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		<title>By: Ravi Naik</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7780#comment-195423</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravi Naik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 22:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be a pity if Mr Taylor became the martyr for the atheist cause. It is one thing to criticise religion and organised religion, another is to maliciously put fliers in a place of worship. 

I say malicious because the fliers attribute the worst of human behaviour - terrorism, paedophilia to religion. As well as mock people&#039;s faith (like the pig and the koran).

So I agree with Rumbold that the guy should receive a fine and/or a warning. There is no need for blasphemy laws as it creates a dangerous precedent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be a pity if Mr Taylor became the martyr for the atheist cause. It is one thing to criticise religion and organised religion, another is to maliciously put fliers in a place of worship. </p>
<p>I say malicious because the fliers attribute the worst of human behaviour &#8211; terrorism, paedophilia to religion. As well as mock people&#8217;s faith (like the pig and the koran).</p>
<p>So I agree with Rumbold that the guy should receive a fine and/or a warning. There is no need for blasphemy laws as it creates a dangerous precedent.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the alarm and distress that some Christians cause me by sending me leaflets that suggest I am heading to hell for not believing their nonsense?&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

Since you don&#039;t believe it, how can it alarm you? &quot;

Believers have a long history of trying to help those they believe are bound for hell get there earlier than they otherwise would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the alarm and distress that some Christians cause me by sending me leaflets that suggest I am heading to hell for not believing their nonsense?&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;</p>
<p>Since you don&#039;t believe it, how can it alarm you? &quot;</p>
<p>Believers have a long history of trying to help those they believe are bound for hell get there earlier than they otherwise would.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, a multifaith room is for faiths, by definition, not for lacks of faith. Mr Taylor has been ill-mannered- though no more ill-mannered than people who go round telling everyone else that god loves them and they&#039;ll be tortured for ever if they don&#039;t believe it. The least unreasonable way of dealing with it would be a small fine for littering and a reminder that courtesy is a virtue.
oh, and opening an unfaith room might help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, a multifaith room is for faiths, by definition, not for lacks of faith. Mr Taylor has been ill-mannered- though no more ill-mannered than people who go round telling everyone else that god loves them and they&#8217;ll be tortured for ever if they don&#8217;t believe it. The least unreasonable way of dealing with it would be a small fine for littering and a reminder that courtesy is a virtue.<br />
oh, and opening an unfaith room might help.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7780#comment-195417</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MaidMarian

&lt;i&gt;It is another form of dumbing down.

Yes it bloomin&#039; is....&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MaidMarian</p>
<p><i>It is another form of dumbing down.</p>
<p>Yes it bloomin&#8217; is&#8230;.</i></p>
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		<title>By: MaidMarian</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7780#comment-195416</link>
		<dc:creator>MaidMarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asquith - Right.  But that does show up a further problem to my mind.

In the media and elsewhere it seems that the only way to get any attention is to be shrill, strident or to pull stunts.  Whatever the rights and wrongs of it, Taylor is entirely of a piece with how &#039;politics&#039; is practiced today.

It is another form of dumbing down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asquith &#8211; Right.  But that does show up a further problem to my mind.</p>
<p>In the media and elsewhere it seems that the only way to get any attention is to be shrill, strident or to pull stunts.  Whatever the rights and wrongs of it, Taylor is entirely of a piece with how &#8216;politics&#8217; is practiced today.</p>
<p>It is another form of dumbing down.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently Nicky Lees was offended, insulted, affronted &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; alarmed.

Ain&#039;t she precious?  

BTW, I&#039;m told that the motto of John Lennon Airport baggage handlers is &#039;Imagine no possessions.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently Nicky Lees was offended, insulted, affronted <i>and</i> alarmed.</p>
<p>Ain&#8217;t she precious?  </p>
<p>BTW, I&#8217;m told that the motto of John Lennon Airport baggage handlers is &#8216;Imagine no possessions.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: asquith</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7780#comment-195414</link>
		<dc:creator>asquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, it&#039;s only people who are willing to cause outrage who will get things done. I defend the right of these cartoonists to lampoon Islam, for example.

I do not behave in that way, especially in real life, but I value the contributions of people like him &amp; of people like Richard Dawkins who are more forthright than me in their words. In fact, I often think that in practice thy get more than me achieved.

http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2010/02/what-can-the-atheist-movement-learn-from-the-gay-movement.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, it&#8217;s only people who are willing to cause outrage who will get things done. I defend the right of these cartoonists to lampoon Islam, for example.</p>
<p>I do not behave in that way, especially in real life, but I value the contributions of people like him &amp; of people like Richard Dawkins who are more forthright than me in their words. In fact, I often think that in practice thy get more than me achieved.</p>
<p><a href="http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2010/02/what-can-the-atheist-movement-learn-from-the-gay-movement.html" rel="nofollow">http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2010/02/what-can-the-atheist-movement-learn-from-the-gay-movement.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about that Shatterface. Abusive racist now deleted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about that Shatterface. Abusive racist now deleted.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, this was my take on it all from a Christian perspective:-

