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		<title>By: Tom (iow)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom (iow)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So a third of people are apt to mix-up similar names. Clearly a crisis.</description>
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		<title>By: sofia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7420#comment-192585</link>
		<dc:creator>sofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Islam, Hollywood is a clannish, backwards-thinking, oppressive, patriarchal society intent on keeping women firmly in their place.

erm...sweeping statement...there are plenty of muslim women who feel they are emanicpated by islam...don&#039;t belittle their opinion. And if Islam has been hijacked by clannish, backwards-thinking, oppressive MEN intent on keeping women firmly in their place..then that&#039;s a separate argument. 

I don&#039;t feel Islam holds me back..I think a male dogmatic interpretation of Quranic scripture has been allowed to be the only normative version of Islam..and this is what I find uncomfortable. Making sweeping statements and regurgitating and reinforcing negative stereotypes don&#039;t help anyone. A lot of these societies were misogynist before Islam, and they just sadly continued to be so in spite of what Islam teaches. If it&#039;s about education, well then let&#039;s educate people about what their religion really says..the fact from the fiction...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Islam, Hollywood is a clannish, backwards-thinking, oppressive, patriarchal society intent on keeping women firmly in their place.</p>
<p>erm&#8230;sweeping statement&#8230;there are plenty of muslim women who feel they are emanicpated by islam&#8230;don&#8217;t belittle their opinion. And if Islam has been hijacked by clannish, backwards-thinking, oppressive MEN intent on keeping women firmly in their place..then that&#8217;s a separate argument. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t feel Islam holds me back..I think a male dogmatic interpretation of Quranic scripture has been allowed to be the only normative version of Islam..and this is what I find uncomfortable. Making sweeping statements and regurgitating and reinforcing negative stereotypes don&#8217;t help anyone. A lot of these societies were misogynist before Islam, and they just sadly continued to be so in spite of what Islam teaches. If it&#8217;s about education, well then let&#8217;s educate people about what their religion really says..the fact from the fiction&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Abdul Abbulbul Emir</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7420#comment-192584</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdul Abbulbul Emir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mrs A asks:

And what proportion of the populace think that Blair is an odious lying little creep.

Have they been asked ?

Her words...
Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs A asks:</p>
<p>And what proportion of the populace think that Blair is an odious lying little creep.</p>
<p>Have they been asked ?</p>
<p>Her words&#8230;<br />
Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: halima</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7420#comment-192569</link>
		<dc:creator>halima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 02:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rumbold 

Maybe it would&#039;ve been better for you to make a seperate post on &#039;honour killings&#039; altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rumbold </p>
<p>Maybe it would&#8217;ve been better for you to make a seperate post on &#8216;honour killings&#8217; altogether.</p>
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		<title>By: A.C.</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7420#comment-192568</link>
		<dc:creator>A.C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 00:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just put a new blog post up (with accurate and up-to-date graphs) about the Asian Network&#039;s demise:

http://www.mixtogetherandfriends.org/asian-media/bbc-asian-networks-poor-ratings-have-sealed-the-stations-fate-oh-well/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just put a new blog post up (with accurate and up-to-date graphs) about the Asian Network&#8217;s demise:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mixtogetherandfriends.org/asian-media/bbc-asian-networks-poor-ratings-have-sealed-the-stations-fate-oh-well/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mixtogetherandfriends.org/asian-media/bbc-asian-networks-poor-ratings-have-sealed-the-stations-fate-oh-well/</a></p>
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		<title>By: A.C.</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7420#comment-192567</link>
		<dc:creator>A.C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 00:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Failing to cover the biggest story in Asian Media news properly on this blog makes you look a bit silly too.

Oh, and so does publishing incomplete data to fit your misleading AIM report about the Asian Network.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Failing to cover the biggest story in Asian Media news properly on this blog makes you look a bit silly too.</p>
<p>Oh, and so does publishing incomplete data to fit your misleading AIM report about the Asian Network.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7420#comment-192566</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we stop fawning over any idiot that mentions &#039;honour killings&#039; now please, it does make us look a bit silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we stop fawning over any idiot that mentions &#8216;honour killings&#8217; now please, it does make us look a bit silly.</p>
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		<title>By: A.C.</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7420#comment-192562</link>
		<dc:creator>A.C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rumbold:

&quot;there isnâ€™t as much to say about the Asian Netwrok as one might think; it is expensive and losing listeners.&quot;

True, but the real hidden question is WHY is it losing listeners? For my money it has failed to move with the times and people are voting with their feet.

