Did Channel 4 give an open platform to National Front activist?


by Sunny
17th February, 2010 at 3:35 pm    

On Friday Channel 4 aired a documentary titled: Young, Angry and White. The documentary said if offered insight into the political ideas of a disaffected young man, let down by the established political parties, who was considering joining the BNP.

“Young, Angry and White” showed the trained and experienced young racist Kieren in an extraordinarily positive light, allowing him unchallenged to insist on the “racial purity” of his girlfriend, accuse his friend of “genocide” because he had a black girlfriend and was therefore guilty of “racial mixing”, and to introduce his masked, far-right associates, who spoke about the “filth flooding through our streets” – non-white people.

But was he some angry Tory voter who wanted to go further and vote BNP? No, he was actually the national organiser for the youth wing of the extreme right National Front.

And yet the entire programme apparently missed out this teeny weeny fact. I’m going to watch it tonight to confirm this, and if true complain to Ofcom.

The National Front website in fact loudly proclaims that a documentary would feature him. In fact it adds:

He is looking for a home in the BNP but is unsure that it represents his views. Having been a fervent nationalist from the age of 15, he is concerned that the BNP is losing its radical edge and selling out its racial policies.

So in fact he thinks the BNP is too moderate, while it looks like the programme is inferring he is becoming extreme after rejecting mainstream politics. That’s the opposite of what happened.

I don’t have a problem with C4 featuring such nutjobs but why hide the person’s background? Why not point out he is part of the National Front?


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  1. MiriamBinder — on 17th February, 2010 at 3:51 pm  

    I would have thought that with all the furore following the BBC interview with the ‘two young BNPers’, Mark Collett and Joseph Barber, identified as Mark and Joey on Newsbeat they’d have taken that into consideration …

  2. Sunny — on 17th February, 2010 at 3:57 pm  

    exactly Miriam! amazing they didn’t even do some basic research.

  3. JamieSW — on 17th February, 2010 at 4:04 pm  

    Actually near the beginning of the program the narrator said something to the effect that Kieran used to be involved with the NF. So if he is in fact still involved with them today, that was an outright misrepresentation, rather than just a sin of ommission.

  4. tory — on 17th February, 2010 at 4:55 pm  

    Is this the same Channel 4 which gives hours of airtime to Islamists like Begg and communists like Galloway? Just asking.

  5. Sunny — on 17th February, 2010 at 6:08 pm  

    what a surprise – a tory who wants to censor views he doesn’t like.

  6. Don — on 17th February, 2010 at 6:10 pm  

    tory,

    So, this is balance in your view?

    The point is surely that the media have some vague idea that WWC concerns should be addressed and the only way they can think of doing it is getting an NF organiser to vent?

    You don’t think this is indicative of how some sections of the media view the WWC? As racist meat-heads, so just listen respectfully as some racist meat-head spouts and you have addressed those concerns.

    Or just sloppy research.

    Either way, shabby, very shabby.

  7. Don — on 17th February, 2010 at 6:33 pm  

    Can I suggest a ‘comment deleted’ notification where that happens?

    I think it is important for us to know if people have been banned or deleted. We used to discuss that stuff.

  8. Sunny — on 17th February, 2010 at 6:46 pm  

    Don – its too much hassle to edit each comment and say its been deleted. Trolls get deleted – that’s always been policy from day one…

  9. Rumbold — on 17th February, 2010 at 7:09 pm  

    One counter argument would be that C4 didn’t feel the need to challenge such clearly repulsive views- they speak for themselves. But that is a bit weak. The documentary maker should have questioned his assertions, even if not done in an aggressive way.

  10. Tory — on 17th February, 2010 at 7:27 pm  

    “what a surprise – a tory who wants to censor views he doesn’t like.”

    Oh no, there is almost nothing I would censor. I just wish I watched the aforementioned programme so I could be offended. Also, C4 doesn’t tell its viewers that ‘human rights activists’ like Begg would subjugate the entire world to Taliban rule. The news these days is generally shabby anyway.

  11. Sunny — on 17th February, 2010 at 7:37 pm  

    ‘human rights activists’ like Begg would subjugate the entire world to Taliban rule

    You let us know where he’s said that post-Gitmo because all I see is people ranting rather than actually turning up something inconvenient called ‘evidence’.

  12. Tom Johnson — on 17th February, 2010 at 8:17 pm  

    You’ve not seen the thing but choose to comment based on the account of someone else. The chronology was clear and honest: it showed his views to be more ‘extreme’ than would be satisfied by the BNP thus his trip to the NF. The point was not to challenge his views but to paint a picture of the type of character attracted to nationalist politics.

