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  • Rod Liddle’s mates are crying; the long war has begun.

    by Sunny
    19th February, 2010 at 5:01 pm    

    The Media Guardian is reporting today that Rod Liddle is no longer running to be editor of the Indy. I wouldn’t start celebrating just as yet as it’s not been confirmed 100%.

    However I’m amused to see that Rod Liddle’s mate is wailing about it over at Guardian CIF. Aww diddums Tim Luckhurst - you probably missed out on some cushy commissions. That’s too bad eh?

    I’m not going to go over again the stupidity of an argument that says making yourself heard about the unsuitability of Rod Liddle being editor of the Indy - a newspaper I like and buy - is censorship. In fact the depth of that feeling was big enough that over 3000 people emailed Alexander Lebedev to make themselves heard, and we raised over £700 in 48 hours (target was only £500) to take out an ad against him. The money for the ad will now go to various women, immigrant and climate change charities (deliberately).

    That’s the great thing about living in a liberal democracy - people have the right to make themselves heard. And if enough of them do then media owners or corporations have to listen. It’s not censorship it’s called people power.

    What Tim Luckhurst is angrily railing against there is the destruction of the old order - where the media has become so incestuous that no one even dared to ask Liddle in the MSM whether he had posted those comments on the Millwall website. As soon as he railed against the “metropolitan elites” (as Luckhurst is doing now), all the wimpy lefties backed away. The last thing they want to be associated with is being metropolitan!

    The reason the left is so weak in this country is because they’re too scared of saying what they believe in, in case the Daily Mail or some other smug idiot calls them ‘metropolitan elite’. And now Luckhurst has invented “liberal bigotry” for people who disagree with what my mate has to say.

    There’s another point, that Anton Vowl makes very well here.

    Perhaps the reaction to Liddle’s possible appointment, the Facebook group, and all of that stuff, wasn’t a bunch of nasty liberal bastards bullying the Indy bigwigs into rejecting the stellar candidate. Maybe it really was the case that Liddle would have been a liability, and a business decision was taken, rather than a hysterical “hiding behind the settee because of those ghastly lefties and their supreme power” decision that we’re supposed to imagine has taken place, if you believe what some are saying.

    It’s important to bear this in mind because there’s a danger in all this that liberals inevitably end up getting painted as fascists by the kind of people who view them with nothing but contempt. Look at the censorship-happy liberals, they will say. First they tried to ban Jan Moir because she just spoke her mind - we didn’t, but thanks anyway - and now they’ve banned a brilliant genius from being the best Indy editor ever - we didn’t, but thanks anyway. The left only gets made to look powerful when it’s being wrongly blamed for clamping down on freedom. The narrative is a familiar one, though, one in which the hypocritical liberal-left fascist scum are the real anti-freedom people out there, and it’s only brave souls like Liddle who are battling for freedom and truth, and de dah de dah de dah, you get the general idea. We encounter it so often it’s wearying.

    Read the whole article - it also spot on. I’m sick of lefties standing by and doing nothing while insufferable idiots take over the establishment. It’s time to fight back. This was merely the first shot in what is going to be a long war. Luckily, there’s more of us.

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    1. Mike Small — on 19th February, 2010 at 5:08 pm  

      This is the best news in a long time, Im going to have a great weekend. Tim Nae Luckhurst is possibly the only man who’s a bigger **** than Rod Liddle

    2. Rich — on 19th February, 2010 at 5:11 pm  

      Hear, hear. And personally I’ve always wanted to be a member of the metropolitan elite.

    3. Paul — on 19th February, 2010 at 5:17 pm  

      Did Tim Luckhurst just say it was metropolitan liberals against Liddle.

      I’m pretty sure I’m neither of those things.

    4. Sunny — on 19th February, 2010 at 5:39 pm  

      Me too Mike ;)
      Rich - Rod Liddle and Tim Luckhurst say we are, so it must be true!

      Paul - are you sure? Did someone hack your account? Are you being impersonated?

    5. MaidMarian — on 19th February, 2010 at 5:43 pm  

      Well, possibly Sunny. Now for the but. With regard to the Indy, I was able to protest very easily at how it dumbed down from quality broadsheet to tabloid. I stopped buying it. The Indy is a pale shadow of the quality it once was.

      As to the media more generally and the ‘elite’ narrative, I think that the best response was the Max Gogarty/Guardian debacle. Give the public more credit Sunny, they know how dire the media is.

    6. rantersparadise — on 19th February, 2010 at 5:48 pm  

      Wow. Couldn’t have said this any better. About time the Left grew some balls!

      It makes me soo mad. They are just as bad in the US.

      Why when we fight back-we fight back with rational-we’re insane fascists but when they do-with irrational rubbish-they are men/women of the people? The layman. Salt of the blimming earth.

      How did the Right do this? How have they been able to twist so many concepts and ideas to turn it around that it’s soo bad to inherently care for people?

      I see both bad in right and left wing politics (blame party politics) but I am astounded by how it is soo wrong to want fairness and equality.

      Mind bogles.

    7. MaidMarian — on 19th February, 2010 at 6:00 pm  

      OK - Just read the Luckhurst article. He says,

      ‘His critics imagine that they know a purer truth. Not for them the Press Complaints Commission’s assertion that, in the publication of sincerely held opinion, freedom of expression must take precedence over distaste and even distress. Liddle has been trashed mercilessly for daring to advance arguments his enemies would ban.’

