to ease the anger, and the main opposition can actually steal the BNP’s narrative. Conservatives can talk about immigration, British identity (where all are included), tough on crime without sounding racist or incompetent as the BNP.

    The BNP want votes, but at least as much as that they want people to say, ‘I’d never vote for them, but….’
    Even if that does not translate into votes it still translates into the intangible sense of them and us that the BNP really have as a vision.

    I am actually curious as to why people in that category don’t vote for them.

  26. KJB — on 29th March, 2010 at 10:26 pm  

    Lee John Barnes LLB (Hons.), the legal officer of the BNP and sometime commentor, is calling for his party to appeal to a broader range of white voters

    The irony, the irony!

    KB Player’s comment actually made me laugh out loud. Good Lord.

    I wonder how successful courting the ‘Islamophobic’ vote will really be for them, since there’s a number of others, including to some extent the main three, who are also playing that tune. UKIP have certainly got to be a fairly big stumbling block for the BNP in reaching out to white middle-class voters.

  27. Paul Moloney — on 30th March, 2010 at 5:08 am  

    “It is not his grammar that worries me, exactly. But whatever floats your boat.”

    Er, it’s humour based on the fact that I’m a writer and have an over-the-top loathing for bad spelling and grammar. It’s never funny when you have to explain it. *sigh*

    P.

  28. damon — on 30th March, 2010 at 9:25 am  

    The main three parties are courting the ‘Islamophobic’ vote KJB? How do you come to that view?

    You’re not a member of the SWP or Respect are you?

  29. Jai — on 30th March, 2010 at 10:01 am  

    But again, votes are not the point for the BNP – getting their simplified vision to be common currency is the first priority, getting votes comes second.

    Actually, I disagree. What is their vision really? It is one of white supremacy, where non-whites can never have the same entitlements as whites. They are not selling that vision because it doesn’t sell and doesn’t get them votes.

    LJB has confirmed on this very website that the BNP’s short-term aim isn’t to win votes (and that they certainly don’t expect to win the impending General Election) but to infiltrate and poison British culture in order to ensure that their views gain increasing acceptance within mainstream British society as a whole, with the intention that in the long-term the BNP will eventually be sufficiently widely regarded as a viable party for national election. They don’t need to secure “the vast majority of votes” — just enough to win an election.

    Cluster-bombing internet talkboards (especially those associated with the major British newspapers) with large numbers of activists is part of this strategy, in order to inflate the mainstream perception of the level of public support for their attitudes, particularly involving actions by BNP activists pretending not to be members of the party due to the current stigma associated with it (“I don’t support the BNP, but….”). According to internal communications within the BNP, apparently the latter is also a Trojan Horse technique being encouraged directly by Griffin.

    They’re playing the long game.

  30. KJB — on 30th March, 2010 at 11:44 am  

    damon – No, I’m not. However, when Phil Woolas gets all dog-whistle on immigration as has been mentioned either here or LibCon or both, that is a perfect example of courting the ‘Islamophobic’ vote. I suspect the Tories as well will have said something similar. Immigration has become linked to the narrative of the ‘Islamisation’ of Britain, the idea that ‘we’ are becoming surrounded by ‘them’ who want to ‘take away’ ‘our’ way of life.

  31. MaidMarian — on 30th March, 2010 at 6:23 pm  

    Jai – Thank you. You are right, I had forgotten that LJB had actually acknowledged that votes are secondary to BNP strategy on here. As far as I know that is the only time that BNP officialdom has said that in public.

    For what it’s worth, this has been a really good thread!

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