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  • Another blast in India


    by Al-Hack
    9th September, 2006 at 5:29 pm    

    A bomb went off in the Maharashtrian city of Malegaon in India yesterday, killing around 38 and injuring 200 or so. Being a mostly Muslim area, attention has fallen on the extremist group Bajrang Dal, affiliated to the right-wing Hindu oufit Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP). Police say there were four blasts. Despite a history of communal riots, tensions have not spilt into inter-religious violence.


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    1. Vikrant — on 9th September, 2006 at 6:35 pm  

      “We suspect that RDX, that was being transported by suspected Lashkar-e-Taiba members near Aurangabad, a portion of which was seized in May, has still not been fully seized. It cannot be ruled out that some of that may have been used yesterday,”, an ATS official said.

      Classic Al-Hack…. Both the articles you link say that Lashkar-e-Toibha hand is suspected, yet your article does not reflect that. Hindutva groups though despicable they are, have no history nor the resources for commiting such acts.

      A segment of Muslim population in Malegaon is highly radicalised. This may police seized large quatities of RDX. If you are asking me… LeT and their cohorts were calculating on communal riots to spill all over the state.

    2. Vikrant — on 9th September, 2006 at 6:39 pm  

      the earlier blasts that Times of India quotes were mere firecrackers…. RDX was used in the blasts yesterday. Only jehadi groups have access to RDX thru Pakistan. Unless Indian Army itself gave BD the explosives, i cant quite fathom how they may have got the explosives.

    3. Vikrant — on 9th September, 2006 at 6:43 pm  

      http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1971430.cms
      http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1971545.cms

      Al Hack a case of selective reading perpahps… While i dont discount Bajramg Dal angle, my moneys on the LeT and SIMIans.

    4. Al Hack — on 9th September, 2006 at 6:56 pm  

      I forget - Hindutva followers only have a preference for burning people alive, hacking them to death or raping Muslim women - apparently in retaliation for centuries of oppression.

      I’m unclear why it makes more sense for LeT to blow up Muslims near a Mosque than Hindus to start a communal riot.

    5. Vikrant — on 9th September, 2006 at 7:12 pm  

      I’m unclear why it makes more sense for LeT to blow up Muslims near a Mosque than Hindus to start a communal riot.

      First let this get straight

      10:

      Hindus != Hindutvadis

      GoTo 10

      Hindutva movement is on the wane. Triggering a communal riots actually plays into the hands of jehadis. Gujarat managed to increase the Indian Muslims in LeT rolls.

      VHP is as much an Hindu group as Al Qaida is a Muslim group or Babbar Khalsa a Sikh group.

      I forget - Hindutva followers only have a preference for burning people alive, hacking them to death or raping Muslim women -

      Uhnlike jehadis (who prefer to disfugure women i must add), Hindutvadis dont have luxury of 72 virigin in “heaven”. ;)

    6. Vikrant — on 9th September, 2006 at 7:15 pm  

      I’m unclear why it makes more sense for LeT to blow up Muslims near a Mosque than Hindus to start a communal riot.

      Moreover why would Hindutvadis care to trigger a communal situation when Muslims present them with golden opportunitites like 7/11 from time to time.

    7. Al Hack — on 9th September, 2006 at 8:18 pm  

      Haven’t answered my question. Why is LeT more likely to blow up fellow Muslims thanks Hindus to trigger a riot?

    8. Al Hack — on 9th September, 2006 at 8:21 pm  

      *than

    9. Vikrant — on 9th September, 2006 at 8:41 pm  

      Well

      1. It will destablise India
      2. It will increase antagonism between Hindus and Muslims.

      3. I will increase the process of radicalisation of Indian Muslims.

      4. The isolation of Muslims from mainstream increases.

      5. LeT gets loads of dissaffected new recruits.

      Do you really think Indian Muslism suppot LeT? LeT and its chums have no scruples in killing Muslims when it serves their cause.

