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    Daily Mail cartoon: immigrants are like animals right?


    by Sunny on 11th February, 2010 at 12:37 pm    

    This is the Daily Mail cartoon today. Some background on Libcon.

    As low as Jan Moir. It’s unbelievable the depths to which the Daily Mail will sink to.


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    1. Faisal — on 11th February, 2010 at 2:07 pm  

      This cartoon could also be profoundly racist against Welshmen.

      But I’m guessing you would not find that so problematic.

    2. Wibble — on 11th February, 2010 at 2:34 pm  

      @1 So much for the smartarse comment: you clearly don’t find stereotyping the Welsh “problematic”.

    3. Faisal — on 11th February, 2010 at 2:37 pm  

      Oh I do, I do. I’m not so sure Sunny does or whether that’s the thrust of his protest.

    4. AsifB — on 11th February, 2010 at 3:27 pm  

      It’s also attacks the CoE for sanctifying inter-spieces union…

      But yes it’s a disgraceful editorial ploy by the Mail - the allied meme being put out by Lord Tebbit on his Telgraph blog is that New Labour has boosted immigration because “Third World immigrants are more likely to vote Labour than Conservative” is a thinly disguised attack on non-white British people even though a) a large part of any ‘added’ immigration that New labour may have facilitated is down to EU accession states and not the ‘Third World’
      [Not that there's anything wrong with that.]

      and b)As gerrymandering goes its not been very successful has it? Votes for Labour have been declining all round especially among ‘core’ voting groups - eg; white working class, people with ‘Third World’ ethnic hertiage oppossed to the war, civil libertarians

      But thank you to the Mail for reminding me how whiny and bigoted some right wing Southern English types can be.

    5. Faisal — on 11th February, 2010 at 3:52 pm  

      Could it not also be interpreted as an homophobic cartoon:

      http://www.cagle.com/news/Ferrin/FerrinImages/ferrin3-01.jpg

    6. Abdul Abbulbul Emir — on 11th February, 2010 at 3:52 pm  

      Mrs A says:

      This is a great compliment Abdul.

      You know how the English love their animals.

      Peace

    7. Ivan Skavinsky Skavar — on 11th February, 2010 at 4:04 pm  

      Surprised that Mrs A did not comment on the English “awakening” and falling into the arms of the BNP, eh Abdul ?

    8. A.C. — on 11th February, 2010 at 4:32 pm  

      Well she can’t be an Asian sheep or she woudnt have been allowed to marry the gora…

    9. Tory — on 11th February, 2010 at 5:01 pm  

      BEHEAD CARTOONISTS WHO QUESTION MULTICULTURALISM

      Sunny, you been shocking in your judgement the last couple of days. First the rather sad attempt to ignore Ali Dizaei’s use of ‘diversity management’ and the BPA to hide from justice, and now this.

      Its an unfunny satirical take on the recent revelations about phoney marraiges for passports.

      ‘They are calling immigrants animals!’ LOL

      Also lads, Labour HAS been lying about immigration for over 10 years now. I would suggest this unmanaged 3rd world immigration and ghetto building has been more problematic than cartoonists and a free press ever will.

    10. LeacroftRd — on 11th February, 2010 at 5:05 pm  

      I thought it was a derby joke, hence their nickname “sheepshaggers”.

    11. Sunny — on 11th February, 2010 at 5:06 pm  

      I’m not so sure Sunny does or whether that’s the thrust of his protest.

      That’s the most convoluted crap I’ve heard today.

      So you think a sheep means someone Welsh, and then you think I wouldn’t find that problematic though yo obviously do even though you’ve made the link to Welsh despite the fact it is referring to overseas immigration.

      Well done.

    12. Refresh — on 11th February, 2010 at 5:08 pm  

      I do hope the Welsh join in against this offensive offering from the Daily Mail.

      I’d like to see the Principality clear all their shelves of the paper and vow never to buy another copy. Liverpool set that precedent after Sun’s notorious attack on Liverpudlians after Hillsbrough.

    13. Refresh — on 11th February, 2010 at 5:17 pm  

      Just remembered, perhaps they took their cue from something Boris said about civil partnerships.

