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    Handyman? Pest controller? Bomb maker? Rapist?


    by earwicga
    26th March, 2010 at 10:02 am    

    Yesterday I clicked into a link titled ‘ UK police asks Internet cafes to monitor customers’ thinking it would be about tracking sexual predators. Of course not, it was about terrorism - arguably the most bad-taste subject imaginable - doh!

    The Metropolitan Police said Thursday that the initiative — which has been rolled out over the past weeks under the auspices of the government’s counterterrorism strategy — is aimed at reminding cafe owners that authorities are ready to hear from them if they have concerns about their Internet users.

    The BBC Asian Network writes that this is part of a new programme in the government’s £140m Prevent strategy to help counterterrorism’.  Details of this new programme can be accessed from the Met’s home page, where I was delighted to find a lovely link to a wonderful Four Lions advertising poster:

    But the Met’s home page contains NO links to preventing sexual abuse and violence despite the chance of being affected by sexual abuse and violence is roughly 3 million times higher than being killed by a terrorist.

    While there is a 43,500/1 chance of being killed in an accident at work there is an 8,000/1 chance of being killed in a road accident … to meet your end is in a shark attack with odds of 300,000,000/1 … [and the] odds of dying in a terrorist attack are 9,300,000/1

    The few Rape Crisis Centres still left in existence have to grovel for subsistence funding year on year to provide a minimum level of service to victims of sexual abuse and violence, and the chance of any thought of countering such crime isn’t even on the radar of those with the capabilities to do it.

    Where are the £140m campaigns to spot sexual predators and report them? Certainly not on this piece of crap page from the Met. With terrorists we advertise to catch the criminals. With sexual predators we advertise to limit the activities of potential victims whilst getting in the blame on victims early. Where is the counter sexual predator legislation with it’s extended questioning periods and indefinite incarceration without trial? If 1 in 3 people weren’t being attacked by sexual predators yesterday but it started today then that WOULD be a national emergency. Just because it already happens why does it make it any less important to counter? What we get instead is the worthy Stern Review with it’s debatable statistics and no mention of funding for the worthiness.

    New counterterrorism campaign: Don’t leave your house and you won’t be blown up. If you do and you are then it’s your own fault. And never get on a plane. See anything wrong with that?


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    1. JSlayerUK — on 26th March, 2010 at 10:29 am  

      Wish I could be surprised by this. Nobody cares about sexual abuse. Hell, if even the Pope doesn’t give a Ratz ass, who expects anything from the Met?

    2. Shamit — on 26th March, 2010 at 12:34 pm  

      Excellent post.

      And the mainstream media too is partly to blame becuase when was the last time you saw a decent programme on any one of our channels about the level of sexual violence in our society.

      On ACPO’s ridiculous and abominable campaign, the law says the past sexual history and “behaviour” cannot be brought into a rape or sexual violence case but here you have the Chief Police Officers of the country telling the potential victims that somehow it might be your fault if you got raped. Now that’s reassuring isn’t it? Wtf?

    3. soru — on 26th March, 2010 at 2:32 pm  

      [and the] odds of dying in a terrorist attack are 9,300,000/1

      I think there is some kind of miscalculation of risk going on there. The _recent_ historical odds of dying in political violence in the UK may be that small, but the level of political violence is something that demonstrably can change by orders of magnitude.

      If, say, you’d calculated it in 1913, then you might well have made the same kind of misjudgement as someone getting into buy-to-let in 2008.

      It’s precisely that variability in the level risk of death by political violence that makes it a focus of media and political attention.

    4. KJB — on 27th March, 2010 at 12:37 am  

      Yes, but earwicga, it’s mostly WOMEN who tend to suffer sexual abuse such as you refer to - and who gives a shit about women?! Children clearly aren’t all that important either, as the Catholic Church is currently demonstrating. We live in a culture where strength and ‘hardness’ is fetishised and softness/weakness is frequently seen as tantamount to inviting violence upon oneself - that’s why it’s so much easier to victim-blame than it is to actually do something to make a difference. It’s almost like vulnerability is some kind of a provocation - God knows why.

