English Defence League violence in Stoke


by Sunny
24th January, 2010 at 9:28 am    

Well that’s no surprise is it? Watch the video too.

Seventeen people were arrested at an English Defence League (EDL) rally in Stoke-on-Trent after trouble broke out.
Four officers were injured and vehicles were damaged when EDL supporters broke through police cordons. Two of the officers needed hospital treatment.

There’s more coverage and videos over at A Very Public Sociologist blog. Definitely worth reading.

Good to see that Unite Against Fascism have learnt from previous mistakes and behaved very civilised in contrast. Let the racists make a fool of themselves.


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  1. Rumbold — on 24th January, 2010 at 11:44 am  

    They don’t look dodgy. Not in the slightest.

  2. KB Player — on 24th January, 2010 at 12:52 pm  

    Yeah, representatives of the ordinary British people. To do ordinary British people justice, they don’t go about looking like that.

  3. marvin — on 24th January, 2010 at 1:00 pm  

    At least there doesn’t seem to be any reports of innocents attacked because of their race, unlike the mob inspired by UAF rhetoric that attacked and robbed people based on their colour, including going for a journalist who was there to report the event (was that the one in Birmingham?)…

    UAF learnt their lesson? I doubt it. Don’t forget a lot of the UAF are morons too. Realising that they were seriously outnumbered is more likely.

  4. marvin — on 24th January, 2010 at 1:20 pm  

    I’m going to mention the “other side” of the story, because if this was a group of say 1,500 black and asian faces protesting because they was angry at something, many here would go out of their way to explain it’s not their fault, they’re provoked in to it etc, etc.

    I’m not going to do that. The criminals who did not demonstrate peacefully need to be arrested and prosecuted. They are entirely accountable for their actions.

    Superintendent Dave Mellor said: ‘The vast majority of demonstrators expressed their views peacefully.

    ‘However, the actions and behaviour of a small minority of protesters have been totally unacceptable and deplorable.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245642/Police-arrest-17-English-Defence-League-demonstration-clashes.html#ixzz0dXCRfbtx

    The people arrested are say 90% likely be racist hooligans intent on causing trouble. People always complain about when the media focus on the worst, most despicable Muslim faces as if they are representative of a discontented Muslim youth.

    Are the scumbags who attacked officers representative of everyone at the EDL? Of course not. Many are decent, if misguided people, with grievances in their minds.

    Ben Richardson, 21, a bouncer from Wolverhampton, said: ‘I want the Government to change certain things.

    ‘Recently I saw a story about soldiers who came back from Afghanistan and they had to take their uniforms off before they could go in the airport.

    ‘We couldn’t tell a Muslim person or a Christian not to wear their burka or cross. We should respect everybody.’

    Whilst this might be a little confused, it conveys the general thrust of the case where New Labour governance has caused white-working class people to perceive minorities as getting preferential treatment and they themselves as being the bottom of the pile for ‘respect’. Which certainly has at least some truth in it, which Sunny himself has acknowledged on several occasions.

    Many are anti-Islamic which is not racist in itself, but far too many are simply anti-Muslim which is an intolerant, irrational and cold hearted view of others. These people need to be argued and reasoned with, to sort out the racists from the misguided and misled.

  5. MiriamBinder — on 24th January, 2010 at 1:55 pm  

    Oh bohoo Marvin …

  6. Dalbir — on 24th January, 2010 at 1:59 pm  

    The look like standard ‘Angry-Saxon’ yobbos to me.

  7. marvin — on 24th January, 2010 at 2:02 pm  

    Boohoo?!

    What’s wrong with you?

  8. Ravi Naik — on 24th January, 2010 at 2:16 pm  

    Many are anti-Islamic which is not racist in itself, but far too many are simply anti-Muslim which is an intolerant, irrational and cold hearted view of others. These people need to be argued and reasoned with

    Are you suggesting that we should reason with people that hold irrational views about Muslims?

  9. lfc4life — on 24th January, 2010 at 2:21 pm  

    Well since banning of groups has commenced the EDL are perfect candidates to be banned next what a bunch of racist morons they are. I though britain had moved on from the nasty racist NF and days of mindless hooligans obviously it hasn’t.

  10. Dalbir — on 24th January, 2010 at 2:28 pm  

    “I though britain had moved on from the nasty racist NF and days of mindless hooligans obviously it hasn’t.”

    You need to factor in silently racist fuckers in positions of power also.

    Problem with some decent English people is that they seem to want to ignore or run away from this side of their national character (for obvious reasons). They constantly want to play it down as an aberration – but it isn’t.

    Then they act surprised when rears its head. LIke………….huhhhhh???

    lol

  11. marvin — on 24th January, 2010 at 2:33 pm  

    Are you suggesting that we should reason with people that hold irrational views about Muslims?

    Absolutely old bean. Their probably obsessed with Islamic terror attacks, and don’t get to meet normal Muslims. I’ve argued with such people, and such people with irrational views about Jews. I’ve gotten some people to at least appear to agree some of their statements are nonsense…

  12. marvin — on 24th January, 2010 at 2:38 pm  

    lfc4life wants EDL banned.