    10. Vikrant — on 9th September, 2006 at 8:43 pm  

      Moreover LeT bastards were caught in Malegaon this May with 5 Kgs of RDX.

    11. raz — on 9th September, 2006 at 8:51 pm  

      LOL at Vikrant trying to blame Pakistan for this atrocity. Even if a cow dies of old age in India, someone will find a way to blame Pakistan :)

    12. Vikrant — on 9th September, 2006 at 8:57 pm  

      lol Raz, geez you’ve accepted the Pakistani connection of Lashkar-e-Toiba! As far your govt. is concerned they dont operate from Pakistan do they?

    13. Vikrant — on 9th September, 2006 at 9:00 pm  

      LOL at Vikrant trying to blame Pakistan for this atrocity.

      I’m no trying to blame. I am blaming. Given Pakistan’s history of interference in India’s communal problems (1993 blasts anyone?).

    14. Vikrant — on 9th September, 2006 at 9:02 pm  

      btw guys.. do froiigve for tpyos… shit this keyboard msut be Made in Pakistan.

    15. raz — on 9th September, 2006 at 9:04 pm  

      Er, no, look at your post no.2 where you specifcally mentioned Pakistan, like a typical brainwashed Indian conspiracy theorist :) Seems like the Hinduvata indoctrination hasn’t yet worn off in you :)

    16. Vikrant — on 9th September, 2006 at 9:08 pm  

      Only jehadi groups have access to RDX thru Pakistan.

      Its not Hindutva propoganda playboy, but a fact. How you suppose where the terrorists get their RDX from…. You dont just simply buy RDX on greymarket, onsovereign goverments can.

    17. mirax — on 9th September, 2006 at 9:23 pm  

      >>You dont just simply buy RDX on greymarket, onsovereign goverments can.

      Is this really true? Isn’t it a bit of dumb of the Pakistani government to be supplying RDX as alleged and won’t it be really easy for the Indian government to build its case against Pakistan and take it to say, the ICJ?

      Anyway, damn all the bastards who blow up innocents.

    18. Raul — on 9th September, 2006 at 10:04 pm  

      Hindu groups in India are not known for causing bomb blasts. Groups like Bajrang dal,VHP represent the most backward and primitive thinking and are full of geriatric sex starved losers obsessed with their own perceptions of the world, and given to the despotic need to decide how others should live their lives.

      But they have not yet taken the leap to wilfully bombing people to make their point. Without a single bombing incident to their credit I would not make the connection as easily as the poster did.

      Let’s not be naive about this, Dawood Ibrahim, the main acussed in the 1993 Mumbai blasts is in Pakistan, The Indian Airlines plane hijacking suspects are in Pakistan. Pakistan is really being reckless by breeding these extremists because at somepoint they will lose control and these people will ruin Pakistan society. At some point the 2 countries will have to settle things but with jihadists with independent agendas and out of control this would be meaningless. On the India side I’m sure they too are not averse to stirring up trouble in Pakistan. Bombing civilians is really pointless. Malegaon is not a particularly prosperous area and this is just unnecessary. Both India and Pakistan should stop harbouring self important global pretensions and acting big with nuclear weapons and stuff and do something urgently about the appalling lives the majority of their people live everyday.

    19. Al Hack — on 9th September, 2006 at 10:17 pm  

      Still doesn’t answer the question Vikrant. LeT can achieve all that and have more chance of riots if they set off bombs in a Hindu locality.

      “why would Hindutvadis care to trigger a communal situation”

      Mean like the 1992 Ayodhya rath yatra by Advani and the riots in 2002. Oh no, Hindutvadis are never known for stoking up hatred.

      The RDX link is speculation. The police also made lots of assumptions about the bombs used in the Mumbai trains before it turned out to be ordinary material.

    20. raz — on 9th September, 2006 at 10:22 pm  

      India is constantly making absurd accusations against Pakistan, but is has yet to provide any credible evidence to back up this talk. Talk about the boy who cried wolf. It seems to me most of these claims are for domestic consumption only, in order to divert attention from India’s abject failure to confront its own internal demons.

