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	<title>Comments on: Five reasons not to axe the BBC Asian Network</title>
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		<title>By: Mani</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7673#comment-195932</link>
		<dc:creator>Mani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 03:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the asian network was a total waste of money - it only aimed for a very select group of asians within a select area. 

it was the young single &quot;hip&quot; londoners and that was it. 

for anyone outside that area it was like listening to a london station in london for london by london. 

to be honest they should at least offer it to a commercial arm to see if they&#039;re willing to take up the mantel. clubasia was a much better channel than asian network ever was. the dj&#039;s on the bbc payroll were incredibly irritating. sonia deol is the only one with credibilty intact. 

alot of the local stations around the UK do a much better job of serving the community - the channel neglected anyone aged 30 and over who wasnt into the bhangra/asian &quot;nu music&quot; scene. 

what really hit it the most was the digital only thing. if in a few years it was done then it&#039;d have more chance. dab still isnt widely popular - sets are cheapest around Â£30 but for a long time it was the Â£70+ mark. 

i&#039;m sure the top performers within the channel will be snapped up by others but it was a mediocre channel at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the asian network was a total waste of money &#8211; it only aimed for a very select group of asians within a select area. </p>
<p>it was the young single &#8220;hip&#8221; londoners and that was it. </p>
<p>for anyone outside that area it was like listening to a london station in london for london by london. </p>
<p>to be honest they should at least offer it to a commercial arm to see if they&#8217;re willing to take up the mantel. clubasia was a much better channel than asian network ever was. the dj&#8217;s on the bbc payroll were incredibly irritating. sonia deol is the only one with credibilty intact. </p>
<p>alot of the local stations around the UK do a much better job of serving the community &#8211; the channel neglected anyone aged 30 and over who wasnt into the bhangra/asian &#8220;nu music&#8221; scene. </p>
<p>what really hit it the most was the digital only thing. if in a few years it was done then it&#8217;d have more chance. dab still isnt widely popular &#8211; sets are cheapest around Â£30 but for a long time it was the Â£70+ mark. </p>
<p>i&#8217;m sure the top performers within the channel will be snapped up by others but it was a mediocre channel at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaz</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7673#comment-195269</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 03:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radio 3 offers alot more value for money in terms of &#039;listeners to cost&#039; ratio. 

The BBC spunking 12 million on this is a disgrace. And they aren&#039;t going to abandon it, jus relegate it to local radio on AM, for major asian cities like Birmingham and London.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radio 3 offers alot more value for money in terms of &#8216;listeners to cost&#8217; ratio. </p>
<p>The BBC spunking 12 million on this is a disgrace. And they aren&#8217;t going to abandon it, jus relegate it to local radio on AM, for major asian cities like Birmingham and London.</p>
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		<title>By: princeofthieves</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7673#comment-195227</link>
		<dc:creator>princeofthieves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>theres black staff behind the scenes at the asian network. and er they play asian music which you dont have to be asian to like or enjoy. your rationale is ridiculous. i dont like classical all that much but i still pay for radio 3. part of the license fee is that you have to pay for stuff you might not listen to or watch alongside everything else. its not complicated logic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>theres black staff behind the scenes at the asian network. and er they play asian music which you dont have to be asian to like or enjoy. your rationale is ridiculous. i dont like classical all that much but i still pay for radio 3. part of the license fee is that you have to pay for stuff you might not listen to or watch alongside everything else. its not complicated logic.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramiie</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7673#comment-195183</link>
		<dc:creator>Ramiie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always felt that the BBC Asian Network  represents a total waste of my licence fee. As A black man I cannoty understand WHY the BBC feels it needs to  fund - from my  money- a  NATIONAL station dedicated to just one minority ethnic group. I totally understand the rationale behind 1Xtra, being a black MUSIC station ( and fittingly there are Asian DJs and producers on this, but  interestingly no Black producerts/DJs on the Asian Network), and 1Xtra does not caters exclusively for Black listeners. Asian Network doesnt work or represent value for money. What it represents is that ridiculous  white middle class cultural cringe towards the Asian lobby in that is already getting us into  much trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always felt that the BBC Asian Network  represents a total waste of my licence fee. As A black man I cannoty understand WHY the BBC feels it needs to  fund &#8211; from my  money- a  NATIONAL station dedicated to just one minority ethnic group. I totally understand the rationale behind 1Xtra, being a black MUSIC station ( and fittingly there are Asian DJs and producers on this, but  interestingly no Black producerts/DJs on the Asian Network), and 1Xtra does not caters exclusively for Black listeners. Asian Network doesnt work or represent value for money. What it represents is that ridiculous  white middle class cultural cringe towards the Asian lobby in that is already getting us into  much trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaz</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7673#comment-195164</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what is the 12 million spent on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what is the 12 million spent on?</p>
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		<title>By: Laban</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7673#comment-195117</link>
		<dc:creator>Laban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quite like the BBC Asian network - it&#039;s a lot less PC than most of the Beeb&#039;s programming, and I appreciate the India/Pakistan test coverage - in English.