      Plus, on the issue of rape particularly, any real effort to combat it would have to involve a complete overhaul in societal attitudes. As you know, the vast majority of rapes are committed by SOMEONE KNOWN TO THE VICTIM. If society acknowledged that, the comforting victim-blaming mode which is so handy for preserving order would be threatened. People would have to ask ‘Why? Why do so many victims know their attackers?’ and that’s not an issue anyone wants to look at. I think a large part of why this never seems to go anywhere is the need for men and women both to collude in the myth that we inhabit a ‘post-feminist’ world, just like some Americans honestly believe they are living in a ‘post-racial’ age (ha! Pull the other one).

    5. JuliaM — on 27th March, 2010 at 5:19 am  

      So, it’s appalling that the Met are hosing taxpayers money on getting everyone to be suspicious of and distrust everyone else…but only because the target is terrorism, and not your particular bugbear? If they were targeting ‘sexual predators’, you’d be just fine with it?

      *chortle*

      Some of you on the left just make it so easy, don’t you?

    6. Boyo — on 27th March, 2010 at 7:21 am  

      This is the same JuliaM who has just posted on HP

      “I never did see why the poll tax raised so much ire. I thought it was a fair tax then, and think it would be a fair tax now.”

      Possibly the most stupid comment ever. One has to wonder if she has brains between her ears or strawberry jam.

      If that’s what being “on the right” means God help us all.

    7. Golam Murtaza — on 27th March, 2010 at 8:13 am  

      Re looking out for possible terrorist-related purchases… Where I live, a day after the attempted Glasgow Airport car bombing, armed police raided a number of houses after a tip off that some young Asian guys were seen buying a large quantity of gas cylinders. Were they dodgy? Yes - but in this case they were re-stocking their heating supplies for their large Cannabis plant farm! They picked a really bad time to go buying gas canisters.

    8. damon — on 27th March, 2010 at 10:52 am  

      I make no real comment of my own here, being somewhat of a novice on this issue, and having got into a blazing row with some people on another website when I posted the link to the article which I will post here in a minute.

      One of them had mentioned the “Reclaim the Night” marches that take place every year in the UK and all over America, to highlight the issue of violence against women. I looked them up on google and watched several youtube videos of these events - and read Julie Bindel who wrote in the Guardian about them.
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/nov/23/gender.uk

      That was the first I had heard of her, and the opening lines of here article are these:

      Some of the best fun I have ever had involved standing outside sex shops, taking photographs of men entering the premises and then shouting at them when they came out. There have been other joys too, like pouring cement down the toilet of a cinema that screened nasty pornography. And then there was the time when I and a few fellow feminists spray-painted half of Yorkshire warning that rapists would be castrated.

      I thought to myself ”oh dear” - as that kind of feminism is not the kind I have grown to respect.

      This is the link that I did a couple of years ago that landed me in hot water with some of the women on that other site.
      http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/520/

      As a man (I was told) I should just shut up about issues like this as I could never really have a proper understanding them because of my gender.

    9. notmarvin — on 27th March, 2010 at 3:37 pm  

      The fact that you’re very very unlikley to die in a terrorist attack may well be because you live in a field in Norfolk, rather than travel to Russell Square each day by the tube. And because of counter-terrorism efforts.

      However, ignoring the pitfalls of such statistics, the police and intelligence services have thwarted many plots, which if each had come to fruition would have killed hundreds, perhaps a thousand or two.

      Of course, they government is throwing money down the drain on these advertising campaigns; they nearly always do.

      Really, however, the real fear in the UK’s cities and towns cities is violent crime, which overall has reduced - from very high figures in 2008. However, the child gangs are still there, feral, and out of control as we saw with the Victoria school boy stabbing during the week. And drunken thugs often get get away with kicking people to death on a night out.

      Rape needs to be tackled, but without tougher sentencing for such violent crime, smarter police work and less bureaucracy the situation will not improve.

      Domestic violence and violence against women is prolific in some demographics, police work and government campaigns needs to be targeted.

      damon

      Some of the best fun I have ever had involved standing outside sex shops, taking photographs of men entering the premises and then shouting at them when they came out

      If I so chose to partake in a browsal of such a sexual shop and were greeted by such Millie Tant characters I don’t think I’d be able to stop laughing. And I wonder if they shout at female customers? I doubt it!