    21. Chris Stiles — on 9th September, 2006 at 10:31 pm  


      Mean like the 1992 Ayodhya rath yatra by Advani and the riots in 2002. Oh no, Hindutvadis are never known for stoking up hatred.

      So why haven’t they done so already? They could use the blasts a few weeks ago as ample justificaton.


      India is constantly making absurd accusations against Pakistan, but is has yet to provide any credible evidence to back up this talk.

      Al-Hack is making absurd accusations in this thread with no credible evidence to back up his tale.

    22. raz — on 9th September, 2006 at 10:48 pm  

      Al-Hack is not comparable to the Indian government.

    23. Al Hack — on 9th September, 2006 at 10:48 pm  

      What absurd accusation have I made?

    24. Raul — on 9th September, 2006 at 11:00 pm  

      The latest update is its not RDX,

      The first theory is because the first blasts in Mumbai didn’t result in the hindu-muslims riots as intended this is another attempt towards the same result. The suspect would be LET.

      The second is because first class compartments were targeted in the mumbai blasts mosty used by Gujarati jewellers and Malegoan was linked to this, rightwing hindu’s did this as an act of revenge.

      The vultures like Sonia Gandhi and other busybodies have already landed in this small impoverished town with few medical facilities to mouth the usual cliches and make empty gestures. Nevermind their presence and the tremendous VIP security and facilities they demand distracts the administration for the main task of relief and investigation.

    25. calculator — on 10th September, 2006 at 1:38 am  

      didnt take long for the finger pointing to start!!!!

      Malegaon blasts: Muslims hold anti-Pak demo

      AHMEDABAD: Members of Muslim community on Saturday held an anti-Pakistan demonstration at Kalupu locality of the city to protest yesterday’s blasts in Malegaon town of Maharashtra, in which 38 people were killed and 189 injured.

      Several members of the minority community came out on the streets and shouted anti-Pakistan slogans, denouncing yesterday’s multiple blasts in which several members of the minority community were killed. They also urged people to maintain peace.

      One of the demonstrators, Rauf Bengali said, “We Muslims can see a larger picture behind the blasts that happened in Malegaon yesterday. We strongly believe it to be a handiwork of Pakistan’s ISI.”

      “First, in order to create a rift between Muslims and Hindus, elements connected with Pakistan’s ISI bombed temples like at Varanasi and now they are exploding bombs around mosques and graveyards,” he said.

      “We urge the Hindus and Muslims to stand united against such terrorist activities, directed to create communal tensions between the two communities,” Bengali added.

      http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1051925

    26. Vikrant — on 10th September, 2006 at 7:05 am  

      Firstly i’ll giveup all the pretensions of political correctness.

      Which absurd accusations raz?

      Pakistan HAS been training and arming jehadis who fight against India. Where do u suppose the jehadis get their training, arms and explosives? It is another thing that current Indian government doesnt have balls to confront Pakistan.

      Well back in 1999 Indian govt. released Omar Sheikh and Masood Azar in exchange for a plane load of hostages. Where did they end up? In Pakistan. Omar went on to murder Dan Pearl and Masood Azhar went on to form Jaish-e-Mohammed. Just last month LeT Shahbuddin was put under house arrest in Lahore… boy boy… only a “house arrest” for mass murder. All the roads lead to Pakistan raz, just ask the 7/7 MI5 investigators.

      Pakistan’s meek surender to Taliban in Waziristan is just another proof of its complicity. This isnt mere paranoia raz, it is based on past history of Pakistan in stoking terrorism in India.

      Lastly the “absurd accusations statement” is bit rich, seeing that Pakistani government is doing same about India, vis-a-vis Balochistan.

      Is this really true? Isn’t it a bit of dumb of the Pakistani government to be supplying RDX as alleged and won’t it be really easy for the Indian government to build its case against Pakistan and take it to say, the ICJ?