    Anyway he struck me as a reasonably intelligent kid working out the meaning of his life, certainly less harmful than the Jihadi ‘Britons’ certain that the answer is to plant bombs in subways or take liquid onto planes eh?

    It’s time you addressed the real threats to my security not the straw men of the right, that is clearly an obsession, the BNP rarely, if ever, demo let alone engage in acts of terror.

  13. Ravi Naik — on 17th February, 2010 at 8:42 pm  

    “Anyway he struck me as a reasonably intelligent kid working out the meaning of his life, certainly less harmful

    I think most non-whites, specially those that lived through the 70s would have a different opinion than you. And I certainly think that after C18, we could at least agree that extremism and violence really puts us all in danger.

  14. Ravi Naik — on 17th February, 2010 at 8:52 pm  

    ” take liquid onto planes eh? It’s time you addressed the real threats to my security”

    One of my favourite sites is FiveThirtyEight, where they crunch numbers to give a perspective on politics. Here they calculated the chances of being victim of an airborne attack:

    “Assuming an average airborne speed of 425 miles per hour, these airplanes were aloft for a total of 163,331,261 hours. Therefore, there has been one terrorist incident per 27,221,877 hours airborne. This can also be expressed as one incident per 1,134,245 days airborne, or one incident per 3,105 years airborne.

    ” Therefore, the odds of being on given departure which is the subject of a terrorist incident have been 1 in 10,408,947 over the past decade. By contrast, the odds of being struck by lightning in a given year are about 1 in 500,000. This means that you could board 20 flights per year and still be less likely to be the subject of an attempted terrorist attack than to be struck by lightning.”

    I would greatly swap those odds with being attacked by a NF/BNP supporter or any reasonable intelligent kid who is working the meaning of his life, just because of my race.

  15. Tom Johnson — on 17th February, 2010 at 11:30 pm  

    @Ravi 14

    What a ridiculous response to my missive. Statistical tricks don’t begin to answer the fear and insecurity engendered by Jihadi ‘Britons’- and that in large measure is the game being played by terrorists. Because of these characters I can’t travel abroad without being virtually strip searched and I cannot take photos at tourist attractions either, if I could be bothered I’m sure I could list countless other petty inconveniences brought about as a consequence of Jihadi activities.

    The BNP on the other hand are, as I say, straw men talked up by Sunny Hundal to muddy the water. If you’re British living in Britain it’s important to be clear about who and where the threat to your peace and tranquility come from. The BNP pursue change through the ballot box, Jihadis are terrorists and their tactics do cause the quality of life to be diminished.

  16. MiriamBinder — on 18th February, 2010 at 12:34 am  

    @ Tom Johnson # 15 – When was the last time anyone here in the United Kingdom was killed by a terrorist attack? And do you happen to recall who claimed the attack?

  17. Cauldron — on 18th February, 2010 at 5:09 am  

    Much ado about nothing. Documentaries and movies that seek to explain why someone becomes an extremist don’t really turn viewers into extremists themselves, unless the viewer is already inclined that way.

    Hypothetically, one could equally argue that American History X, This is England and Britz all promote extremism. In reality, all three were enjoyable productions that sought to explain why people became extremists, but neither endorsed that extremism nor encouraged people to become extremists (aside from the silly epilogue in Britz).

    By contrast, most of the movies about the IRA WERE blatant propaganda, funded by terrorist-lovers from Boston. The only honourable exception being Patriot Games – the scene where the SAS shoots all the Feinian scum at their training camp is delightful.

  18. Ravi Naik — on 18th February, 2010 at 10:59 am  

    Statistical tricks don’t begin to answer the fear and insecurity engendered by Jihadi ‘Britons’- and that in large measure is the game being played by terrorists… If you’re British living in Britain it’s important to be clear about who and where the threat to your peace and tranquility come from.

    Facts and numbers are not tricks. And you are arrogant to think that Asians and Muslims in particular need not fear about the daily anti-Muslim rants from the BNP, and random attacks from “reasonable intelligent youth who are finding a meaning for their lives” and take out on innocent people because of their race or religion. I know that’s not your problem – but that’s certainly ours.

    “Because of these characters I can’t travel abroad without being virtually strip searched and I cannot take photos at tourist attractions either, if I could be bothered I’m sure I could list countless other petty inconveniences brought about as a consequence of Jihadi activities.”

    Not sure how you managed to downgrade “fear and insecurity” to “petty inconveniences”. And what “tourist” attraction were you not able to photograph?

