Tories show their nasty side again


by Sunny
23rd February, 2010 at 2:56 pm    

The Express Newspaper today has a front page headline claiming: ‘Labour says we are all racist’. Typically, the reasoning behind it is so obtuse that it would take ages to explain. Thankfully, Anton Vowl has done it. Read that blog post and you’ll see how wrong they are.

And the thing is – any person with a shred of intelligence can see the Express and Mail have been claiming conspiracy over nothing. And yet here is Chris Grayling’s statement on the issue:

The Government has simply not been telling the truth about its policies on immigration. More and more evidence is now emerging to show that they deliberately planned a big jump in immigration for their own political purposes.

Now they are trying to rewrite history to pretend those decisions never happened. Their conduct over all of this has been a complete disgrace.

It’s one thing for ministers to score partisan political points – it’s an entirely different matter for a shadow cabinet minister to endorse a lie and a conspiracy theory. The man is a nutjob.

PS – I also have an article on CIF today on How the Media helps the BNP. It is relevant to tonight’s event.


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  1. Morrigan — on 23rd February, 2010 at 3:18 pm  

    Why does this surprise anyone?

    It’s is a widely held view on the left that all white people are racist, as illustrated by Joseph Harker:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2002/jul/03/raceintheuk.comment

    He is still working at the Guardian and has not retracted.

    Why wouldn’t Labour use that ‘fact’ in planning their immigration policy?

  2. Sunny — on 23rd February, 2010 at 3:31 pm  

    It’s is a widely held view on the left that all white people are racist

    I love liars like you. At least it means I can ignore all your other comments.

  3. Morrigan — on 23rd February, 2010 at 3:34 pm  

    If it’s not true, why has the Guardian let the article stand for 8 years?

  4. Tory — on 23rd February, 2010 at 3:40 pm  

    ‘The Government has simply not been telling the truth about its policies on immigration.’

    True.

    - The reasons for it have never been fully explained. Not to me or not to anyone else reading this.
    - The people have never been allowed a say on it.
    - Strong evidence (House Lords report) that the economic beneifts are exaggerated or simply made up.

    “More and more evidence is now emerging to show that they deliberately planned a big jump in immigration for their own political purposes.”

    -Labour threw open Britain’s borders to mass immigration to help socially engineer a “truly multicultural” country, a former Government adviser admitted as much.

    Sunny, you can spend the next 6 months rambling about the BNP-BBC conspriracy, but things are still going to change anyway. The only thing you have left is faux accusations of racism, enjoy it until democracy kicks into action.

  5. Chris Williams — on 23rd February, 2010 at 3:42 pm  

    God I wish I’d studied political science to Merrigan’s level – then I’d be able to extrapolate the fixed and axiomatic core beliefs of ‘the Left’ from one article in the Guardian. That’s truly something – I’m impressed.

  6. Morrigan — on 23rd February, 2010 at 3:44 pm  

    CW/Sunny

    I’m sure you can link to an article by ANY left wing journalist that contradicts Harker or challenges his view.

    I look forward to reading it.

  7. Sunny — on 23rd February, 2010 at 3:48 pm  

    If it’s not true, why has the Guardian let the article stand for 8 years?

    He doesn’t say it, and it’s not something everyone believes.

    Now you can put the tin-foil hat back on.

  8. Morrigan — on 23rd February, 2010 at 3:52 pm  

    Sunny lol

    He doesn’t say it

    The clue is in the title of his article:

    Of course all white people are racist

    Let’s see a link to a piece- from ANY left wing media outlet- that takes him to task.

  9. Chris Williams — on 23rd February, 2010 at 4:22 pm  

    I’ve got one up the spout (it’s by Lynsey Hanley), but I’m petulantly refusing to post the URL here until you try and make a bit of sense regarding your mumbled half-accusation about the Euston Manifesto on the next thread along. My hoop first.

  10. dave bones — on 23rd February, 2010 at 5:01 pm  

    I just saw that front page in the shop half hour ago I laughed so much I was worrying people. Almost bought it as a souvenir.

  11. dave bones — on 23rd February, 2010 at 5:18 pm  

    Morrigan 1.

    Cheers for linking to that Joseph Harker piece that was another laugh. That is a joke. He says in the end

    “I can’t be racist, some of my best friends are white”

  12. Morrigan — on 23rd February, 2010 at 5:23 pm  

    Lol thanks for the tip Dave Jones, I must admit I’ve never made it that far down before the B.S. meter hit ‘critical’ ;)

  13. Chris Williams — on 23rd February, 2010 at 5:58 pm  

    But you’ve clambered through your hoop (though I doubt anyone will be impressed with what you landed in), so I will leap through mine:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/14/racism-labour

    Hanley, money quote: “The fact is that, for most families, racism has died out now that generations of people from different ethnic groups have grown up together. Many of us who once had bigoted relatives with a terror of miscegenation now have black and mixed-race family members. The minds of a majority have opened over time.”

    which rather neatly ‘challenges his view.’

