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  • Daily Express in idiotic headline shock


    by Sunny
    20th August, 2006 at 5:53 pm    

    Yes, I know, it is the Daily Express. Getting worked up about the stupidity of a newspaper that is generally regarded as a joke is a waste of time, but quite a few of our readers are annoyed about this so it deserves mentioning.

    A recent YouGov poll found that three-quarters of respondents agreed with the statement: “We are in a world war against Islamic terrorists who threaten the West’s way of life.” The question itself is idiotic. How exactly does one define the “west’s way of life”? Do Christian evangelicals and secular atheists count? Do neo-cons and Greenpeace activists count? Anyway. In response, the Daily Express ran a front-page headline stating: Britain says: we’re at war with Islam. Make sure you complain.


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    1. jonz — on 20th August, 2006 at 6:24 pm  

      So Islam is allowed to be at war with us, but not the other way round. That’s nice.

    2. Vladimir — on 20th August, 2006 at 6:30 pm  

      Interesting comment Jonz, as always… to be honest I am just glad that at least they don’t have ‘saint’ Diana on the front page!

    3. jonz — on 20th August, 2006 at 6:36 pm  

      to be honest I am just glad that at least they don’t have ’saint’ Diana on the front page!

      LOL. Couldn’t agree more. I would be all for complaining to the Express for their obssesive compulsive coverage of Diana.

    4. Sunny — on 20th August, 2006 at 6:45 pm  

      So Islam is allowed to be at war with us

      Who said it was j0nz?

    5. jonz — on 20th August, 2006 at 6:51 pm  

      Sunny I just think it’s incredibly unfair to instantly attack anyone who says anything that might be ‘inflamatory’ to Islam - considering the current climate of hatred towards the British in general, and in light of the recent terror arrests?

      Please could you explain why this is such a terrible headline and why the editors of the Daily Express should receive a bunch of whinging and possibly abusive emails over this over this headline?

    6. Old Pickler — on 20th August, 2006 at 7:00 pm  

      Instead of talking about war with Islam, sensible people should talk about war on jihad. That way Muslims have to distance themselves from the jihadi doctrine and those who follow it.

    7. jonz — on 20th August, 2006 at 7:09 pm  

      Can I rephrase you Sunny

      How exactly does one define the “west’s way of life”? . The question itself is idiotic.

      Silly things like democracy, freedom of speech, equal rights, science over superstition, art and music and self-expression.

    8. raz — on 20th August, 2006 at 7:12 pm  

      Did anyone hear this:

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/5267884.stm

      British passengers refused to fly because of a couple of Asian looking men on board!

    9. leon — on 20th August, 2006 at 7:12 pm  

      The word jihad means struggle as far as I understand it; that some barbaric criminals have co-opted it for their agenda doesn’t mean we have too.

    10. Kulvinder — on 20th August, 2006 at 7:15 pm  

      Please could you explain why this is such a terrible headline and why the editors of the Daily Express should receive a bunch of whinging and possibly abusive emails over this over this headline?

      Because as sunny said its ambigious to the point of being worthless, there isn’t a definitive notion of what constitutes ‘the west’ geographically let alone culturally. Id even query the concept of ‘world war’ - that terror attacks occur worldwide is an undeniable fact, whether that constitutes a ‘world war’ in the traditional sense of multiple players within nationalistic ideologies is another matter entirely.

      A reversal of the question ‘we are in a world war against western imperialists who threaten islam’ would be equally ludicrous.

    11. leon — on 20th August, 2006 at 7:16 pm  

      Silly things like democracy, freedom of speech, equal rights, science over superstition, art and music and self-expression.

      So the US isn’t part of the west? Democracy? One word: Florida. Freedome of Speech? Corporate media. Equal Rights, sure, ask the average black person and watch how they laugh! Science over Superstition? Hmmm religion is not a problem in the US? Never heard of Pro lifers blowing up abortion clinics? Art, music etc? HAHAHAHHAHAAH! Yes, crap films, shit music and erm, Britney Spears!

      *applauses Jonz’ amazing understanding of the world*

    12. jonz — on 20th August, 2006 at 7:17 pm  

      Leon, I am really not concerned with those Muslims who chose to interpret jihad as an inner struggle. That’s all very nice, and well done to them for not killing people.