    14. Tory — on 11th February, 2010 at 5:35 pm  

      I have lots of Welsh friends and only a small number of them have actually had relations with sheep.

    15. Faisal — on 11th February, 2010 at 5:40 pm  

      “So you think a sheep means someone Welsh, and then you think I wouldn’t find that problematic though yo obviously do even though you’ve made the link to Welsh despite the fact it is referring to overseas immigration.”

      Like I said and have linked to, the cartoon could be offensive to a host of people, the immigrant one being the least offensive of the lot. But obviously not to a “browner than thou” race-specialist like you.

    16. Wibble — on 11th February, 2010 at 6:16 pm  

      “Like I said and have linked to, the cartoon could be offensive to a host of people ….”

      That’s all well ‘n’ good except for the deliberate ignoring of the context, reinforced by the caption to score a few cheap points.

    17. douglas clark — on 11th February, 2010 at 6:44 pm  

      I agree with Sunny and Wibble. It’s bleedin’ obviously racist, and not in an anti-Welsh way…

    18. Don — on 11th February, 2010 at 6:48 pm  

      The word ‘multicultural’ makes immigration the key target, but with strong homophobic undertones, as in ‘If they let people marry someone of the same sex then next it will be animals.’ Which is a line you do hear from wingnuts.

      Nasty on several levels, but they know their readership.

    19. Sunny — on 11th February, 2010 at 6:58 pm  

      But obviously not to a “browner than thou” race-specialist like you.

      You know you’ve plumbed to the depths of stupidity when commenters posting underneath that cartoon on the Daily Mail cartoon sound more intelligent than you.

      Why don’t you go back to advocating spying on uni students? You’ll feel much better.

    20. Faisal — on 11th February, 2010 at 7:02 pm  

      dear me, things have really hit rock.

    21. LibertyPhile — on 11th February, 2010 at 7:49 pm  

      You don’t get the joke do you.

      The guy likes sheep! He is, in the vernacular a “sheepshagger”. Have you never heard the term. It can be used abusively, humorously, or even affectionately.

      He is using “multiculturalism” as an excuse to have a bit of what he fancies! Otherwise shagging sheep is frowned upon. It is a joke! Ha, Ha.

      You really ought to get out more!

    22. Rumbold — on 11th February, 2010 at 8:28 pm  

      Faisal:

      I disagree. Had there been no mention of multiculturalism, the interpretation would be much more open; but the message is not directed against the Welsh, but non-whites/immigrants.

      At a stretch you could say the cartoon was a critique of ’sheep-like’ mentality, but based on the Daily Mail’s past and current behaviour, that is probably too generous to the Mail.

      I don’t see that the comparison with the New York Post (which has been made elsewhere) is valid either; the Post’s cartoon was based on a current news story which was well-known.

    23. Faisal — on 11th February, 2010 at 8:36 pm  

      I think LibertyPhile is the only person who gets the joke. :-)

    24. MiriamBinder — on 11th February, 2010 at 8:45 pm  

      Which ever way you care to interpret the cartoon … and I suppose that depends entirely on your own frame of reference and what happens to rock your particular boat … it is indeed a new low for the Daily Mail; heck they’ve managed to plummet to depths even the Baikal can only dream about ….

    25. Katy Newton — on 11th February, 2010 at 8:57 pm  

      I think it’s pretty offensive, I have to say. I didn’t read it as meaning that immigrants were like animals, as such; I read it in the way that Don did @18 - that it’s a slippery slope from multiculturalism to ULTIMATE DEPRAVITY.

      I see that it’s intended as a joke, but it’s still got a very unpleasant undertone.

    26. douglas clark — on 11th February, 2010 at 9:12 pm  

      Shatterface has a comment on this up at Liberal Conspiracy:

      According to Wikipedia ’sheep husbandry is practised throughout the majority of the inhabited world’.

      So there, something to ruminate on.

      I’d never marry one though. I’d be afraid of getting fleeced in the divorce.

      Now I thought that was pretty funny…

    27. Rumbold — on 11th February, 2010 at 9:16 pm  

      Heh Douglas. That’s a good one by Shatterface.