      Mirax, currently Indian govt. is made up of ball less dingbats who are hostage to communists and their Muslim votebanks. Indians have short memories when it comes to terrorist atrocities. Beyond minimum effort required to retain Kashmir, Doing anything to actually stop terror doesnt translate into electoral gains for the govt. infact it will eat into the governments Muslim vote banks.

    27. Vikrant — on 10th September, 2006 at 7:06 am  

      So why haven’t they done so already? They could use the blasts a few weeks ago as ample justificaton.

      Exactly my point.

    28. raz — on 10th September, 2006 at 11:36 am  

      India will never progress as a nation until it gives up its fanatical obsession with Pakistan. The Arab view of Israel seems moderate compared with the ridiculous paranoia that exists within exvery strata of Indian society, from the common man right up to the prime minister. It’s easy to blame others for your mistakes, it’s much harder to self-reflect.

      Here’s another perfect example of this Indian mentality:

      http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/12759.asp

      ISI TO INFECT INDIA WITH AIDS!!!!!!!!!!

      For God’s sake, is there any calamity that India cannot blame Pakistan for?! It’s not suprising that with attitudes like this, India has become the most AIDS infested country in the world. When will India grow up?!

    29. Neil — on 10th September, 2006 at 12:00 pm  

      Actually raz that’s not quite true. Compared to the mid east situation, the Kashmir crisis is moderate and well-balanced. How can the arab view be moderate when the PM of “Palestine” calls for the destruction of Israel? When have India and pakistan even refused to recognise each other?

      India has progressed as a nation and will continue to do so for one simple reason - they desire economic prosperity more than war. Its a shame pakistan is in a shambolic state, it is because off all the policys created since partition that pakistan are in the state they find themselves. Musharaff has had to put the Jehadi machine that was full steam ahead in pakistan, into reverse, and it hasnt started to reverse yet, he can’t even reach the brakes.

    30. Neil — on 10th September, 2006 at 12:07 pm  

      I see some tough new anti-terror legislation going to be put in place by the Indian goverment….i mean it is a trend isnt it, with the Patriot act after 9-11, the Glorification of terrorism act in Britain, similar moves in spain etc…india being a democracy will follow suit. The only thing India have said regarding the bombings is that it wasn’t planned “locally”. Now as the worlds media slowly takes a interest in S Asia where ind v pak have been blaming EACH OTHER for years, their not about to stop are they?

      I don’t think you can blame Hinduvata groups for these bombings, thats a terrible thing to say. India want to play the proxy war card against pakistan, bush wont let them slap 100% blame on them. Pakistan funds terrorists, terrorists bomb India. Iran funds terrorists, terrorists bomb Israel.

    31. Katy Newton — on 10th September, 2006 at 12:30 pm  

      And so we watch with a sense of crushing inevitability as yet another potentially interesting and enlightening thread drifts off the point and back towards the Middle East. Again.

    32. Neil — on 10th September, 2006 at 12:41 pm  

      How did i know you were going to stick your nose in Katy. I hate it when people just come in to complain, say something constructive.

    33. Kismet Hardy — on 10th September, 2006 at 12:57 pm  

      Yes Katy, try and be English for once and adopt the mustn’t grumble mentality. Can’t you see a serious, unique discussion regarding ‘How Muslims are Terrorists and Jews are Terrorised Because they Deserve it All the While as Hindus sit back and Eat Biscuits’ is taking place? Shame on you.

      If you want to moan and groan, come to my bedroom

    34. wisher — on 10th September, 2006 at 1:46 pm  

      Hinduvata groups are not capable of this eh?

      How hard do you think it is to make a crude device? If the likes of Copeland could do it I can’t see why the Hinduvata groups can’t. Ok so it’s not in their past style and? Maybe they found a new avenue that allows them to cause greater damage with less suspicion.

      Typical of the apologists of such movements to blame Pakistan.