  19. BrownEyedGirl — on 18th February, 2010 at 11:43 am  

    Nice to see that people are sticking to commenting on the subject the blog reports rather than mixing it with another debate.

    Anyway Sunny is right, im surprised Channel 4 ‘forgot’ to put this detail in. I’ve actually not watched it, too busy watching Tower Block of Commons where there was a BNP incident but it seems it was covered by the program far better than this one.

    Basically showed a group of residents from a council estate who had come together with the help of the visiting MP to discuss the councils plans for their homes. As a group of disalusioned individuals who would be traditionally seen as labour supporters they were the prime candidates for the BNP, who didnt disapoint by sending along a councillor to sit back and watch in a hidden corner.

    Channel 4 caught this quickly and then showed that he tried to hijack their debate to turn it party political, telling them ‘labour has let you down…’. It also showed the resident wisely, in my opinion, telling him to get lost…. ok they used stronger language.

    Anyway having shown this, where they must have been aware and ready for that to happen in order to identify him when he was hidden in a corner, it surprises me that channel 4 slipped up here. id assume it was a different production company but still there must be guidelines by channel4 for such a contentious area.

    Whether you believe it is right or wrong to air the views of groups such as the BNP or even NF, there is a responsibilty to highlight the background this comments have come from so that the audience can make their own decissions as to how much weight they give them.

  20. MiriamBinder — on 18th February, 2010 at 12:26 pm  

    @ Ravi Naik # 18 – I disagree that “anti-Muslim rants from the BNP, and random attacks from “reasonable intelligent youth who are finding a meaning for their lives” and take out on innocent people because of their race or religion” are merely the concern of those at whom these rants and random attacks are aimed.

    Every individual, regardless of their ethnicity, is affected by these events and the increased level of paranoia that are the direct consequence.

  21. Tom Johnson — on 18th February, 2010 at 5:03 pm  

    @Ravi 18

    ‘ I know that’s not your problem – but that’s certainly ours.’

    Come on be honest with yourself and be honest with me. You’ve never been assaulted by the BNP, have you? As I say these people are straw men as for C18, they don’t exist, when they did they were a mere handful.

    If truth be told the average Brit living in a typical city has far more to fear from black muggers, Bangladeshi class A drug dealers and Pakistani child groomers than they do from race hating thugs in fact if you’re identifiably Jewish the time to get scared is when you happen across a bunch of Muslim hoodlums not the odd nationalist/white supremacist nutter.

    So let’s be real. The BNP do not represent a significant threat to anyone. The vast majority of BMEs do not experience racial discrimination. Racial friction, such as it is, is largely due to the Labour govt’s policy of mass immigration and the reticence of Indian sub continentals to assimilate. And that’s the truth!

  22. Dalbir — on 18th February, 2010 at 5:35 pm  

    and the reticence of Indian sub continentals to assimilate. And that’s the truth!

    I would appreciate further elaboration on this if you don’t mind Tom?

    Anyway, the playing down of the potential threat of BNP/NF types is going to take place. For too many, things are only a problem when it starts to fuck white people up directly and indirectly. A lot of us know what we are wary of and yes, although that type of scenario hasn’t exactly returned today, ignoring the possibility in the current climes is being a mug of the highest order.

    At least this time we wont get caught out and we are wiser and smart enough to see things for what they really are.

    Let’s see how things unfold………..

  23. Muslim — on 18th February, 2010 at 5:46 pm  

    Tom Johnson

    If truth be told the average Brit living in a typical city has far more to fear from black muggers, Bangladeshi class A drug dealers and Pakistani child groomers than they do from race hating thugs in fact if you’re identifiably Jewish the time to get scared is when you happen across a bunch of Muslim hoodlums not the odd nationalist/white supremacist nutter.

    Because of course only white people are British right Tom. And you seem to have forgotten white supremacist bombers such as Neil Lewington, Robert Cottage , David Copeland,Mark Bullman and Tony Lecomber all of whom had links to the BNP.

    The vast majority of BMEs do not experience racial discrimination. Racial friction, such as it is, is largely due to the Labour govt’s policy of mass immigration and the reticence of Indian sub continentals to assimilate. And that’s the truth!

    How different from the white British when they travelled round the world. They never retain their culture or linguistic identity. Whereas all the Asian posters on here are posting in Hindi/Punjabi/their ancestral language not English.

    Your call for “assimiliation” rather than integration is intriguing. Asians cant assimiliate by the very fact of our skin colour.