The Asian Network had the time, goodwill and money to introduce progressive ideas into the Asian community and it squandered them all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rumbold:</p>
<p>&#8220;there isnâ€™t as much to say about the Asian Netwrok as one might think; it is expensive and losing listeners.&#8221;</p>
<p>True, but the real hidden question is WHY is it losing listeners? For my money it has failed to move with the times and people are voting with their feet.</p>
<p>The Asian Network had the time, goodwill and money to introduce progressive ideas into the Asian community and it squandered them all.</p>
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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A.C:

Well, the news/blog-round up session, which seems to have died a death recently (and probably rightly), is to allow for a number of discussions. As you say, there isn&#039;t as much to say about the Asian Netwrok as one might think; it is expensive and losing listeners.

KB Player:

True enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A.C:</p>
<p>Well, the news/blog-round up session, which seems to have died a death recently (and probably rightly), is to allow for a number of discussions. As you say, there isn&#8217;t as much to say about the Asian Netwrok as one might think; it is expensive and losing listeners.</p>
<p>KB Player:</p>
<p>True enough.</p>
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		<title>By: KB Player</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7420#comment-192559</link>
		<dc:creator>KB Player</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rumbold - I did think you were falling a long way below your usual (high) standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rumbold &#8211; I did think you were falling a long way below your usual (high) standard.</p>
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		<title>By: A.C.</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7420#comment-192558</link>
		<dc:creator>A.C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rumbold nice one for mentioning the Asian Network problems and linking to an accurate graph. As this is Pickled Politics I would have expected a dedicated thread on a story of that magnitude, but it looks like most people accept the station in its current form isn&#039;t worth fighting for anyway!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rumbold nice one for mentioning the Asian Network problems and linking to an accurate graph. As this is Pickled Politics I would have expected a dedicated thread on a story of that magnitude, but it looks like most people accept the station in its current form isn&#8217;t worth fighting for anyway!</p>
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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... a gross miscalculation. It seems I was far too generous towards Liz Jones. I accept people&#039;s criticisms. I think I was trying too hard to find the good in the article, which I read as there being a spectrum (about what we expect &#039;our&#039; women to be like).

Some of the most sensible commentors on here have set me straight. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; a gross miscalculation. It seems I was far too generous towards Liz Jones. I accept people&#8217;s criticisms. I think I was trying too hard to find the good in the article, which I read as there being a spectrum (about what we expect &#8216;our&#8217; women to be like).</p>
<p>Some of the most sensible commentors on here have set me straight. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Kulvinder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kulvinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually change that to 3million, 6 to a household</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually change that to 3million, 6 to a household</p>
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		<title>By: Kulvinder</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/7420#comment-192554</link>
		<dc:creator>Kulvinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;that Asians are special just because theyâ€™re Asian was always guaranteed to foster resentment amongst the majority who pay for â€˜Auntyâ€™ anyway what about Orientals, how come they get hardly any face time?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You could say the same about Radio nan GÃ idheal or Radio Cymru.  Saying the &#039;majority pay&#039; for one radio station is a tad optimistic, even saying the 4,000,000 &#039;british asians&#039; are living 8 to a household - thats half a million homes paying Â£140 a year or Â£70,000,000.

The budget for the AN is approx &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.asiansinmedia.org/2009/07/20/is-bbc-asian-network-being-shut-down/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Â£12million&lt;/a&gt;, you&#039;re out by a factor of ten.

Generally though the bbc should reflect the needs of those it charges and as such id be against &#039;banning&#039; the AN on account of it being &#039;asian&#039; as much as id be against the bannning of welsh or gaelic radio stations.