    10. notmarvin — on 27th March, 2010 at 3:42 pm  

      And asking owners of internet cafes to monitor for signs of terrorism? How would they do that?!

      They could install an MI5 version of the MS paperclip…

      “I see you’re trying to plan a terrorist outrage! Perhaps you’d like to try something else instead.
      * Knitting
      * Plant photography
      * Cooking biscuits”

    11. BenSix — on 27th March, 2010 at 3:58 pm  

      Hey, hey, hey - lay off JuliaM. It’s a delight to see the world “chortle” used without irony; takes me back to my old Beano-reading days.

      By the way, fertiliser’s the least of our worries. Here’s a weapon perfect for enacting “sweet” revenge.

    12. earwicga — on 27th March, 2010 at 4:47 pm  

      Ben Six - the dangers of stealing sugar from internet cafes!

      notmarvin - more likely: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068458/ I simply don’t believe “the police and intelligence services have thwarted many plots, which if each had come to fruition would have killed hundreds, perhaps a thousand or two.” and can’t even pretend to *chortle* - ironic or not - at the fact that people believe that.

      damon - I’m delighted that you see that feminism isn’t one monolithic movement. Julie Bindel is right out on the edge and her favoured form of division is not one which I favour or find particularly useful. In addition, I am appalled at her transphobic rants which are regularly published. To me, at the core of feminism is ridding us of the gender binary and that is as much to do with men as well as women. As rape and sexual violence are - both as victims and perpetrators. Obviously being told to shut up because of your gender is grossly sexist! So don’t! As for the Spiked link - it’s fairly common stuff and not something I find particularly useful.

      Golam - Oh dear! There lies a cast iron case for alternative energy sources :)

      JuliaM & soru - ONE in THREE.

      KJB - Precicely. But women aren’t 100% of the direct victims and aren’t 0% of the perpetrators. I am encouraged that there are some male led campaigns working on societal attitudes - particularly on American college campuses. I’ve seen some examples of really good work and hopefully it is something which will be embraced more. I was impressed with the recent UK preventing ‘domestic’ violence within teenage campaign which focused on the abuser. More like that would be great. ‘Post-feminist’ - ha ha ha!

      Shamit - thank you. Definate hypocrisy between the actual campaign and the words of the police. I don’t know why awareness is so low, but yes the mass media could definately help a lot more.

      JSlayerUK - the picture does indeed seem bleak. One big benefit from the publicity surrounding clerical sexual abuse is that it is everywhere and is encouraging many survivors to speak out and seek the help they need, whether they were the victim of clerical sexual abuse or not. It is usual for survivors to wait many years before seeking help and many never do - services must be increased for these people and that is most definately not the situation at the moment.

    13. BenSix — on 27th March, 2010 at 4:50 pm  

      The fact that you’re very very unlikley to die in a terrorist attack may well be because you live in a field in Norfolk, rather than travel to Russell Square each day by the tube.

      No, it’s because we’re all very, very unlikely to die in a terrorist attack.

      …Some of the best fun I have ever had involved standing outside sex shops, taking photographs of men entering the premises and then shouting at them when they came out…

      In fairness, writing Guardian columns to near-universal derision casts a positive light on any activity.

    14. KJB — on 27th March, 2010 at 7:34 pm  

      earwicga - yes, I did say ‘mostly,’ - I don’t think men should be sidelined as victims of DV, but although I know men have accused some feminists of not taking them seriously over this issue, ironically it is the cultural perception of masculinity that is far more effective in ‘silencing’ them by meaning that they often aren’t taken seriously.

    15. earwicga — on 27th March, 2010 at 7:45 pm  

      Oh yes I know and appreciated your comment KJB. And I think you are spot on in your analysis of societal factors.

    16. notmarvin — on 27th March, 2010 at 7:52 pm  

      earwicga, so you don’t believe the security services have thwarted plots. It doesn’t surprise me particularly, as you appear to be on the left of most Guardian readers, even.