    This is one of the problems with banning the Islam4UK group, even though they actually glorify terrorism and have links to terrorists. People don’t necessarily take this into account.

    People like lfc4life start to think they can ban all the groups they despise. They did not take in to consideration if they pose a terrorism risk, they simply see racism, and want to outlaw it. As if you can outlaw human feelings. And anyone saying anything that’s not very nice about anyone else.

    lc4life i don’t think a comparison with the NF holds up. They have asian and black members for a start…

  13. MiriamBinder — on 24th January, 2010 at 2:51 pm  

    @ Marvin # 7 – nothing wrong with me but it seems that attempting to deflect the utter moronic behaviour of one group to decry the legitimate condemnation of another to be very typical of the play ground ‘it ain’t fair!!!!!’

  14. resistor — on 24th January, 2010 at 2:52 pm  

    They look like men in burkas to me. Could they be a little confused about what they’re protesting against?

  15. Dalbir — on 24th January, 2010 at 3:01 pm  

    @14

    mega lol!

  16. damon — on 24th January, 2010 at 3:10 pm  
  17. marvin — on 24th January, 2010 at 4:57 pm  

    Damon, looks like they are pics from last year, going from the clue in the URL – 2009/04/02… Do you have the original article?

  18. BenSix — on 24th January, 2010 at 5:14 pm  

    I suspect Damon’s being ironic; those seem to be pictures from last year’s G20 march.

  19. Trofim — on 24th January, 2010 at 6:00 pm  

    “The (sic) look like standard ‘Angry-Saxon’ yobbos to me”.
    “Problem with some decent English people is that they seem to want to ignore or run away from this side of their national character (for obvious reasons)”.

    Blimey that Dalbir is perceptive! He can tell people’s genetics even through a balaclava.

    But hang on, haven’t thousands of words been expounded on this site explaining that Englishmen are mongrels? Do mongrels have a national character? Is it genetic? Isn’t making generalisations about a nation based on a few atypical examples known as “stereotyping”, and isn’t “stereotyping” frowned on in leftish circles? Does Dalbir have irrational ideas about mongrels? Answers on a postcard please.

  20. Boyo — on 24th January, 2010 at 6:26 pm  

    “Boohoo?!

    What’s wrong with you?”

    It’s not her fault Marvin – Miriam is Madeleine Bunting’s mini-me…

  21. Sunny — on 24th January, 2010 at 6:41 pm  

    It’s not her fault Marvin – Miriam is Madeleine Bunting’s mini-me…

    And you two are Rod Liddle’s little minions obviously

  22. MiriamBinder — on 24th January, 2010 at 6:44 pm  

    Oh how they wish Sunny … how they wish ;)

  23. lfc4life — on 24th January, 2010 at 6:49 pm  

    #17 marvin

    EDL not racist nice joke whats next you gona tell me the BNP love asians and blacks pull the other one you sound as desperate as the drunk racist morons in that video!

  24. Dalbir — on 24th January, 2010 at 6:58 pm  

    #19

    Blimey that Dalbir is perceptive! He can tell people’s genetics even through a balaclava.

    Oh sorry, they may have been Swedes huh? If it says English on the box…..etc.

    Besides, you try and tell the typical English yobbo types they are mongrels. They’ll be like:

    “I’m not ‘aving any of it guvnor! You fackin’ wot son!”.

    They perceive themselves as some ancient race of super Anglo-Saxon humans. A superior race…….as is patently demonstrated by the drunken chest beating exercises they like to indulge in on the weekend. First it was the crucial issue of which football team supporters were the best and not a bunch of ‘cunts’, now it seems to be about “those brownies on our street givin’ it large…neva…Engerland, Engerland, Engerland!”. They ignore their own people wondering around in other countries armed with guns ‘givin it large’.

    Their generally inability to pass GCSE’s is irrelevant to them in all this btw.

    Meanwhile, the middle class English, run around trying to deny they are related in any way, shape or form.

  25. Boyo — on 24th January, 2010 at 7:35 pm  

    I’m better looking than Rod Liddle.

  26. eaton — on 24th January, 2010 at 7:42 pm  

    they dont wear baclavas for nothing some of these guys can be attacked in their hometowns. so they protect their indentity.

  27. Sunny — on 24th January, 2010 at 7:45 pm  

    I’m better looking than Rod Liddle.

    Not really jumping a high bar there are you?

  28. Rumbold — on 24th January, 2010 at 8:05 pm  

    Heh Resistor and Sunny.

    It is always important to try and understand why a person does something. That doesn’t mean that you have to in any way condone it.

  29. Old Pickler — on 25th January, 2010 at 12:31 am  

    Perhaps they are a “tiny minority of extremists” etc etc

  30. damon — on 25th January, 2010 at 3:06 am  

    ”Allah blew our coach up”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQAkdrUUkiE

  31. Kismet Hardy — on 25th January, 2010 at 3:59 am  

    Don’t these guys in the pic realise they look like they’re wearing niqabs?!