      But we just need to explain to the hundreds of thousands Islamic terrorists that they ‘have got it wrong’. Though I doubt whether they’d take too kindly to that…

    13. leon — on 20th August, 2006 at 7:18 pm  

      To be clear, there is much to like about America and especially it’s peoples but jonZs definations are a complete joke. Sunny, you’ve rightly pointed out the idiocy of that poll, the world Western is debased in meaning, meant to provoke an simplistic us vs them emotive mindset and not much else.

    14. jonz — on 20th August, 2006 at 7:18 pm  

      #11 Leon you sounded ever so slightly high pitched there :)

    15. Kulvinder — on 20th August, 2006 at 7:19 pm  

      Silly things like democracy, freedom of speech, equal rights, science over superstition, art and music and self-expression.

      Even if you took a standardised measure of every concept you mention (which isn’t a trivial task) it would map onto substantial parts of the world. There are countries Africa that would meet every one of those ‘tests’ yet they aren’t seen as ‘western’.

    16. leon — on 20th August, 2006 at 7:19 pm  

      And another thing; why are we taking this poll seriously? The questions are suspect and it methodology are doubtful (You Gov pay online users money to participate).

    17. Don — on 20th August, 2006 at 7:20 pm  

      The Express misrepresented the poll. The question was;
      ‘We are in a world war against Islamic terrorists …’
      which the Express chose to report as ‘…at war with Islam.’

      You don’t have to be a genius (or Noam Chomsky) to see the difference.

      Only 28% disagreed that most British moslems are moderate. So clearly most people do not think we are in a war against Islam per se. The Express decided to twist the story rather than report it accurately, in order to be inflamatory.

      As for the actual question, ‘are we in a world war against Islamic terrorists who threaten the West’s way of life?’. Well, the terrorists themselves seem very clear about it, and are defining ‘the West’s way of life’ fairly broadly. If the dickheads who plant bombs on public transport (and those who justify and support them) want to consider themselves at war with me, I’m fine with that.

      j0nz, I would agree that it is wrong to attack anyone who says anything critical about Islam, whether the religion itself or the way in which some of adherents choose to interpret it. But your use of the word ‘inflamatory’ didn’t, in this instance, need scare quotes. That is exactly what the Express is doing; deliberately inflaming an already tense situation by misrepresenting the news to cause fear and thereby sell more of their nasty rag.

    18. leon — on 20th August, 2006 at 7:20 pm  

      Leon you sounded ever so slightly high pitched there

      *deep manly voice*

      I just get giggle fits when people talk complete bollox!

    19. jonz — on 20th August, 2006 at 7:23 pm  

      Come on Leon, this is the Daily Express after all, do you really expect them to go into a lenghty definition of what one actually ‘means’ by the West?!

      meant to provoke an simplistic us vs them emotive mindset and not much else.

      That’s what happens when you start fights with people Leon. We can’t all be touchy-feelty liberals who want to ‘understand’ and ‘empathise’ with those hoodies that beat the living day lights of out of some kid for his mobile…

      In short, it’s not ‘us’ who is giving a simplistic mindset. I have already stated in #12 that I make a clear distinction between peaceful and non-peaceful Muslims.

    20. Old Pickler — on 20th August, 2006 at 7:23 pm  

      Leon - if the US is so bad, how come so many people are clamouring to live there, including people from Muslim countries? Why aren’t people from the US desperate to live in Muslim countries?

      Do you know how many people have been killed in the bombing of abortion clinics, that tired old piece of moral equivalence that is always trotted out to prove that the fundamentalist Christians are just as bad?

      Seven. Yes. A wapping seven.

      Now, how many rape victims have been stoned to death in Iran? More than seven.

    21. jonz — on 20th August, 2006 at 7:24 pm  

      And another thing; why are we taking this poll seriously?

      Well AIM and Sunny obviously are ;)

    22. raz — on 20th August, 2006 at 7:25 pm  

      The idea that Islamic terrorists ‘threaten our way of life’ is hysterical, because it implies that somehow AQ has the capability to overthrow our nation and impose their values upon us. Given how pathetic and weak AQ is in comparison to the West, this is obviously laughable. They can’t even overthrow poor Muslim countries, and somehow they are going to take over the infintely more powerful West?! And, as I’ve stated before, poor countries like India and Pakistan (where many of us on this blog hail from)have endured terrorism on a scale far greater than anything the UK has ever seen, and have not come close to being defeated or giving in to the terrorists. So let’s have some sober perspective here. AQ are a serious threat to innocent lives, but a threat to ‘our way of life’? Not a chance.