&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2010/03/03/philosophy-tutor-and-atheist-harry-taylor-in-court-for-leaving-anti-religious-cartoons-in-john-lennon-airport/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Philosophy tutor and atheist Harry Taylor in court for leaving anti-religious cartoons in John Lennon airport&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, this was my take on it all from a Christian perspective:-</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2010/03/03/philosophy-tutor-and-atheist-harry-taylor-in-court-for-leaving-anti-religious-cartoons-in-john-lennon-airport/" rel="nofollow">Philosophy tutor and atheist Harry Taylor in court for leaving anti-religious cartoons in John Lennon airport</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shatterface</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7780#comment-195405</link>
		<dc:creator>Shatterface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Since you don&#039;t believe it, how can it alarm you?&#039;

It&#039;s not distressing because we think we&#039;ll go to hell, it&#039;s distressing because it shows there are people out there who WANT us to suffer. 

If I shoved a leaflet through your door saying I hope you get cancer you don&#039;t need to believe you&#039;ll get cancer as a consequence of my hopes to find that distressing. 

It is hate literature by any definition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Since you don&#8217;t believe it, how can it alarm you?&#8217;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not distressing because we think we&#8217;ll go to hell, it&#8217;s distressing because it shows there are people out there who WANT us to suffer. </p>
<p>If I shoved a leaflet through your door saying I hope you get cancer you don&#8217;t need to believe you&#8217;ll get cancer as a consequence of my hopes to find that distressing. </p>
<p>It is hate literature by any definition.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7780#comment-195403</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yakoub,

Of course it offends me. I have an inalienable right to be offended. Apparently.

Or are you trying to say that the sensitivities of the religious are more important than my atheism. What a wonderfully messed up world we live in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yakoub,</p>
<p>Of course it offends me. I have an inalienable right to be offended. Apparently.</p>
<p>Or are you trying to say that the sensitivities of the religious are more important than my atheism. What a wonderfully messed up world we live in.</p>
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		<title>By: Yakoub</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7780#comment-195400</link>
		<dc:creator>Yakoub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the alarm and distress that some Christians cause me by sending me leaflets that suggest I am heading to hell for not believing their nonsense?&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

Since you don&#039;t believe it, how can it alarm you? It doesn&#039;t, of course, and we all know that. By contrast, people enter multifaith areas to contemplate life and pray expect to do so without having their faith lampooned. That seems like a reasonable request, and I think that those who refuse to offer this small degree of respect need to be told firmly enough and no more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the alarm and distress that some Christians cause me by sending me leaflets that suggest I am heading to hell for not believing their nonsense?&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;</p>
<p>Since you don&#039;t believe it, how can it alarm you? It doesn&#039;t, of course, and we all know that. By contrast, people enter multifaith areas to contemplate life and pray expect to do so without having their faith lampooned. That seems like a reasonable request, and I think that those who refuse to offer this small degree of respect need to be told firmly enough and no more.</p>
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		<title>By: Shatterface</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7780#comment-195399</link>
		<dc:creator>Shatterface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, this is Liverpool *John Lennon* Airport we are talking about here:

&#039;Imagine there&#039;s no Heaven
It&#039;s easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

&#039;Imagine there&#039;s no countries
It isn&#039;t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, this is Liverpool *John Lennon* Airport we are talking about here:</p>
<p>&#8216;Imagine there&#8217;s no Heaven<br />
It&#8217;s easy if you try<br />
No hell below us<br />
Above us only sky<br />
Imagine all the people<br />
Living for today</p>
<p>&#8216;Imagine there&#8217;s no countries<br />
It isn&#8217;t hard to do<br />
Nothing to kill or die for<br />
And no religion too<br />
Imagine all the people<br />
Living life in peace&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Shatterface</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7780#comment-195397</link>
		<dc:creator>Shatterface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;On the same basis can I mention the alarm and distress that some Christians cause me by sending me leaflets that suggest I am heading to hell for not believing their nonsense? Shouldnâ€™t they be prosecuted too?&#039;