      You think it’s politics of fear, an illusion, to keep the masses under political control. How enlightened you must be!

      https://www.mi5.gov.uk/output/terrorist-plots-in-the-uk.html

      Notable recent terrorist convictions have included the following:

      * 27 February 2002
      Moinul Abedin was sentenced to 20 years’ imprisonment after being convicted of making large amounts of detonators and the explosive HMTD in a Birmingham house.
      * 1 April 2003
      Leicester residents Brahim Benmerzouga and Baghdad Merziane were each sentenced to 11 years’ imprisonment for their roles in fundraising for Al Qaida and other extremist groups.
      * 13 April 2003
      “Ricin plotter” Kamel Bourgass was convicted of the murder of PC Stephen Oake in Manchester and conspiracy to cause a public nuisance using explosives and the deadly poison ricin.
      * 22 April 2003
      Saajit Badat was imprisoned for 13 years following his admission that he had plotted with jailed shoebomber Richard Reid to destroy an airliner over the Atlantic.
      * 7 February 2006
      Radical London cleric Abu Hamza was convicted of incitement to murder and sentenced to 7 years.
      * 26 May 2006
      Kazi Nur al-Rahman was convicted of attempting to procure guns, rocket-propelled grenades and surface-to-air missiles, and was sentenced to 9 years.
      * 7 November 2006
      Al Qaida operative Dhiren Barot was sentenced to a minimum of 30 years’ imprisonment after admitting a plot to attack UK and US targets using a “dirty bomb” and gas-filled limousines.
      * 30 April 2007
      Five men were imprisoned for life after being convicted of a plot to attack targets such as shopping centres and nightclubs using fertiliser-based explosives.
      * 15 June 2007
      Seven men were jailed for a total of 136 years for their involvement in Dhiren Barot’s “dirty bomb” plot and “Gas Limos Project”.
      * 5 July 2007
      Three men were imprisoned for up to 10 years after being convicted of using the Internet to promote terrorism.
      * 11 July 2007
      The four would-be suicide bombers of 21 July 2005 were given life sentences following their convictions on charges of conspiracy to murder.

      Are you saying, enlightened one, that MI5 and the government have created this smoke and mirrors illusion? It’s lies? Perhaps to start another war for oil?

      Or perhaps you are saying that there pathetic little plots that would be unlikely to amount to much, just alienated, disaffected youths seeking to express their anger because The Iraq War Was Wrong? :P

      Have a good Saturday evening all. :)

    17. earwicga — on 27th March, 2010 at 8:04 pm  

      You’ve got me now notmarvin - I’m weally weally scared.

    18. Ravi Naik — on 27th March, 2010 at 8:45 pm  

      On ACPO’s ridiculous and abominable campaign, the law says the past sexual history and “behaviour” cannot be brought into a rape or sexual violence case but here you have the Chief Police Officers of the country telling the potential victims that somehow it might be your fault if you got raped. Now that’s reassuring isn’t it? Wtf?

      I have to say I disagree with this reading. There have been campaigns against the use of illegal minicabs because of several instances of rapes - is that a ridiculous prevention campaign? I think it would be irresponsible for the government and the police not to mention about the dangers of binge drinking because of political correctness or because it offends some feminists.

    19. Ravi Naik — on 27th March, 2010 at 9:00 pm  

      I agree with the basic premise of earwicga’s post - a lot of people have succumb to fear and paranoia about getting killed in an act of terrorism. I also do not believe that Marvin’s point about thwarted plots stand: even at the scale of several 9/11 it hardly compares to other far more probable ghastly events that no one thinks about.

      Having said that, I believe that terrorist attacks do more harm than just the number of people that are killed. Civil liberties are taken away, racist attacks and racism rise dramatically, extremist forces become more popular, wars are justified and a lot more people die.

    20. Boyo — on 27th March, 2010 at 9:56 pm  

      @19 But it is a bit sad this sniping at the police who are after all only trying their best - sadly it’s impossible for them to win. Either we’re getting blown up left right and centre (and there’s reasonable evidence to suggest were it not for their efforts we might be) and they’re hopeless, witless morons, or they’re doing a good job suppressing terrorism and they’re over-reacting because of course there isn’t a problem is there, the fascists.