      “Oh my daal is off” ISI must have it’s hand in that…..

      lol@raz nice link about the AIDS thing I’m sure Vikrant must have supplied the information.

    35. raz — on 10th September, 2006 at 1:51 pm  

      Thanks wisher :)

    36. Sunny — on 10th September, 2006 at 2:05 pm  

      Actually Bajrang Dal has been implicated in blasts before. Apparently a recent one in Nanded. So the idea that Hindu fanatics won’t blow up people is naive. Lest we forget these are the same people who went on a rampage across Gujarat for months killing, burning and looting Muslim houses and businesses.

      Any implication that they’re right wing but not as crazy as Muslim fanatics is laughable.

      I also agree with Al-Hack on that it would make more sense for a Muslim terrorist to blow up a Hindu locality because it’ll have more chances of a backlash.

      The Muslim protests against Pakistan are interesting (but shouldn’t be that surprising). I’m more encouraged by the fact that all the local and national imams coordinated their efforts to make sure this did not spill over into a communal riot. There is some hope yet for the rest of us.

    37. Katy — on 10th September, 2006 at 2:14 pm  

      I had no idea that I had developed a habit of sticking my nose in where it wasn’t wanted, Neil - I thought I was just pointing out that the thread was going off topic - but thank you so much for alerting me to it. And so politely and maturely too. I will certainly take your advice and stay out of this thread from now on. Thanks again. Really.

    38. Jagdeep — on 10th September, 2006 at 2:15 pm  

      Raz, I agree that Indians are too ready to blame Pakistan, but I have to say, that I dont think Pakistanis are the slightest bit more mature, or less paranoid, or pathetic in their caricatures and obsessions with India, than Indians can be with Pakistan. I am reminded of what Borges said at the time of the Falklands war about Britain and Argentina - two bald men fighting over a comb. Or more plainly, a sure example of two kettles calling each other black.

    39. Neil — on 10th September, 2006 at 2:36 pm  

      I didn’t mean it like that katy, please do join in the discussion. All i meant was that the thread wasn’t going off topic but simply raised some counter-points

    40. Chairwoman — on 10th September, 2006 at 2:37 pm  

      Kismet Hardy - I’ve been trying to be English for 61 years, run the whole gamut from singing Rule Britania to keeping a stiff upper lip (avoiding, however, any contact with jellied eels), but as you know, I’ve failed dismally.

      So from now on, I will attempt to be as foreign as possible. If you can’t join ‘em, beat ‘em

    41. Katy — on 10th September, 2006 at 2:45 pm  

      To be honest, I don’t know enough about the background of India/Pakistan to join in!

    42. Neil — on 10th September, 2006 at 2:48 pm  

      Well if you want to know anything just ask me, i’ll try to be as neutral as I can.

    43. Chairwoman — on 10th September, 2006 at 3:04 pm  

      Here’s a quick run down. Various ethnic/political/religious groups within a socio-geographic area want their religion/philosophy to dominate. To achieve these ends, at diverse times, one group tries to kill as many of the other group(s) as they can get away with.

      It’s called the human condition, and it happens all over the world

    44. Neil — on 10th September, 2006 at 3:09 pm  

      thats very generic, chairwoman, but i dont think that is what is going on in S Asia

    45. Neil — on 10th September, 2006 at 3:16 pm  

      Let’s say for example, from the defintion in #43, the main problem looks like the killing of people (regardless of the side they are on) ‘Side’ here is another issue all toegther. People dont actually choose sides, they get pushed to one of them (but lets talk about killing first) So if the killing stops, does that mean the issues are resolved? Not necessiraly, their will still be suffering, justice may not have been served, people feel at a loss, they realise that generations of rhetoric took a turn for the worse and a so called “historic oppurtunity” for peace shall not be missed again. ok its great that killing has stopped but that’s just for the politicains to parade in their speeches. Mass killings may stop, but not all.

    46. Sunny — on 10th September, 2006 at 3:17 pm  

      I think chairwoman got it in one.