    Next!

  14. MaidMarian — on 23rd February, 2010 at 9:52 pm  

    Sunny – this is just another manifestation of talkboard rhetoric over proper debate. That one Joseph Harker article now counts as, ‘evidence,’ speaks volumes about how the internet has debased public debate.

    It is fascinating how there is seen to be some great conspiracy at a time when Labour has been at historic lows in the polls.

    There has been a body of research literature since at least the 1970s (and I suspect much longer) on race and voting patterns. It is available in any university library and shows that race has a much lesser impact on voting patterns than other factors, most notably class.

    It may come as a shock to many, but government does not exist for the sole purpose of visiting misery personally on the likes of Morrigan – but then Morrigan believes that government exists to indulge his gripes and legislate for his prejudices.

    If Grayling has some evidence, let him show it. Otherwise a generalised, talkboard friendly assertion that there is a, ‘lie,’ is just the worst kind of dumbed down conservatism. There is a difference between opposition and rabble-rousing, Grayling seems to weak to understand that.

    What is worse is how this idea of, ‘they are lying,’ has replaced thought. I have to say Sunny, the left has not exactly been above this tactic – some of the, ‘they have lied on Iraq,’ has been so weak it has been pretty embarrassing.

  15. Sunny — on 24th February, 2010 at 2:05 am  

    MM – I know I know, what can I do though? We have trolls. If I delete them from banning they start crying and start posting on other blogs on how nasty that man sunny is and how he eats kids for breakfast etc.

    some of the, ‘they have lied on Iraq,’ has been so weak it has been pretty embarrassing.

    Oh come on now. Iraq WMD dossier ring a bell?

  16. Tory — on 24th February, 2010 at 2:13 am  

    “MM – I know I know, what can I do though? We have trolls. If I delete them from banning they start crying and start posting on other blogs on how nasty that man sunny is and how he eats kids for breakfast etc.”

    Bit like posting about being deleted from a facebook group?

  17. Sunny — on 24th February, 2010 at 3:55 am  

    I wasn’t trolling that. I merely posted contrary info. Here, people don’t get deleted for doing that either.

  18. A.C. — on 24th February, 2010 at 7:20 am  

    I did, and you know it you cheat.

    Cheats never prosper…

  19. Leon — on 24th February, 2010 at 11:19 am  

    Hey Sunny, how did the event go last night?

  20. DisgustedOfTunbridgeWells — on 24th February, 2010 at 11:39 am  

    PS – I also have an article on CIF today on How the Media helps the BNP. It is relevant to tonight’s event.

    Den den derrrrrrrr.

    The BBC Trust decided at its 15th April 2009 meeting to give the same coverage to UKIP as it would to the three main traditional parties (Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrats) because UKIP had done well in the 2004 EU elections [to an extent, because the bbc had legitimised them by having kilroy or farage on qt every week] even though by early 2009 it had dropped way back in popularity. However an analysis for the Jury Team by Taylor Nelson Sofres (TNS), the major market research agency, shows that this is not what happened. TNS analysed the total number of items broadcast on Radio 4, BBC1 and BBC2 over the election period 28th April to 6th June 2009. This shows that UKIP was featured 58 times whereas the Conservatives only had 50 and 45 mentions respectively and the Liberal Democrats less than half as much as UKIP with 28 mentions, a complete distortion of the BBC policy of equal treatment for these four parties.

    http://www.prweb.com/releases/BBC/EU-elections/prweb3629664.htm

  21. MaidMarian — on 24th February, 2010 at 6:59 pm  

    Sunny – apologies for the delay in getting back to you, as ever, thanks for the reply.

    I realise that you and many others will simply disagree, fair enough. Over Iraq, Blair did not lie. At least not in any meaningful sense of the word. There were no lies, no bad faith, no conspiracy. The dossier you refer to was evidence based, just not very good evidence.

    There was what I call a lawyer lie. A building of a case, a selection of evidence to the exclusion of others. The US senate called the US government, ‘collective group-think.’ This is, to my mind right.

    It may be common currency that there was a, ‘lie.’ But this is far, far too simplistic. There is much to criticise the government about over Iraq. There is no need for this dumbed down, playground chant of, ‘liar.’ Leaving aside that it is inaccurate it is not even the biggest fault of government over the issue. This lowest common denominator obscures the tougher questions and the bigger issues – the role of war, the lack of real accountability, the belief in disorder as a part of foreign policy, the balance to be struck over ethics. Lies are way, way down the pile – not least because there were none.

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