    Fashion envy, methinks

  32. Kismet Hardy — on 25th January, 2010 at 4:01 am  

    (Dammit. Post 14 got there first.)

  33. Boyo — on 25th January, 2010 at 7:42 am  

    “It is always important to try and understand why a person does something.” Heh. That would be a first.

  34. MiriamBinder — on 25th January, 2010 at 8:54 am  

    @ Damon # 30 – What a charming bunch … did they ever make it to Stoke or where the rest left to cause mayhem all on their ownsome I wonder?

  35. Web Marketing Company — on 25th January, 2010 at 12:03 pm  

    Its always a crucial idea that you can build up a platform for it.

  36. Soso — on 25th January, 2010 at 5:01 pm  

    What Trofim said on the 24th

  37. persephone — on 25th January, 2010 at 9:46 pm  

    Dressed like that I expect the stop & search officers would be hot at their heels…but I expect it was not so

  38. Trofim — on 25th January, 2010 at 10:54 pm  

    37@

    Don’t non-Muslims have a right to cover their faces too? What’s sauce for the goose . . .

  39. persephone — on 25th January, 2010 at 11:27 pm  

    @38

    Lets stick to the point. Did they get stopped & searched? Since asian/s (whether muslim or no) on a street get randomly stopped & searched even when not making any overt actions did the EDL not get stopped & searched if they were in a group amidst racist shouting & swearing etc?

    Also, if the whole point of a demonstration is to publicly show support for your opinion why cover up if you do not normally do so in your everyday life? How do you know that they are non muslims?

  40. MiriamBinder — on 26th January, 2010 at 12:53 am  

    @ Trofim # 38 – Are you claiming the demonstrators dressed in that way as a form of protest rather then merely to disguise their identity? Do you know this for a fact and if so have you any evidence to back up this claim? I’m sure I’m not the only one who would love to see some evidence that would contradict the general impression of moronic thuggishness this veritable shower of brainless oi(n)ks presents us with.

    Alternatively of course, you are merely surmising in a desperate attempt to make two wrongs amount to one right ;)

  41. douglas clark — on 26th January, 2010 at 4:38 am  

    persephone @ 39,

    Not only did they get stopped and searched, some of them got arrested.

    Good.

  42. Trofim — on 26th January, 2010 at 9:43 am  

    @39 & 40

    I don’t claim evidence for the motivation of these people, besides which, motivation is irrelevant. I have seen reams recently suggesting that to prevent people from covering their faces with a piece of cloth is an affront to liberal values and a denial of a basic human right – namely, to wear what one wishes. To me it would seem discriminatory to limit this according to religion and gender, or even circumstance. Equal treatment before the law is a basic good. Anyway, if provisions are made to limit this right to members of a certain religion and gender, there are ways round that. I shall nominally become a member of that religion, and I don’t see why having testicles, a beard, a deep voice and a penis should preclude me from regarding myself as a woman. I feel like one. Isn’t that enough? After all, if you can choose your ethnicity on a census form, I don’t see why you shouldn’t choose your gender. I’ve been doing it for years.
    Now, I would like to continue this conversation, but on Tuesdays I have to go to my home village for a day or two to fulfil my filial obligations, and there is no broadband there. All the best, without rancour.

  43. MiriamBinder — on 26th January, 2010 at 10:13 am  

    Have a nice visit Trofim …

  44. persephone — on 26th January, 2010 at 12:28 pm  

    In the absence of Trofim but to cover things raised:

    “motivation is irrelevant “

    Not where wearing a balaclava is accompanied by shouting racist abuse and swearing within a week of a national security alert being upped?

    “I have seen reams recently suggesting that to prevent people from covering their faces with a piece of cloth is an affront to liberal values and a denial of a basic human right – namely, to wear what one wishes”

    There’s also much coverage relating to why such coverings should not be allowed. When PP covers issues surrounding burqa’s, niqabs etc they prove to be long discussions – in as much as those for & those against them.

    Face coverings are covered alot because they are an easy target to latch onto by the media & groups such as the BNP – I say easy since it is a very visual, simple & tangible symbol of a religion and therefore exploited as an aspect of difference.

  45. The Common Humanist — on 26th January, 2010 at 10:49 pm  

    Hi All
    Am late to this but having covered and written up the Leeds demo – that Sunny was kind enough to publish – I must just say that the Stoke demo seems to have been of a much more hard core then the Leeds one.

    Development of the EDL or just differing people?

    I don’t know yet but am keeping an eye out on them.

    Why? Well, We all laughed at Abu Hamza et al and they turned out to be mass murderers – directly or indirectly. I don’t think we should make that mistake about white extremism as there are already bodies in the ground and the situation is far from a joke.

  46. The ghost of Joe Strummer — on 26th January, 2010 at 11:14 pm  

    Yes, they’re contemptible etc but when the middle classes have spent years ignoring the mass of white working class people and the left has sold them down the river, this is the result.

    Things need to improve economically and socially for these people or things will get worse. What we think of their behaviour will make no difference at all.

    How do we stop young poor white men from becoming fascists? Who can they vote for that will address their issues?

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