      If you can’t join ‘em, beat ‘em
      With a big stick preferably.

    47. Chairwoman — on 10th September, 2006 at 3:57 pm  

      Neil - The world over, ‘sides’ kill other ‘sides’ to achieve ‘advantage’ for their ‘side’.

      If they are successful, then their side ‘wins’ regardless of the cost in wrecked (and of course, lost) lives. The other side ‘loses’. The ‘victorious’ side lays down the agenda for ‘peace’. Discontent amongst the ‘losers’ continues. ‘Community leaders’ (don’t you all love that phrase) whip up their ‘supporters’. The killing starts again.

      Yes, this is what is happening in South East Asia, in the Middles East, in the former Soviet Union, in Africa, and probably in some places I’ve left out.

      Until the ‘sides’ sit down and actually hammer out agreements where each makes genuine concessions, where everyone comes away with losses as well as gains, the vicious circles will continue.

      And the only winners will be the arms dealers/plane manufacturers/general army suppliers, and of course their sponsors and shareholders.

    48. Sajn — on 10th September, 2006 at 4:14 pm  

      Surprisingly I find myself agreeing with Jagdeep for once.

    49. BollywoodScum — on 10th September, 2006 at 4:52 pm  

      Interesting that no one has mentioned the Maoists.

      A recent raid in Andhra Pradesh uncovered several hundred homemade rockets. The ‘red corridor’ is now said to extend across 30% of rural india (including parts of Maharashtra) according to CNN-IBN.

      http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1051896

      The have also got a stated aim of targetting religious shrines. Admittedly this branch of the left, much like their counterparts in the west, have concentrated on attacking non-Muslim places of worship in their general on-your-siiiiiiiide-ism with the Oppressed Muslims of the international proletariat, but its not entirely impossible (although possibly suicidal) that they could be aiming big by aiming for consistency in their ongoing struggle against the forces of superstition and backwardness. After all, you think China, the homeland of their ideological leader, is hospitable to Islam?

      PS: Al-Hack’s comment: “Why is LeT more likely to blow up fellow Muslims thanks Hindus to trigger a riot? ”
      Tricky is’t it, why would Muslims blow up shrines in Iraq and Pakistan?
      And what about the 200 simultaneous exlplosions in Bangladesh a couple of months back?

    50. foxy-ullah — on 10th September, 2006 at 5:00 pm  

      Vic, Al-Hack,

      Common guys can’t we put our differences aside and be civil? To quote my fav Bollywood song

      Yeh gam ki raatain, raatain yeh kaali
      Inko banade eid aur diwali

      Amar Akbar Anthony - Shirdi Wale Sai Baba (1977)

    51. BollywoodScum — on 10th September, 2006 at 5:26 pm  

      Foxy Ullah is one of the bestest names for a poster *evah*.

      Remember kids:
      Dead anjaweed don’t rape

    52. BollywoodScum — on 10th September, 2006 at 5:43 pm  

      I meant Janjaweed

    53. Sahil — on 10th September, 2006 at 6:47 pm  

      “Neil - The world over, ’sides’ kill other ’sides’ to achieve ‘advantage’ for their ’side’.

      If they are successful, then their side ‘wins’ regardless of the cost in wrecked (and of course, lost) lives. The other side ‘loses’. The ‘victorious’ side lays down the agenda for ‘peace’. Discontent amongst the ‘losers’ continues. ‘Community leaders’ (don’t you all love that phrase) whip up their ’supporters’. The killing starts again.

      Yes, this is what is happening in South East Asia, in the Middles East, in the former Soviet Union, in Africa, and probably in some places I’ve left out.

      Until the ’sides’ sit down and actually hammer out agreements where each makes genuine concessions, where everyone comes away with losses as well as gains, the vicious circles will continue.

      And the only winners will be the arms dealers/plane manufacturers/general army suppliers, and of course their sponsors and shareholders.”

