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  • Media helping the BNP/EDL once again

    by Sunny
    22nd March, 2010 at 4:46 am    

    I got this highlighted to me while travelling and thought it was worth flagging up. Expose the BNP points out what happened in Bolton and how the media help and aid fascists from the BNP and EDL:

    Video on the Bolton News website makes it clear, however, that the violence was not coming from the anti-fascists. It shows an elderly veteran of World War 2 who had joined the protest, and UAF stewards can be heard urging protestors to stay calm in the face of apparent police efforts to provoke a riot.

    The Bolton News had a reporter in Victoria Square who described on Twitter how EDL members had broken away from the square to cause violence: “Number of demonstrators intent on causing disorder have broken away from protest site. Large numbers of officers deployed to address.” The journalist saw “missiles flying” as the EDL tried to get out of its enclosure.

    The BBC also lets the English Defence League people describe themselves as “a peaceful, non-political group” — which is of course pure rubbish. But this isn’t challenged at all. In the interests of “balance”, UAF spokespeople were not quoted.
    Read the full report here

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    1. cjcjc — on 22nd March, 2010 at 7:59 am  

      I’m not quite sure that report precisely helps your “peaceful UAF” case!

    2. douglas clark — on 22nd March, 2010 at 8:37 am  

      You have been away for a while. I’d have thought, correct me if I am wrong, that Rumbold’s post here:

      said all ‘we’ had to say about the issue?

      Assuming you are not into ‘Street Violence’ just for the sake of it?

      It is as obvious as you like that the EDL would like to ‘take the streets’ or summat. It is also as obvious as you like that their numbers preclude them taking over a paving stone.

      They are a joke….

      They are not worth you breaking your holiday to comment on.

      Least, that’s what I think.

    3. Trofim — on 22nd March, 2010 at 8:45 am  

      Why would “the media” give an inaccurate account of what happened? I can think of a number of reasons which fall into two general categories:

      (1) the media are naive and don’t understand the real nature of things and thus inadvertently aid the EDL

      (2) the media deliberately give an inaccurate account of things for their own ends.

      It’s important to investigate further which one it might be. I always seem to detect a faint whiff of conspiracy in Sunny’s outpourings.

      The question also arises: is The Bolton News part of the media?

    4. Dalbir — on 22nd March, 2010 at 8:51 am  

      Don’t discount the nefarious actions of closet whiteists .

      There are loads of them ‘Up North’ apparently.

    5. steve — on 22nd March, 2010 at 8:57 am  

      might also be worth looking at louis ‘son of martin’ amis’s article on the EDL in standpoint (which publishes a lot of fairly famous people) in which amis seemed to stand side by side with them as ‘anti-extremists’.

      really worrying.

    6. douglas clark — on 22nd March, 2010 at 9:02 am  

      Dalbir @ 4 and ad nauseum

      You really wanna, wanna fight, don’t ya?

      Well fuck you. I am not in the least bit interested in fighting you.

      I am not interested in your exceptionalism either.

      You strike me as Mr Stupid.

      Now piss off…

    7. Trofim — on 22nd March, 2010 at 9:17 am  

      dalbir @ 4

      Could you tell us what you understand by “up north”? “up north” is a deictic term, that is, it’s meaning depends on the location of the speaker. Would you be speaking from Dorset? London? Helsinki? Johannesburg? Efficient communication requires clarity.

    8. Dalbir — on 22nd March, 2010 at 9:42 am  

      Doug@6. If you’re the real one?

      Highlighting whiteism in action is no big sin (I thought I’d explained that this doesn’t involve all white people but only those who wish to play on their skin colour as some sort of privilege status - hence ‘whiteism’). Fact is that these people are the ones who subtly and overtly support BNP/EDL type thinking. British institutions are frequently riddled with such people, who are the hidden faces behind the institutional racism we hear of. I’m not surprised that this occurs anymore, if you’re a committed leftist and this is your attitude to the issue, says it all.

      Also, anyone would have to have their heads buried in the sand to deny that the BNP ‘strongholds’ are up North. I have family there also, they tell me open racism is a norm in many Northern towns. Maybe they are telling porky pies huh?

      And no, I don’t ‘really wanna fight’.

      Trofim, like you don’t know what I mean by ‘Up North’, stop the act.

    9. Abu Faris — on 22nd March, 2010 at 11:24 am  

      Well, “up North” to me might mean Alexandria… but that, of course, is Lower Egypt. I suppose then it’s sort of up and down all at the same time… and not.

    10. Dalbir — on 22nd March, 2010 at 11:41 am  

      Okay, okay….

      Forgive my Londoncentrism.

    11. douglas clark — on 22nd March, 2010 at 1:13 pm  

      Dalbir @ 8,

      Yup, That really was me. The mods seem to have taken my wannabe down. Hurrah!

      You cannot expect folk like me to just lie down to your idea that ‘whiteism’ is a a commonly held illness or summat.

      You are the one that is always offended, always under attack, just because.

      It doesn’t stand up.

      No, dalbir.

      It doesn’t.

      No matter how often you claim to be a victim, I shall say you aren’t.