Oh and i agree the british chinese community is under-represented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>that Asians are special just because theyâ€™re Asian was always guaranteed to foster resentment amongst the majority who pay for â€˜Auntyâ€™ anyway what about Orientals, how come they get hardly any face time?</p></blockquote>
<p>You could say the same about Radio nan GÃ idheal or Radio Cymru.  Saying the &#8216;majority pay&#8217; for one radio station is a tad optimistic, even saying the 4,000,000 &#8216;british asians&#8217; are living 8 to a household &#8211; thats half a million homes paying Â£140 a year or Â£70,000,000.</p>
<p>The budget for the AN is approx <a href="http://www.asiansinmedia.org/2009/07/20/is-bbc-asian-network-being-shut-down/" rel="nofollow">Â£12million</a>, you&#8217;re out by a factor of ten.</p>
<p>Generally though the bbc should reflect the needs of those it charges and as such id be against &#8216;banning&#8217; the AN on account of it being &#8216;asian&#8217; as much as id be against the bannning of welsh or gaelic radio stations.</p>
<p>Oh and i agree the british chinese community is under-represented.</p>
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		<title>By: highfieldoval</title>
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		<dc:creator>highfieldoval</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s exactly what I meant. I&#039;m old fashioned like that you see, I believe in the &#039;melting pot&#039; which requires assimilation, the fashion today is integration which means mini India rubbing along with mini Somalia which is supposed to rub along with mini Pakistan which in turn has to rub along with mini Nigeria et al. The UK/England got lost in all this today we have &#039;Britons&#039; whose primary allegiance is to elsewhere, they identify more with foreigners than they do us, they have no desire and are not required to let go of backward medieval customs indeed they&#039;re encouraged to retain this stuff and just look at the result: a balkanised nightmare deliberately engineered by Blair and his cronies, Segregated schools, housing estates and communities, gangs based on ethnicity attacking others based purely on ethnicity an electoral system that had integrity subverted by the corrupt third world practices introduced from South Asia. I could go on but would only become incoherent with rage. You get the idea. It&#039;s a disaster I tell you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s exactly what I meant. I&#8217;m old fashioned like that you see, I believe in the &#8216;melting pot&#8217; which requires assimilation, the fashion today is integration which means mini India rubbing along with mini Somalia which is supposed to rub along with mini Pakistan which in turn has to rub along with mini Nigeria et al. The UK/England got lost in all this today we have &#8216;Britons&#8217; whose primary allegiance is to elsewhere, they identify more with foreigners than they do us, they have no desire and are not required to let go of backward medieval customs indeed they&#8217;re encouraged to retain this stuff and just look at the result: a balkanised nightmare deliberately engineered by Blair and his cronies, Segregated schools, housing estates and communities, gangs based on ethnicity attacking others based purely on ethnicity an electoral system that had integrity subverted by the corrupt third world practices introduced from South Asia. I could go on but would only become incoherent with rage. You get the idea. It&#8217;s a disaster I tell you.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;assimilate into our big melting pot or integrate elsewhere but not here. Get it! Good!!&lt;/i&gt;

Not really. I more or less got your gist until that part. Maybe it&#039;s just me, but that seems to be gibberish. Are you sure that&#039;s what you meant to say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>assimilate into our big melting pot or integrate elsewhere but not here. Get it! Good!!</i></p>
<p>Not really. I more or less got your gist until that part. Maybe it&#8217;s just me, but that seems to be gibberish. Are you sure that&#8217;s what you meant to say?</p>
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		<title>By: highfieldoval</title>
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		<dc:creator>highfieldoval</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well let&#039;s hope Rajar, or whatever its called, does us all a favour and records plummeting figures on the AN this &#039;experiment&#039; should never have got off the ground in the first place: buying into the idea, as it does, that Asians are special just because they&#039;re Asian was always guaranteed to foster resentment amongst the majority who pay for &#039;Aunty&#039; anyway what about Orientals, how come they get hardly any face time? This isn&#039;t the 60s/70s we&#039;ve moved on there are loads of East Asians about the place now even if they lack the cachet of the Indians and as for the Africans they&#039;re persona non grata unless they&#039;re cleaning out the slops in the canteen. The AN represents all that is wrong with the way we are: segregation and suspicion, exclusion and favouritism. The BBC need to be told that Indians are here on the same terms as everybody else: to enjoy and contribute to a British way of life, assimilate into our big melting pot or integrate elsewhere but not here. Get it! Good!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well let&#8217;s hope Rajar, or whatever its called, does us all a favour and records plummeting figures on the AN this &#8216;experiment&#8217; should never have got off the ground in the first place: buying into the idea, as it does, that Asians are special just because they&#8217;re Asian was always guaranteed to foster resentment amongst the majority who pay for &#8216;Aunty&#8217; anyway what about Orientals, how come they get hardly any face time? This isn&#8217;t the 60s/70s we&#8217;ve moved on there are loads of East Asians about the place now even if they lack the cachet of the Indians and as for the Africans they&#8217;re persona non grata unless they&#8217;re cleaning out the slops in the canteen. The AN represents all that is wrong with the way we are: segregation and suspicion, exclusion and favouritism. The BBC need to be told that Indians are here on the same terms as everybody else: to enjoy and contribute to a British way of life, assimilate into our big melting pot or integrate elsewhere but not here. Get it! Good!!</p>
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		<title>By: MaidMarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaidMarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rumbold - With the greatest of respect, that&#039;s total cobblers.

Insecurity because of age and insecurity because of exposure to honour violence are not even in the same postcode, never mind on the same spectrum.