      It seems so obvious, and most people would prefer things in this manner, why doesn;t it matter. I’m thinking about Arrow’s Impossibility theorem:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow%27s_impossibility_theorem

      So we’re all fucked =), lets have a drink!

    54. rh mayo — on 10th September, 2006 at 6:50 pm  

      On Raz post that Indians are obsessed with Pakistan is a stretch. Pakistan is the neighbourhood version of the viscerally annoying kid on the block that keeps demanding attention. If a miracle occured where Pakistan is not a neighbour, then Indians would pay no more attention to Pakistan or Pakistanis then the interest shown in India to Mongolia today. Unfortunately geography did’nt do us that favor.

    55. Sunny — on 10th September, 2006 at 7:59 pm  

      India and Pakistan are like a separated husband and wife living in the same house who use any excuse to have a go at each other and secretly plot to kill each other and re-marry someone else.

      By this I mean the political leaders. The people, the kids, are caught in the middle of the shouting matches.

    56. sunray — on 10th September, 2006 at 10:25 pm  

      yet another typical biased pickled politics article against Hindus.
      The news item is great but the content is biased as already pointed out.

      I dont see why anyone finds it so hard to believe that muslims would rather blow up their own knowing how volatile they can get. They been doing it in Iraq and Pakistan and are blowing people up even as we speak. it seems to be their trade mark.

      Its easier to blow up muslims and get sympathies from around the world then blow up Hindus where muslims get no sympathies.
      Has any bombs been used by Hindus against muslims recently. I dont know so am asking.

    57. विक्रान्त Vikrant — on 11th September, 2006 at 9:38 am  

      Sunny,

      the “bombs” you mention in Nanded and Paithan were mere firecracker “sutli” bombs hurled by Hindutva thugs. Timers AND RDX were used in Malegaon…

    58. raz — on 11th September, 2006 at 5:50 pm  

      Seems like the Hinduvatas got bored of attacking Muslims, now they are after Christians as well:

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5335626.stm

      Disgraceful. Hinduvata is the greatest threat India has ever faced. I give all moderate Indians my full support in their battle against the Hindu facists who are attempting to drag India down into the dark ages.

    59. विक्रान्त Vikrant — on 11th September, 2006 at 7:39 pm  

      raz, one thing dont post a story about which you dont understand.

      BBC has misconstrued the story. The “Hindu facists” (read parents) have every right to worry when their daughters are being unknowingly baptised and exposed to evangelists at school. It is sad that BJP and its thuggish chums have used the issue to scorepolitical points but that doesnt absolve the evangelists of blame… Google “rice Christians”.

      Agressive and self-righteous Christian evangelist activity has sown seeds of social discord in India. Millions of dollars are poured into India from Redneck America for conversion activities. Anti-Evangelism is only platform which has united Hindu,Sikh and Muslim fundus in India. (see http://christianaggression.org/ : dont read too much into their deluded rants, yet their is a grain of truth in their shrill cacophany)

    60. विक्रान्त Vikrant — on 11th September, 2006 at 7:44 pm  

      Moreover raz, we Indians are well capable of defeding our country from facists. No need for your fake concern. Given that half the Pakistan is already in dark ages with likes of MMA in power.

    61. sunray — on 11th September, 2006 at 9:31 pm  

      They are not Christians.
      They are parasites of the worst kind.
      These so called Christian do not know the meaning of The Good Samaritan.
      They have little understanding Christ’s teachings.
      They have no interest in Jesus or doing good to the poor.
      They are the silent terrorist who converts the vulnerable for power, selfishness and political end.
      These Christians are the real Fundamentalist and Activist and Evil of India.

      Not all Christians are Fundamentalist or terrorist.
      Most of them are really good. It’s a few bad apple.
      Hindus are given a bad name in the world when such Activists are fought.

    62. sunray — on 11th September, 2006 at 9:33 pm  

      Its funny when Muslims started converting Christians openly in the UK, the Muslims were called terrorist. Remember!!