      It’s an old story… indeed, I think the vacationing Sunny coined the phrase - whataboutery ;-)

    21. earwicga — on 27th March, 2010 at 10:29 pm  

      Ravi - do you think there are any women in existence who don’t know the ‘dangers’? John Worboys didn’t drive an unlicenced cab and was sentenced for attacks on 12 women and it is thought that he attacked hundreds of women during his time as a licenced taxi driver.

      Rape victims aren’t raped because they have been drinking or because they are in an unlicenced taxi cab - they are raped because they are in the presence of a rapist and ‘In 85.7% of recorded rape crimes the suspect was known to the victim or identified following investigation (HMCPS & HMIC, 2007).’ The figure is higher in child sexual abuse at 90%.

      Do you not think that posters stating that predators might be unlicenced cab drivers is a just stating the obvious, somewhat misleading, and a total waste of money?

      Having said that, I believe that terrorist attacks do more harm than just the number of people that are killed. Civil liberties are taken away, racist attacks and racism rise dramatically, extremist forces become more popular, wars are justified and a lot more people die.

      Absolutely agree. Same way as any crime affects many more than those who are involved as direct victims. Child victims of sexual assault are more likely to become sexual predators themselves, suicide rates are 10% higher, and civil liberties are reduced to some extent for all women and children because of the risk of sexual violence and rape. Plus there are an awful lot of assaulted women who hate and distrust men (and I imagine vice versa in lesser numbers) and that does nothing positive for society.

    22. earwicga — on 27th March, 2010 at 10:42 pm  

      PS - Ravi, I appreciate you commenting after what I said last time you commented on one of my posts. It was badly put to say the least.

    23. notmarvin — on 28th March, 2010 at 2:24 pm  

      You’ve got me now notmarvin – I’m weally weally scared

      I am not asking you to be scared Miss earwicga

      The fact that politicians, and government use fear of terrorism as a political tool is neither here nor there. Manipulating fear or desire for every subject you can think of is the name of the game in politics.

      It’s just you have appeared to contradict the fact that quite a few plots have been uncovered which would have killed people.

      I simply don’t believe “the police and intelligence services have thwarted many plots, which if each had come to fruition would have killed hundreds, perhaps a thousand or two.” and can’t even pretend to *chortle* – ironic or not – at the fact that people believe that.

      It’s just an odd thing to say. Chortle, people believe police have saved lives by thwarting plots. Chortle! Ironic or not.

    24. earwicga — on 28th March, 2010 at 2:48 pm  

      notmarvin - ‘chortle’ was used in relation to another comment. And do you think I am a child or a beauty queen - what’s with the ‘Miss’?

    25. damon — on 28th March, 2010 at 4:11 pm  

      This is what I got into trouble for raising on that other website. Questioning the politics of ‘Reclaim the Night’ and people like The London Feminist Network.

      And posting some youtubes like this with a somewhat skeptical (but genuinely courious) position.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS4LkFCDk3k

      I made it clear that I wasn’t very knowledgeable on this issue and asked for some people to suggest writers and commentators they held in esteem so that I could look them up.
      I didn’t get much of a (friendly) response.

      So I’m still somewhat in the dark as to who are good people to read about feminist issues.

      Mentioning this book didn’t go down too well, but it’s one of the few that I have read (15 years ago)
      http://www.amazon.com/Morning-After-Sex-Fear-Feminism/dp/0316754323

    26. earwicga — on 28th March, 2010 at 6:49 pm  

      Damon - from looking at the wiki page and some reviews of Katie Roiphe I can see how it wouldn’t have gone down well. It looks like an interesting read. From looking around it seems there was a lot of criticism of numbers and studies around rape of a kind that I never see today, I also don’t know why though - this also from 1994 is interesting: http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9502/sommers.html

      Have you read ‘Yes Means Yes: Visions of Female Sexual Power and A World Without Rape’ edited by Jaclyn Friedman and Jessica Valenti? There is also a website called Yes Means Yes which is mainly written by Thomas MacAulay Millar http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/ who also wrote this post on Feministe which is interesting: http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2010/03/25/predator-theory/

      I don’t know if you watched any of BBC4′s Women programmes, I caught the last one about activists and it was about organisations like FiL which portrayed a white middle class London centric view of feminism. Very poor programme that I meant to blog about as well as this rather harsh article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/24/middle-class-feminism-politics/print

      There is also http://abyss2hope.blogspot.com/ I haven’t read it for a while so don’t know how useful it is to your kind of questions. I’ll have a think about some 101 resources.