    23. raz — on 20th August, 2006 at 7:27 pm  

      Old Pickler, how many people have been killed by the Christian Lord’s Resistance Army in Uganda? How many people did Christians kill in Rwanda? How many people died at the hands of Christians at Sbrenicia? How many people did Christians kill at Sabra/Shatila?

    24. northern_scum — on 20th August, 2006 at 7:29 pm  

      MY friend was on that flight from Malaga to Manchester, she didn’t complain about the two guys but apparently they were speaking ARABIC! (well they think it was Arabic)…All this hysteria is going too far but hey better to be safe than sorry huh?

      WE all know the type of ppl who read the Daily Express. It is a serious pile of wank

    25. jonz — on 20th August, 2006 at 7:33 pm  

      AQ are a serious threat to innocent lives, but a threat to ‘our way of life’? Not a chance.

      Raz, briefly, and partially I will agree with you there. I think the biggest victories will be given in gradual concessions to Islamic ideology, i.e. Sharia for family disputes, effective support for laws against ‘blaspheming’ against Mohammed. This small victories will result in a great diminishing of the West’s freedom and tolerance for ALL, man or woman, religious or non-religious.

      And only partially, since we cannot be complacent. I don’t doubt that AQ would launch a nuclear or chemical attack against the US for example, ‘Allah permitting’. They already have fatwas stating up to 4 million innocent Americans can die in one go.

    26. Sajn — on 20th August, 2006 at 8:01 pm  

      Do you seriously believe that there are “hundreds of thousands Islamic terrorists”?

    27. jonz — on 20th August, 2006 at 8:19 pm  

      Do you seriously believe that there are “hundreds of thousands Islamic terrorists”?

      Well there’s certainly millions of Islamic extremists and supporters of Islamic terrrorism. I guess it all boils down to your definition of terrorist.

      There are around 1,600,000,000 Muslims on the planet. 100,000 would equate to 0.006% of the total Muslim population. So I don’t think it’s that far fetched, do you???

    28. jonz — on 20th August, 2006 at 8:22 pm  

      Sajin

      ALMOST a quarter of British Muslims say the 7/7 bombings can be justified because of the Government’s support for the war on terror, according to an opinion poll.

      And nearly half of those polled, or 45 per cent, believe the 9/11 attacks on New York were a conspiracy between the United States and Israel.

      http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=1145782006

      And yet, when the British public or the media try to point out that and risk saying something ‘inflamatory’ towards Islam, that’s terrible, and should be condemned?

    29. seekeroftruth — on 20th August, 2006 at 9:02 pm  

      There is obviously a military conflict between a radical section of Islam and the neocon section of the west. Now some people (Jewish zionists/neocons/militant secularists/demented Muslims/al-qaeda/militant Islamists ) with various agendas would like it to become more than that. There are many others who still aspire for freedom and justice (most of the world citizens) and also want political resolutions to various issues and basically are not war mongerers. It is upto every one to decide which group they want to join- the war mongerers or ones who want peace with justice.

    30. jonz — on 20th August, 2006 at 9:12 pm  

      It is upto every one to decide which group they want to join- the war mongerers or ones who want peace with justice.

      How does that fit in with world play in 1937? Or perhaps the war between North and South America?

      The most important thing is of course, just don’t rock the boat.

    31. seekeroftruth — on 20th August, 2006 at 9:51 pm  

      Jonz: It is pretty rich of you to compare intermittent terrorists events with 1937 when neocons are bent on senseless wars in Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon and elsewhere.
      Sorry to say the world is more complex that your ‘Islam=nazism’ kind of thinking.

    32. Bikhair aka Taqiyyah — on 20th August, 2006 at 10:19 pm  

      jOnz,

      “How exactly does one define the “west’s way of life”? . The question itself is idiotic.”

      How so? There are different and often contradictory ways of life in the West.

      “Silly things like democracy, freedom of speech, equal rights, science over superstition, art and music and self-expression.”