But there are alternatives, though more music and less chat. XL Radio in Brum is very good and you can pick it up on AM as far south as the Cotswolds.

 http://www.radioxl.net/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quite like the BBC Asian network &#8211; it&#8217;s a lot less PC than most of the Beeb&#8217;s programming, and I appreciate the India/Pakistan test coverage &#8211; in English.</p>
<p>But there are alternatives, though more music and less chat. XL Radio in Brum is very good and you can pick it up on AM as far south as the Cotswolds.</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.radioxl.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.radioxl.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: princeofthieves</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7673#comment-195085</link>
		<dc:creator>princeofthieves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>asian music wont be incorporated into other stations. where will that happen? itll just be friction and nihal back on a graveyard slot on radio 1, and maybe one or 2 others but thats about it. asian network should really actually take this opp to improve their output and make the station less dispensible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>asian music wont be incorporated into other stations. where will that happen? itll just be friction and nihal back on a graveyard slot on radio 1, and maybe one or 2 others but thats about it. asian network should really actually take this opp to improve their output and make the station less dispensible.</p>
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		<title>By: persephone</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7673#comment-195044</link>
		<dc:creator>persephone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 09:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RAJAR (owned by BBC) collect radio listening statistics. They do a quarterly survey which is free to view - see this link: 
http://www.rajar.co.uk/listening/quarterly_listening.php   

On first glance from this link it appears there are less popular stations than the stations being axed 

RAJAR do collect more detailed data ie breakdown by demographics which may go towards indicating asian listeners if honing in on densely asian populated regions. But you need to be a paid subscriber to get this level of detail.

And RAJAR statistics give a &#039;picture&#039; since they are conducted by relying on listeners keeping a manual diary and stations such as Sunrise Radio have fallen foul of RADAR results which they (sunrise ) say are not reflective of their true (higher) figures</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RAJAR (owned by BBC) collect radio listening statistics. They do a quarterly survey which is free to view &#8211; see this link:<br />
<a href="http://www.rajar.co.uk/listening/quarterly_listening.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.rajar.co.uk/listening/quarterly_listening.php</a>   </p>
<p>On first glance from this link it appears there are less popular stations than the stations being axed </p>
<p>RAJAR do collect more detailed data ie breakdown by demographics which may go towards indicating asian listeners if honing in on densely asian populated regions. But you need to be a paid subscriber to get this level of detail.</p>
<p>And RAJAR statistics give a &#8216;picture&#8217; since they are conducted by relying on listeners keeping a manual diary and stations such as Sunrise Radio have fallen foul of RADAR results which they (sunrise ) say are not reflective of their true (higher) figures</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7673#comment-195029</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 01:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaz,

I&#039;d agree that, what, Â£4.00 out of a license fee of, what, Â£142.50 is significant. How is the rest of it broken down?

Just asking.

I&#039;d like to see the same cost-benefit analysis applied to BBC Alba.

I &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; tried to find this out, but it beat me.