      That is a fundamental misunderstanding surely? The anti Liddle campaign IS free expression in action. If Liddle (and Moir) want to live by free expression, they can hardly complain when they are on the receiving end.

      The internet may have allowed it to become more visible and vitriolic sure. But the fact that Rod Liddle, like the Gogarty family, are journalists does not somehow exempt them from the criticism that is intrinsic in free expression. Twenty years ago, this would have provoked a handful of letters - no longer is that true in the internet age.

      There is no metropolitan elite identity in the anti-Liddle stuff, it is just a lot of people expressing their views.

      And given that Sunny probably doubles the Indy’s circulation when he buys it, the owners can hardly ignore the protests.

    8. Don — on 19th February, 2010 at 6:20 pm  

      I just don’t like Ron Liddle, and I haven’t been to that London these six years.

      But I’d quite like to be elite, if that’s an option.

    9. Tom Johnson — on 19th February, 2010 at 8:27 pm  

      Rod Liddle maybe a wind up merchant but what better group to wind up than the po faced tossers that read the Independent.

      Anyway contrasting his oeuvre with yours, there’s no contest: he, richly rewarded by influential newspapers mags and broadcasters. You, ‘obsessing’ on a blog, the occasional CiF and ‘a special friend of the programme’ on the odd phone in.

      You need to start earning a living mate!

      In case it escaped your attention the Independent is the most unpopular newspaper in the country, most of us don’t like what it has to say it doesn’t speak our language that’s why it’s going out of business followed in short order by the Observer and the Guardian - spot the pattern?

      The conceit of NL is to believe that they catalysed a soft left liberal society where the citizenry are more at ease with themselves - not true of course. Most of us have always been conservative and intolerant of ‘anything goes’ there’s really nothing about the Left that we like this is reflected in the newspapers that we read and don’t read.

    10. Kulvinder — on 19th February, 2010 at 9:37 pm  

      it’s going out of business followed in short order by the Observer and the Guardian – spot the pattern?

      Not really the daily mail is making a loss as is the times; infact all newspapers are doing badly, but with the guardian, indy etc not doing quite as badly (in % terms).

      Still the MSM business model is shot across the spectrum* and claiming that only the observer, guardian and indy are in trouble is completely wrong.

      *Well not quite

    11. Sunny — on 19th February, 2010 at 11:13 pm  

      You need to start earning a living mate!

      Awww, is this one of Rod Liddle’s mates too?

      I’m soooo glad these people have my earning capabilities in mind. Makes you feel all glowy inside.

      Would you like some goat curry?

    12. KB Player — on 20th February, 2010 at 12:07 am  

      I do wish Tim Luckhurst and his ilk would work out the difference between “rabid criticism” “campaigns” and “censorship”. They are quite different things. Sunny isn’t in the position to censor Rod Liddle, which requires power, legal or financial. He is in a position to start a campaign group on Facebook and snarl at him on blogs. Liddle’s fortress must have been made out of cardboard to cave in to that kind of attack.

    13. Benjamin — on 20th February, 2010 at 3:39 am  

      Liddle and his mates moaning about “fascism” and “bigotry” only prove themselves to be fools: where is the fascism in people raising doubts about the proposed editorship of paper? No one denied anyone freedom of speech, no one kicked in doors with hobnailed boots. All debate was welcome - from either side. And then a decision was taken.

      I cannot quite believe Liddle really thinks this is “fascism”. He may be surprised - its a blow to his inflated ego - he may be angry, but intellectually he must know that calling this fascism is simply wrong. I suspect he’s got so carried away by his own brand of hyperbole and condemnation that he can’t see the wood from the trees.

      As for the metropolitan elites. Well, Liddle has worked for the BBC, and works for the Times and Spectator, and is a regular TV talking head - all establishment activities in their own way. If he wants to portray himself as some sort of radical dissident, he can, and then we can all have a chuckle.

    14. kecks — on 20th February, 2010 at 1:11 pm  

      You,luckhurst,Liddle,Moir all inhabit the same semi -incestuous journalistic London circle.
      Your all metropolitan elites.
      And Hundal always seems to have his back up.

      ((( persecuted left liberals))

    15. Nyrone — on 20th February, 2010 at 2:35 pm  

      Well said Sunny..

      We really have to stand up for ourselves more, and not be so afraid to be blanket-judged and smeared by those that have made a career of doing little more than mud-slinging.

    16. lemontea — on 20th February, 2010 at 7:16 pm  

      I am amazed rod little was even a candidate for editor of the indy in the first place. He is a complete fruitcake and thinks he can spew hatred on anyone he pleases and then use freedom of speech card when there is outrage!

    17. lemontea — on 20th February, 2010 at 7:19 pm  

      How was rod little a candidate for editor of the indy in the first place? He is a complete fruitcake and thinks he can spew hatred on anyone he pleases and then use freedom of speech card when there is outrage!

    18. KJB — on 20th February, 2010 at 11:19 pm  

      Shorter media commentators:

      ‘If you like Censorship so much, why don’t you go live there?’

      Er… because of what KB Player pointed out at #12?

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