      I may come around to the opinion that you want to be a representative of some minority group. It is at that point I would see you as a sucking on the teat of humanity.

      I have said, yonks ago, that I would stuff leaflets through doors in order to try to get Sunny Hundal elected to the House of Commons.

      I know he is a flawed human being, but he is a bloody sight better than most PPC’s.

      What he and I have in common is a huge bullshit meter, something you completely lack. I suspect the tool you carry around is a grievance meter, which extends to 11.

    12. Dalbir — on 22nd March, 2010 at 5:13 pm  

      Thing is Doug, I think that ‘whiteism’ thing is one of a number of evils we have to face up to. This isn’t anything to do with personal grievance but an understanding of something that has always been out there but never fully grasped. (I’ve come to see it as analogous to casteism within the Sikh community, something undeniably there but with very few people admitting to it.) So no, I don’t believe that ‘whiteism’ is some minor force at play. It manifests itself in the media, in workplaces, academia etc. etc. It tries to adapt to attempts to attack it.

      Even the nature of this thread reveals one aspect of it, in my opinion.

      I don’t want to represent any community myself either by the way. But I will call out what I see despite what you may think.

      You need to grasp the difference between our positions is probably one where I see more of this whiteist stuff around than you. I don’t think you doubt it exists but it is only the level at which it exists and operates we disagree on.

    13. MaidMarian — on 22nd March, 2010 at 5:29 pm  

      Dalbir - out of interest, can you name these northern towns? Having just come back from a nice weekend away watching Latics do the double over Burnley I would be very interested to hear where you have in mind. I realise that when I tell you that I have never seen anything wrong you will tell me I am pure ‘BNP/EDL’ scum/racist/evil/hate-filled/denier yada yada yada, but I would be interested to know where you have in mind with what appears to be a statement that everyone who is white in that town is racist or deserves to be suspected of racism on your family’s fiat.

      So would my foreign wife.

      You say, ‘Fact is that these people are the ones who subtly and overtly support BNP/EDL type thinking. British institutions are frequently riddled with such people, who are the hidden faces behind the institutional racism we hear of.’

      What a lovely smear that is. I don’t suppose for one moment it has crossed your mind that some people who are white can not like minority people on the merits rather than out of the racism you attribute to - well just about anyone really.

    14. Dalbir — on 22nd March, 2010 at 7:06 pm  

      I don’t suppose for one moment it has crossed your mind that some people who are white can not like minority people on the merits rather than out of the racism you attribute to – well just about anyone really.

      Of course they can, a hell of a lot of them do the other type as well. What is your point? I’m taking about subtle racism on a forum like this and you’re like…..”no….no….no!”

      White people need to open their eyes up to the more subtle forms as well as the overt, yobbish type we can all see. You only seem concerned about the latter, it seems and seem unsure about the existence or prevalence of the former?

      Anyway, I thought I made my position clear previously, please see post #10 in the thread linked to below to familiarise yourself with my thoughts on the matter. Why you all have to get so defensive when negativity coming from white quarters is mentioned is a mystery to me? I’m not saying every last white person is up to it, for Gawd’s sake

    15. MaidMarian — on 22nd March, 2010 at 7:13 pm  

      Dalbir - Very nice.

      Can you please name the Northern towns that you alluded to earlier as being hot-beds of racism?

    16. Dalbir — on 22nd March, 2010 at 7:40 pm  

      Places like Blackburn, Oldham (obviously), Burnley.

      You don’t really give a fack about all this anyway do you?

      This is all fun and political games isn’t it?

    17. MaidMarian — on 22nd March, 2010 at 10:55 pm  

      Dalbir - ‘You don’t really give a fack about all this anyway do you?

      This is all fun and political games isn’t it?’

      There you go again telling people what they think. I don’t suppose that there is any hope of you thinking something, anything, of people that is not the worst.

      I was actually curious what towns you meant because of your earlier startling assertion about north v south. Oldham, where parts of my family lived has a problem more of segregated living rather than strong, high levels of BNP support. Their support there is wide, but thin. I don’t really know Blackburn, but I know Burnley and you (or, it would seem, your family) are talking cobblers on that.

      Since I moved to the South the strongest levels of support I have seen have been in Broxbourne, not far from me. I am not sure why - certainly there are few immigrants in that part of the world.

      And Dalbir, I care strongly. I care though for personal reasons, not because I feel the need to flaunt a chip on my shoulder. You accuse me of a disregard for, ‘subtle racism.’ You sunbeam would not know subtlety if it ran up and kicked you in the crotch.

      I’ll just sit back and let you call me scum now. I just still can’t believe that you summoned the gall to accuse me of being defensive.

    18. Dalbir — on 23rd March, 2010 at 11:45 am  

      There is a problem though. We could argue that the focus on the overt kind of racism is going too far and the other type doesn’t get it’s share of attention.

      People who genuinely care for a more fairer society can’t carry on like this.

      From what I can see, people seem to be dealing with the overt BNP/EDL type of thing reasonably well. It is almost as if this negates the need to address the other type? Maybe it is because the other type is so deeply ingrained and difficult to counter that makes people shirk at the task? How much longer will this go on?

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