Jones has cheapened complaints about violence against women.

I&#039;m in the West and I claim the moral high ground on this one.

Oh, and I will do this, just because it sticks in Jones&#039; craw too much to say it - congratulations Emma Watson on your achievements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rumbold &#8211; With the greatest of respect, that&#8217;s total cobblers.</p>
<p>Insecurity because of age and insecurity because of exposure to honour violence are not even in the same postcode, never mind on the same spectrum.</p>
<p>Jones has cheapened complaints about violence against women.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in the West and I claim the moral high ground on this one.</p>
<p>Oh, and I will do this, just because it sticks in Jones&#8217; craw too much to say it &#8211; congratulations Emma Watson on your achievements.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with the majority on the Jones article, Rumbold. I read it earlier today and found it crass, lazy and badly argued - in fact barely argued at all. As KB Player pointed out, &lt;i&gt;â€œBut can we in the West really claim the moral high ground when it comes to condemning these â€˜honourâ€™ killingsâ€™?â€&lt;/i&gt; is a stupid question to be answered with a simple &#039;Yes&#039;. 

Emma Watson&#039;s earnings and a teenager buried alive part of the same spectrum? Really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with the majority on the Jones article, Rumbold. I read it earlier today and found it crass, lazy and badly argued &#8211; in fact barely argued at all. As KB Player pointed out, <i>â€œBut can we in the West really claim the moral high ground when it comes to condemning these â€˜honourâ€™ killingsâ€™?â€</i> is a stupid question to be answered with a simple &#8216;Yes&#8217;. </p>
<p>Emma Watson&#8217;s earnings and a teenager buried alive part of the same spectrum? Really?</p>
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		<title>By: Kulvinder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kulvinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was also about to post a &#039;liz jones is a nutter and made no coherent sense&#039;, but well, i kinda feel sorry for rumbold now...

But for all the reasons outlined above i don&#039;t think emma  watson and medine memi are comparable.  

Incidentally and tangentially id argue the &#039;exploitation&#039; of female celebrities in general and arguably emma watson in particular is from the paparazzi.  Although im the last person to condone prosecutions of individuals, particularly in the present hysteria surrounding any issue regarding photographers/children/sex/terrorism (in any combination you wish), but its always struck me as...odd that the kind of &#039;upskirt&#039; shots the paps literally crawl into the gutter for would result in a prosecution were the female not famous and the camera wielder not a &#039;journalist&#039; 

Now fair enough, there are female &#039;celebs&#039; who are complicit in their photographs appearing in heat/nuts/ladsmags, a lot of the photographs taken are obviously staged, but i seem to remember the moment emma watson turned 18 the papers were happy to publish photographs of her &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article1065875.ece&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#039;upskirt&#039;&lt;/a&gt;, so all those photographers were presumably taking pictures of watson getting in and out of cars whilst under 18, and presumably getting pictures of her knickers then the day she turns 18 they publish them to show what a &#039;tart&#039; she is.

Its ironic though the very papers that jump onto any passing paedophile bandwagon have legions of photographers snapping away at famous girls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was also about to post a &#8216;liz jones is a nutter and made no coherent sense&#8217;, but well, i kinda feel sorry for rumbold now&#8230;</p>
<p>But for all the reasons outlined above i don&#8217;t think emma  watson and medine memi are comparable.  </p>
<p>Incidentally and tangentially id argue the &#8216;exploitation&#8217; of female celebrities in general and arguably emma watson in particular is from the paparazzi.  Although im the last person to condone prosecutions of individuals, particularly in the present hysteria surrounding any issue regarding photographers/children/sex/terrorism (in any combination you wish), but its always struck me as&#8230;odd that the kind of &#8216;upskirt&#8217; shots the paps literally crawl into the gutter for would result in a prosecution were the female not famous and the camera wielder not a &#8216;journalist&#8217; </p>
<p>Now fair enough, there are female &#8216;celebs&#8217; who are complicit in their photographs appearing in heat/nuts/ladsmags, a lot of the photographs taken are obviously staged, but i seem to remember the moment emma watson turned 18 the papers were happy to publish photographs of her <a href="http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article1065875.ece" rel="nofollow">&#8216;upskirt&#8217;</a>, so all those photographers were presumably taking pictures of watson getting in and out of cars whilst under 18, and presumably getting pictures of her knickers then the day she turns 18 they publish them to show what a &#8216;tart&#8217; she is.</p>
<p>Its ironic though the very papers that jump onto any passing paedophile bandwagon have legions of photographers snapping away at famous girls.</p>
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