    27. notmarvin — on 28th March, 2010 at 8:27 pm  

      Sorry- earwicga - I didn’t mean to oppress you with my blatantly sexist, ageist, and patronising ‘Miss’. I did think of ‘mate’ but I knew whatever I said you’d relish taking offence!

      In “real life” do you reject all honorific titles or perhaps settle for Ms.?

      I understand your use of chortle. I was wandering if you fancied answering the question if you believed police have thwarted plots and saved lives or you were simply laughing at people taking terrorist threats too seriously? …

    28. damon — on 29th March, 2010 at 11:51 am  

      I’ve been reading those links Earwicga. Interesting stuff.
      I knew I was right about those Reclaim the Night people. Where they will go with the ”one in four” figure, and anyone who might wonder if it is too high - especially a man - will get told where to go.

      What interests me most is not so much the issue being discussed, but how people who present themselves as liberal or left (or feminist) deal with people who question their authority.

      One of the women on that other forum who got so cross with me (and who had been on these Reclaim the Night marches) mentioned that she had been a victim of sexual assault.
      So that was it. Conversation over. And as I was a man I was out of order to say any more. I could not contradict three of four feminist women who ”obviously” knew far more than I ever could.

      I hadn’t really come at it with any fixed opinions - but I guess they didn’t like my tone.

      To me articles like this are just things I think should be taken into consideration.
      http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/8319/

      But articles like that (and some linked to at the bottom of it) really went down badly with the leftist feminists. I actually ended up getting banned - which is just as well as I didn’t waste anymore time on their stupid forum.

    29. bananabrain — on 29th March, 2010 at 12:24 pm  

      On ACPO’s ridiculous and abominable campaign, the law says the past sexual history and “behaviour” cannot be brought into a rape or sexual violence case but here you have the Chief Police Officers of the country telling the potential victims that somehow it might be your fault if you got raped. Now that’s reassuring isn’t it?

      yet apparently, the past foreign policy history and “behaviour” *can* be brought into a terrorism or incitement to violence case but here you have the leftie idiots of the country telling the potential victims that somehow it might be your fault if you got blown up. now that’s ironic, isn’t it?

      b’shalom

      bananabrain

    30. Ravi Naik — on 29th March, 2010 at 6:31 pm  

      Rape victims aren’t raped because they have been drinking or because they are in an unlicenced taxi cab – they are raped because they are in the presence of a rapist and ‘In 85.7%

      Fortunately we live in a society where the Law does not allow rapists to get away with excuses other than their own actions. What is not clear to me is that prevention campaigns - like this sort of initiative - can be reduced to victim blaming and do not have the power to reduce the number of incidences even if - as you pointed out - only cover a minority of cases. Not sure where do we draw the line. I certainly think that there is a considerable number of teenagers and young adults who are naive, who think that bad things cannot happen to them, and as a consequence put themselves in very risky situations.

      I appreciate you commenting after what I said last time you commented on one of my posts. It was badly put to say the least.

      That’s very gracious of you to say that considering I wasn’t nice with you either. Let’s call it even. I genuinely appreciate your posts here in PP, and hope to see more of your contributions in this blog. I would hate to miss out on your posts because of my silly overreaction.

    31. earwicga — on 31st March, 2010 at 11:00 am  

      Not sure where do we draw the line. I certainly think that there is a considerable number of teenagers and young adults who are naive, who think that bad things cannot happen to them, and as a consequence put themselves in very risky situations.

      I think peer education is the only thing that works with teenagers and young adults. Teenagers simply don’t believe anything that older people say.

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