      Katy:

      I agree with you (and Don, obviously).

    28. A.C. — on 11th February, 2010 at 9:35 pm  

      Seconded on Shatterface’s comment, although it’s a baaaaaad joke :)

    29. douglas clark — on 11th February, 2010 at 9:49 pm  

      AC,

      Baaad joke?

      I wouldn’t gambol on it.

    30. Rumbold — on 11th February, 2010 at 9:58 pm  

      Oh dear oh dear (oh wait we are talking about sheep).

      And it’s goodnight from me…

    31. douglas clark — on 11th February, 2010 at 10:04 pm  

      And it’s goodnight from him.

      Cue credits…

    32. Don — on 11th February, 2010 at 10:18 pm  

      Now I remember what this cartoon brought to mind.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXD329ff21Q

      But that was satire, the cartoon I think was sincere.

    33. douglas clark — on 11th February, 2010 at 11:13 pm  

      My latest theory is that the ‘voice’ below the cartoon is, in fact, that of the sheep…

    34. Boyo — on 12th February, 2010 at 6:56 am  

      but what about us sheep-shaggers?

      i don’t think it’s anti-welsh. i don’t think it INTENDS to be racist.

      but i can see how it could be interpreted that way. especially by non-white people… and the welsh.

    35. mirax — on 12th February, 2010 at 8:04 am  

      How come my posts on the Sahgal thread keep disappearing but Ariff’s are ok?

    36. Trofim — on 12th February, 2010 at 8:18 am  

      I just showed it to a friend who had not seen it before, and asked her if she thought it might be offensive. She was puzzled, but after some thought ventured the thought that it might be offensive to Welsh farmers.

    37. Sarah AB — on 12th February, 2010 at 9:06 am  

      Don - that’s exactly what it made me think of too - and I think it’s not hard to see this cartoon’s racist potential even though I don’t suppose that was the intention.

    38. Ahmed — on 13th February, 2010 at 3:46 pm  

      Faisal Gazi’s defence of the Daily Mail’s cartoon is a new low even for him. It’s been astonishing to see his descent from a left-wing fighter for justice to an acolyte and defender of the neo-con far right. Like watching a butterfly turn into a slug.

      Here he is in a previous incarnation:
      “And then you close off and conclude that is why “almost all the muslim
      states in the world have such violent status today”

      Any objective and non-confrontational reading of this would suggest that
      you are willing to see the abuses of Christianity and Islam, but are
      only prepared to blame one of them - and that is Islam. This gives your
      game away and proves that you simply have an (hidden) agenda and an axe
      to grind.

      For example you forgotten to include in your sweeping surmise that the
      USA (a Christian Democracy) has been involved in 42 wars and conflicts
      in the last 40 years. This is a record of violence unbeaten by any
      country, Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist or whatever takes your
      fancy.

      It may be that you do not wish to include the USA in your statistics
      because you are not willing to bite the hand that feeds. I can only
      congratulate you then on your caution.

      Faisal Gazi”

      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eshomabesh/message/4650

    39. notmarvin — on 14th February, 2010 at 1:53 pm  

      What LibertyPhile said - it’s a joke about ’sheepshaggers’ using the anything goes mentality of Labour’s multiculturalist idealism to, well, marry a sheep.

      That anti-racists would see this, in their mind, as an outrageous protofacist message that immigrants = animals, is surely entirely predictable however.

      I think the question is, was the Daily Mail editor/sub-editor aware that the latter would be the unquestionable interpretation by the left? I am inclined to think that they were indeed aware and did it to provoke. And not bothered that some out and out racists would take the same interpretation.

    40. LibertyPhile — on 14th February, 2010 at 8:23 pm  

      Good grief, conspiracy theories now!

      It was a joke. It was not racist. Period. If you really want an R, it was risqué.

      End of plot.

    41. Muslim — on 15th February, 2010 at 8:02 pm  

      Talking of needlessly taking offence does anyone know why the video of David T ranting like a madman has been removed from You Tube?

      http://www.iengage.org.uk/component/content/article/1-news/721-david-toube-of-harrys-place-filmed-ranting-like-a-madman

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