Perhaps you can provide the facts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaz,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d agree that, what, Â£4.00 out of a license fee of, what, Â£142.50 is significant. How is the rest of it broken down?</p>
<p>Just asking.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see the same cost-benefit analysis applied to BBC Alba.</p>
<p>I <i>have</i> tried to find this out, but it beat me.</p>
<p>Perhaps you can provide the facts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jaz</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7673#comment-195028</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 01:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also unlikely the BBC won&#039;t completley abandon asian music, etc ... you can probably see a huge chunk of it probably being incoporated into other stations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also unlikely the BBC won&#8217;t completley abandon asian music, etc &#8230; you can probably see a huge chunk of it probably being incoporated into other stations.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaz</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7673#comment-195027</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 01:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^ Douglas, i believe it&#039;s because they spend 12 million, for 300,000 listners. Not great value for money.

But as one poster pointed out ... it does bring up the question about how they come up with these &#039;listening figures&#039;. 

In the past i know for tv they use BARBS, which targets a few thousand houses of different demographics, cultures, around the country. But there&#039;s never been any statistics show the diversity in the people selected. Smaller channels and stations are usually more vulnerable to low ratings with this system in place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^ Douglas, i believe it&#8217;s because they spend 12 million, for 300,000 listners. Not great value for money.</p>
<p>But as one poster pointed out &#8230; it does bring up the question about how they come up with these &#8216;listening figures&#8217;. </p>
<p>In the past i know for tv they use BARBS, which targets a few thousand houses of different demographics, cultures, around the country. But there&#8217;s never been any statistics show the diversity in the people selected. Smaller channels and stations are usually more vulnerable to low ratings with this system in place.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7673#comment-195023</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 23:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there not a point to be made about &#039;different strokes for different folks&#039;?

I find Radio 4 unbelievably dull and worthy. I can get BBC Alba - which is in Gaelic, yet another language I don&#039;t understand.

But as long as they have a place in supporting some facet of our culture it would be woe betide anyone to suggest they are shut down. I don&#039;t see why the Asian Network is being picked out for special treatment. It fulfils a similar function, does it not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there not a point to be made about &#8216;different strokes for different folks&#8217;?</p>
<p>I find Radio 4 unbelievably dull and worthy. I can get BBC Alba &#8211; which is in Gaelic, yet another language I don&#8217;t understand.</p>
<p>But as long as they have a place in supporting some facet of our culture it would be woe betide anyone to suggest they are shut down. I don&#8217;t see why the Asian Network is being picked out for special treatment. It fulfils a similar function, does it not?</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7673#comment-195021</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 23:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;does anyone have any numbers or know what evidence exists is about the audience/reach of BBC1, BBC2, Radio 4 and Radio 5 among British Asian households compared to the rest of the population?&lt;/i&gt;

Sunder: no I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever seen those figures though I do try and parse these kinds of stats fairly often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>does anyone have any numbers or know what evidence exists is about the audience/reach of BBC1, BBC2, Radio 4 and Radio 5 among British Asian households compared to the rest of the population?</i></p>
<p>Sunder: no I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever seen those figures though I do try and parse these kinds of stats fairly often.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaz</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7673#comment-195009</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do they spend that 12 million on ?!!?!?!


As we basically pay for it, is there a place i can go and see?

Seem&#039;s like such a waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do they spend that 12 million on ?!!?!?!</p>
<p>As we basically pay for it, is there a place i can go and see?</p>
<p>Seem&#8217;s like such a waste.</p>
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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7673#comment-195008</link>
		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BBC should fund the Sikh Channel. Then they wouldn&#039;t have to rely on &#039;Don&#039;t dealy claim today&#039; for all of their money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BBC should fund the Sikh Channel. Then they wouldn&#8217;t have to rely on &#8216;Don&#8217;t dealy claim today&#8217; for all of their money.</p>
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		<title>By: cjcjc</title>
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		<dc:creator>cjcjc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should there be a Chinese network?</description>
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		<title>By: Sunder Katwala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunder Katwala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the broad point about Asian licence feepayers, does anyone have any numbers or know what evidence exists is about the audience/reach of BBC1, BBC2, Radio 4 and Radio 5 among British Asian households compared to the rest of the population? 