      But it seems the world is blind to the Christians who are doing the same in India to the Hindus.

      Im not surprised that the BBC gives India a bad press.

    63. विक्रान्त Vikrant — on 11th September, 2006 at 9:36 pm  

      BBC == Biased Broadcasting Corporation

      no wonder Sunny believes in BBC!

    64. Sunny — on 11th September, 2006 at 10:37 pm  

      Will you two ever stop whining?

      And Vikrant - your name in Hindi comes up as - Vakrirant, if I’m reading it correctly.

    65. Katy Newton — on 11th September, 2006 at 10:58 pm  

      Perhaps Vakrirant is Vik’s real name.

    66. विक्रान्त Vikrant — on 12th September, 2006 at 5:34 am  

      Is it? Though my devnagri spelling isnt upto mark, i pretty sure it read Vikrant. Maybe your browser renders it the wring way!

      @Katy: Though i was born Vikrant Singh, my “real” (legal) name is Amey Chaugule. Vikrant translates as “Victor” in Sandkrit while “Amey” translates as “Unfathomable” in Sanskritised Marathi.

    67. Katy Newton — on 13th September, 2006 at 12:09 am  

      “Unfathomable”. That is a great name to have :-)

    68. Sunny — on 13th September, 2006 at 1:58 am  

      Vik - I can’t do hindi on here, but I’m pretty sure. Your initial “short ee” should be over Va, not Ka. And plus you don’t need the Ra because it’s already underneath the Ka. And the Na should be half, going into Ta. Have someone else check it.

    69. विक्रान्त Vikrant — on 13th September, 2006 at 1:18 pm  

      Well i checked it out, WinXP doesnt reder Devnagri correctly. That “ee” thingy is actually over Va. and those “lil dash thingys” below Ka and Na arent “Ra” but they actually sinigfy Ka is cojoined with Ra and Na is cojoined with following Ta. Well thats how ma cousin sez.

    70. विक्रान्त Vikrant — on 13th September, 2006 at 1:20 pm  

      Or do they have different Devnagri spelling conventions in different parts…

    71. Sunny — on 13th September, 2006 at 2:22 pm  

      Oh I see. Ok makes sense now… Well at least we know WinXP does not render Devnagri properly, so you might as well stop using it now :P

    72. विक्रान्त Vikrant — on 13th September, 2006 at 2:53 pm  

      does it bother you soo much?

    73. Shankar — on 14th September, 2006 at 12:00 pm  

      “India will never progress as a nation until it gives up its fanatical obsession with Pakistan…. “

      Oh predictable raz. India is a secular democracy where the constitution gives its people freedom of religion. What is Pakistan? A dictatorship theocracy. There are undoubtly problems and clashes from radical forces, but we will manage, thank you very much. Your posts are almost always anti-India rants and I guess it has to do with envy. As India is associated to IT and the new economic miracle, and Pakistan… well, starts with T. And you had it coming given the cozy relationship you had islamist forces, not to mention the only government in the world who had warm relations with the Taliban. So don’t give us lessons, predictable raz.

    74. Kismet Hardy — on 14th September, 2006 at 12:02 pm  

      What a lovely poem. ‘Oh predictable Raz’ Write me a poem Shankar (are you related to Ravi or Ananda because you’re really poetic). I liked your poem

    75. sonia — on 16th September, 2006 at 9:33 pm  

      55- sunny that’s a brilliant metaphor.

      and kashmir’s their ‘kid’ and what a custody battle.. it seems both sides only keep up the fight to make sure the other side doesn’t get the upper hand.

      hey maybe we can suggest the ‘pledge bank’ idea to them - they both pledge to leave kashmir alone - ‘if the other does as well’ ..

    76. sonia — on 16th September, 2006 at 9:37 pm  

      all this india vs. pakistan slagging off that goes on this thread ( and elsewhere!) only shows the commonality of indians and pakistanis.

      :-)

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