As a nervous flier, I&#039;m distressed by the sight of a room set aside for people to say their prayers before boarding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;On the same basis can I mention the alarm and distress that some Christians cause me by sending me leaflets that suggest I am heading to hell for not believing their nonsense? Shouldnâ€™t they be prosecuted too?&#8217;</p>
<p>As a nervous flier, I&#8217;m distressed by the sight of a room set aside for people to say their prayers before boarding.</p>
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		<title>By: Shatterface</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7780#comment-195396</link>
		<dc:creator>Shatterface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;God is a concept,
By which we can measure,
Our pain,
I&#039;ll say it again,
God is a concept,
By which we can measure,
Our pain,
I don&#039;t believe in magic,
I don&#039;t believe in I-ching,
I don&#039;t believe in bible,
I don&#039;t believe in tarot,
I don&#039;t believe in Hitler,
I don&#039;t believe in Jesus,
I don&#039;t believe in Kennedy,
I don&#039;t believe in Buddha,
I don&#039;t believe in mantra,
I don&#039;t believe in Gita,
I don&#039;t believe in yoga,
I don&#039;t believe in kings,
I don&#039;t believe in Elvis,
I don&#039;t believe in Zimmerman,
I don&#039;t believe in Beatles,
I just believe in me,
Yoko and me,
And that&#039;s reality.
The dream is over,
What can I say?
The dream is over,
Yesterday,
I was dreamweaver,
But now I&#039;m reborn,
I was the walrus,
But now I&#039;m John,
And so dear friends,
You just have to carry on,
The dream is over.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;God is a concept,<br />
By which we can measure,<br />
Our pain,<br />
I&#8217;ll say it again,<br />
God is a concept,<br />
By which we can measure,<br />
Our pain,<br />
I don&#8217;t believe in magic,<br />
I don&#8217;t believe in I-ching,<br />
I don&#8217;t believe in bible,<br />
I don&#8217;t believe in tarot,<br />
I don&#8217;t believe in Hitler,<br />
I don&#8217;t believe in Jesus,<br />
I don&#8217;t believe in Kennedy,<br />
I don&#8217;t believe in Buddha,<br />
I don&#8217;t believe in mantra,<br />
I don&#8217;t believe in Gita,<br />
I don&#8217;t believe in yoga,<br />
I don&#8217;t believe in kings,<br />
I don&#8217;t believe in Elvis,<br />
I don&#8217;t believe in Zimmerman,<br />
I don&#8217;t believe in Beatles,<br />
I just believe in me,<br />
Yoko and me,<br />
And that&#8217;s reality.<br />
The dream is over,<br />
What can I say?<br />
The dream is over,<br />
Yesterday,<br />
I was dreamweaver,<br />
But now I&#8217;m reborn,<br />
I was the walrus,<br />
But now I&#8217;m John,<br />
And so dear friends,<br />
You just have to carry on,<br />
The dream is over.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: MaidMarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaidMarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odd one this.  My instinct is to agree with everyone else that this is a fine and a, &#039;please stay off our property,&#039; job - not a criminal thing.  Having said that...

Our friend the lyrical terrorist was a case where I thought that there was a case for a criminal prosecution, though I could not quite reconcile why in my head.  I know that these two cases are not at all the same, but the Taylor case does leave a very bad taste in the mouth.

What this man did was pretty gratuitous by any standard and looking at the link he does not really seem to understand that point.  I&#039;d just feel a bit more comfortable about going into bat for this bloke if he gave some feeling that he understands that this is not a nice thing to be doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odd one this.  My instinct is to agree with everyone else that this is a fine and a, &#8216;please stay off our property,&#8217; job &#8211; not a criminal thing.  Having said that&#8230;</p>
<p>Our friend the lyrical terrorist was a case where I thought that there was a case for a criminal prosecution, though I could not quite reconcile why in my head.  I know that these two cases are not at all the same, but the Taylor case does leave a very bad taste in the mouth.</p>
<p>What this man did was pretty gratuitous by any standard and looking at the link he does not really seem to understand that point.  I&#8217;d just feel a bit more comfortable about going into bat for this bloke if he gave some feeling that he understands that this is not a nice thing to be doing.</p>
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		<title>By: cjcjc</title>
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		<dc:creator>cjcjc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 13:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul - your question answers itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul &#8211; your question answers itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Moloney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Moloney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 12:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just stunned that this happened in the UK. His literature was no more offensive then most fundamentalist religious tracts. Why is he being prosecuted for this, while those who imported and taught using Saudi school textbooks which refer to Jews as pigs were never even cautioned for example?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just stunned that this happened in the UK. His literature was no more offensive then most fundamentalist religious tracts. Why is he being prosecuted for this, while those who imported and taught using Saudi school textbooks which refer to Jews as pigs were never even cautioned for example?</p>
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		<title>By: Kenan Malik</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7780#comment-205033</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenan Malik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 12:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @pickledpolitics Guilty of offending sensibilities: http://bit.ly/apmvOY&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @pickledpolitics Guilty of offending sensibilities: <a href="http://bit.ly/apmvOY" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/apmvOY</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Bill Corr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Corr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 11:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the poem which roused Mary Whitehouse and her gang to fury:

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6519.html/

Actually, it occurs to me that if Harry Taylor is a devotee of iconoclastic iconography, he might consider a fundraising poster with the 9-year-old Aisha, the Prophet Mohammed, Mary Mother of God and Ganesh in a hot foursome.

There! Something to offend [almost] everyone!</description>
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<p>Actually, it occurs to me that if Harry Taylor is a devotee of iconoclastic iconography, he might consider a fundraising poster with the 9-year-old Aisha, the Prophet Mohammed, Mary Mother of God and Ganesh in a hot foursome.</p>
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