And how does the reach/use of the Asian Network compare to British Asian consumption of other BBC outlets, and non-BBC outlets?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the broad point about Asian licence feepayers, does anyone have any numbers or know what evidence exists is about the audience/reach of BBC1, BBC2, Radio 4 and Radio 5 among British Asian households compared to the rest of the population? </p>
<p>And how does the reach/use of the Asian Network compare to British Asian consumption of other BBC outlets, and non-BBC outlets?</p>
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		<title>By: platinum786</title>
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		<dc:creator>platinum786</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will I directly benefit from the Â£12m saved from Asian Network, no... they&#039;ll probably use it to bomb some Muslims...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will I directly benefit from the Â£12m saved from Asian Network, no&#8230; they&#8217;ll probably use it to bomb some Muslims&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;4) It would abandon Asian license fee payers&quot; ?

I guess we should have a BBC Polish network,Somali network and Chinese networt too then.

The Asian Network was only ever representative of a small section of the UK Asian community anyway - those who enjoyed Bhangra, Bollywood and Adil Ray. 

It gave very little coverage to Mirpuris, Gujaratis, Bengalis and South Indians. I guess that has always been it&#039;s problem. You can&#039;t please and cater for everyone so why pretend that you do.

At Â£12m odd a year, good riddance I say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;4) It would abandon Asian license fee payers&#8221; ?</p>
<p>I guess we should have a BBC Polish network,Somali network and Chinese networt too then.</p>
<p>The Asian Network was only ever representative of a small section of the UK Asian community anyway &#8211; those who enjoyed Bhangra, Bollywood and Adil Ray. </p>
<p>It gave very little coverage to Mirpuris, Gujaratis, Bengalis and South Indians. I guess that has always been it&#8217;s problem. You can&#8217;t please and cater for everyone so why pretend that you do.</p>
<p>At Â£12m odd a year, good riddance I say.</p>
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		<title>By: platinum786</title>
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		<dc:creator>platinum786</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BBC3 can be closed down, if you move family guy to BBC1. Also as long as MOTD2 is shown on BBC1 you can close BBC2 down too. Top Gear would also need to be migrated. 

I would say ITV could also be closed down, but then we&#039;d be without X factor which everyone but me watches and more importantly without Champions League football. 

We can close down Channel 5, everyone has access to porn on the internet, why do we need Channel 5 anymore?!

Also get this, apparently there is a BBC4, why do we even need a 4th one when the two before it are surplus?!

Whilst on the topic, whats the BBC radio station which only has classical music on it? Nobody makes new classical music surely, why can&#039;t the oldies who listen to that just stick t Vynil or CD&#039;s or Cassettes etc? 

I don&#039;t even listen to Asian Network, i&#039;m only defending it because it&#039;s asian. Also because I do listen to it when in a car with a person with a rubbish music collection, that doesn&#039;t happen to often, i tend to drive myself around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBC3 can be closed down, if you move family guy to BBC1. Also as long as MOTD2 is shown on BBC1 you can close BBC2 down too. Top Gear would also need to be migrated. </p>
<p>I would say ITV could also be closed down, but then we&#8217;d be without X factor which everyone but me watches and more importantly without Champions League football. </p>
<p>We can close down Channel 5, everyone has access to porn on the internet, why do we need Channel 5 anymore?!</p>
<p>Also get this, apparently there is a BBC4, why do we even need a 4th one when the two before it are surplus?!</p>
<p>Whilst on the topic, whats the BBC radio station which only has classical music on it? Nobody makes new classical music surely, why can&#8217;t the oldies who listen to that just stick t Vynil or CD&#8217;s or Cassettes etc? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t even listen to Asian Network, i&#8217;m only defending it because it&#8217;s asian. Also because I do listen to it when in a car with a person with a rubbish music collection, that doesn&#8217;t happen to often, i tend to drive myself around.</p>
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