“Suicide bombers are always young people directed by older people. The reason for this is simple. Older people know how sweet and valuable life is and cling to it themselves. They have also learned that no philosophy is worth giving up ones life for. This is the worst immorality of such immoral actions. They use young idealists to commit outrages they would never commit themselves. They are worthless acts that achieve nothing but the death of the perpetrators, and of course the hapless victims.”

Was it not the US that sent it’s predominantly young, inexperienced and disproportionately black soldiers to fight in Vietnam – and for precisely what cause did they die? What about Iraq and Afghanistan? Exactly how many OLD soldiers do you see fighting on the front lines taking bullets for their generals and political masters alike?

The UN universal declaration of human rights was written by politicians rather than clerics too, and of course has been broken many times in many places. However, no one else has a problem with the theory of the thing. To the best of my knowledge it’s been accepted almost universally, islam being the only religion that felt the need to make it’s own version.

Actually you gotta understand some of these people and what they think about thier people. See they are the true muslims who must wake of the sleeping Muslims who have become decadent and drunk from secularism and religious negligence. Most likely a wake up call.

In short, the government yet again hyped it out off all proportion. They’d been watching these men for months. They knew actually what they were doing, or were planning to do. There’s widespread agreement that it would have been near impossible for them to mix these chemicals and create a bomb once aboard an aircraft. Some of them didn’t have passports. It seems incredibly likely the supposed ringleader in Pakistan has been tortured, hence the almost laughable claims of top-level al-Qaida involvement, and to top it all, we have to read the reality about it all from an American newspaper on blogs. Long live freedom!

The problem here is islam will not admit that human rights are universal.
http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/instree/cairodeclaration.html

*smiles*

I’m not going to go backwards and forwards with this. You know what my opinion is, and I know yours. Neither of us is going to convince the other, I’m cool with that. Let us cordially agree to disagree.

As for the ‘bomb and you will be bombed’ – threats rarely work on societies or Governments.

And why are Muslims always ‘angry’ at Western Governments? If we are talking body counts the biggest threats to muslims are, well, other muslims.

Take Saddam Hussein, 2 MILLION dead on his butchers bill and barely a peep out of any organised poltical muslim group in the West. The West eventually gets rid of him and all hell breaks loose. The anti Saddam campaign was run by Kurdish exiles and the staff of the Daily Mirror. Kurds do seem to have more of a conscience as a political group.

How many body bags does the Iranians have to fill before Muslims in the West start to think, hang on, these are totalitarean bastards???? The Iranian Theocracy has killed many many liberals, trades unionists, gays, lesbians, communists, socialists etc etc etc. Wheres the outrage?

Ditto the Taliban, f8ckinfg medieval bastards and barely a peep from political Islam in the West but when the West intervenes…….

Take Darfur – Muslims killing muslims and political Islam in the West isn’t really that bothered. Could it be because the victims are black and the perps Arab? I would hope not but the charge for meaningful intervention is being lead by the Euston Manifesto types. Wheres MPACs contribution?

None of this is to excuse the way Israel behaves in the West Bank, Gaza etc (Don’t get me started on that – will be a long post) and I don’t think the US has handled Iraq at all well (huge understatement) but wheres the balance?

Why does it seem that Muslim deaths have more worth if the perpetrators are from the West and if the perps are Muslim then they seem to matter less?

Thats how it often looks I’m afraid.

But what would I know, I just think a crime is a crime is a crime and that human rights are universal.

As for the ANC, I don’t think that it was their military actions that eventually won the day, but the political drip, drip, dripping that wore away the granite of apartheid. Also the many South Africans of all colours and religions who left the country rather than live under that system.