  24. dave bones — on 18th February, 2010 at 6:03 pm  

    Good doco. Im glad the guy who made it gained the kids trust and represented him fairly. If kids from liberal backgrounds are being drawn to the far right we can scream and shout and “ban” or we can find out why.

    I don’t think this kid is representative of a lot bigger demographic than himself. He is a bit fucked up isn’t he, which he doesn’t hide. As the doco says the NF are very small. Probably not much bigger than Choudharys posse. They are from a dissafected white working class. I interviewed one of their councillors once on camera at their annual march through Bermondsey. Said he wanted a “voluntary repatronisation policy”.

    Talking to a few people from the area around this subject I think there was a bit of a “race war” in Bermondsey and they lost, hence “white flight”.

    Good doco, cheers for linking. What is the problem with it?

  25. Tom Johnson — on 18th February, 2010 at 6:38 pm  

    @Muslim 23

    ‘Your call for “assimiliation” rather than integration is intriguing.’

    Intriguing? I would say deliberate. ‘Integration’ is for multiculturalists, assimilation is for us old fashioned melting pot theory guys. Asians can’t assimilate? A better way to put it is that Indian sub continentals are forever Asian because they won’t assimilate. British born Indians hide behind a word like integration safe in the knowledge that they can retain their tribal exclusivity whilst taking advantage of all the material benefits that a first world liberal democracy has to offer. A British passport doesn’t make you British, there has to be an emotional connection there you must have an affinity for your fellow countrymen. Go to any Test match between England/India and see where the loyalty is. As I’ve said before hardly any would pass the Tebbit test.

    As for your list of white supremacist bombers, what’s that got to do with the BNP as a party?

    ‘Because of course only white people are British right Tom.’ Utterly contemptible, I’m a melting pot guy remember, it’s the multiculturalists that are hung up on racial exclusivity.

  26. Dalbir — on 18th February, 2010 at 6:59 pm  

    So Tom

    Basically you’d like us all to forget the ‘bud bud ding ding’ language of our roots and marry whites – in an ideal world?

    You do know that this will probably lead to more disgruntled whites joining BNP/NF orgs under the fear of the sullying of ‘superior white blood’, don’t you?

    Welcome to Ingland! Damed if you do – damned if you don’t……..

  27. dave bones — on 18th February, 2010 at 9:35 pm  

    Tom I am white but I supported the Jamaican Bobsleigh team. Are they running this year? Also Wray and Nephews. Shit hot stuff. I assimilated with shit loads of that in Jamaica.

  28. Ravi Naik — on 19th February, 2010 at 12:41 am  

    ” Go to any Test match between England/India and see where the loyalty is. As I’ve said before hardly any would pass the Tebbit test.”

    I hate cricket, abhor the BNP and feel no affinity to you. Do I fail the test?

    If truth be told the average Brit living in a typical city has far more to fear from black muggers, Bangladeshi class A drug dealers and Pakistani child groomers

    I am not interested in the BNP newsletter, thank you very much.

  29. Jai — on 19th February, 2010 at 12:38 pm  

    The BNP do not represent a significant threat to anyone.

    In which case, the BNP will presumably not have any reservations about providing full details of exactly how they plan to reduce Britain’s non-white population from 10% to 1% (a continuing aspiration confirmed directly by Nick Griffin on Question Tome), considering that they have ostensibly abandoned their “voluntary repatriation” policies.

  30. persephone — on 21st February, 2010 at 12:18 am  

    ”Go to any Test match between England/India and see where the loyalty is. As I’ve said before hardly any would pass the Tebbit test.”

    The Tebbitt test was relating to cricket.

    Football is the game favoured by the bnp so you don’t see them at Test matches.

    If they do not favour a quintessentially british sport does that not mean they have failed ‘the’ test, failed to assimilate, are disloyal, are intentionally not allowing indigenous culture to flourish etc.

  31. Taj — on 21st February, 2010 at 10:28 pm  

    To return to the post:
    “And yet the entire programme apparently missed out this teeny weeny fact. I’m going to watch it tonight to confirm this, and if true complain to Ofcom.”
    Bit of a jump-the-gun-ist approach there; you’re recycling others opinions without taking the time to check it out yourself first. As it was, I think the documentary wasn’t a recruiting tool for the BNP; it portrayed the organisation as opportunistic, riven with faction and extreme racism. Yes, the young man was humanised rather than repeatedly condemned for his behaviour; however, I don’t think his story made him a poster boy for the extreme right. Instead, he just came across as a sad, disturbed and isolated individual.

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