      Not to mention even sillier things likes, Communism, Nazism, Socialism, Fascism etc. You see Jonz over time the “West” has been many things, good and bad, tolerable, and intolerable, free, not so free. The “West” is a huge geograhical, cultural, social, historical entity that has gone through tons of changes and continues to go through changes because these pesky little beings called people happen to constitute what it is. You know how unpredictable people can be.

    33. Sunny — on 20th August, 2006 at 10:25 pm  

      Bikhair - don’t confuse j0nz! It’s hard enough for him to remember who to be angry at every day and all those ‘Muzlim terrrists” who steal his cereal in the morning. How is he supposed to remember how diverse and contradictory the “west” is. He prefers only to remember the simple things in life.

    34. Bikhair aka Taqiyyah — on 20th August, 2006 at 10:36 pm  

      Sunny,

      The worst part about Jonz is that he offers no satisfaction for my ever increasing ego. He is way too stupid. What joy can you take out of picking on the disabled?

      How unPC.

    35. Quinlan — on 21st August, 2006 at 4:35 am  

      “We are in a world war against Islamic terrorists who threaten the West’s way of life.” The question itself is idiotic. How exactly does one define the “west’s way of life”?

      I like your mission statement. It is clear and well defined. How then can you ask such an arcane question as the above? It deserves only an arcane answer, such as, the west’s way of life is not the east’s way of life. Your point is a non sequitur.

      Like must other mainstream media the Daily Express’s only interested is in meeting sales targets, which is why it deliberately puts out drivel like this; drivel designed to mislead and sap the public’s ability to think.

      Don’t fall into their trap and reduce important issues to semantics; semantics which could easily be applied to the word Islamic - Wahhabist, Sunni, Shia, Druze, name your flavour.

      This is not the point, unless you see Islam as a notional nation above all others which, 20 years ago, wasn’t how Iraq and Iran saw it as they killed the prime of their nationhood in war.

      The Daily Express may be a competitor of Murdoch and DMGT, but Richard Desmond is a publisher for the same reason, numbers and money; and he is selfish enough not to care what happens to the current generation or the next and his poor reporters are only thinking about their inflated paychecks and continued employment if they make their numbers.

      Surely a more pressing question for address and debate is the recent speech by Doctor-of-Political-Theory Mr. Tamimi who tells Muslims they are Muslims in Europe, not European Muslims. Here is another man with a self-serving agenda that doesn’t give a tinkers cuss about what happens to ordinary people of any race, creed, or colour.

      You say you are young and willing to challenge norms. If that is the case don’t dissipate your talents in this frivolous way. Stick with your mission, it is good. Question the reasons behind the question not the question per se.

    36. Kismet Hardy — on 21st August, 2006 at 7:38 am  

      “How then can you ask such an arcane question as the above? It deserves only an arcane answer, such as, the west’s way of life is not the east’s way of life. Your point is a non sequitur.”

      No it isn’t.

      The fact that the trees are still in the field and this yields us the fruit we need for the jam we hope to spread on our toasties next time the Pemberton’s come over to discuss George & Mildred’s christmas special from 1981

      That’s a non sequitur

      The question presented makes perfect sense

    37. Quinlan — on 21st August, 2006 at 9:06 am  

      Kismet, you don’t get it do you?

    38. Bert Preast — on 21st August, 2006 at 10:06 am  

      What makes the “west’s way of life” such fun is that it takes millions of books to define it. Not just a couple.

      I don’t see where this idea that the indefinable is worthless and the easily defined isn’t has come from?

    39. Kismet Hardy — on 21st August, 2006 at 10:41 am  

      “Kismet, you don’t get it do you?”

      Nope. Even when I try to pay them

    40. saurav — on 21st August, 2006 at 12:55 pm  

      How exactly does one define the “west’s way of life”?

      Government of, by, and for consumer capitalism? :)

    41. Quinlan — on 21st August, 2006 at 2:01 pm  

      Kismet said: Nope. Even when I try to pay them
      Concede 15 love for that one.

      What I am trying to say, obviously badly, is that I chanced on a great product (site) here and it seems a shame (to me) to play the mainstream media game instead of savagely attacking lame articles like the DE’s for playing mind games with such horlicks.

      Go for the jugular guys. You can be really mainstream if you want. The writing is much better, and sharper, than say the Huffington Post.

    42. Sunny — on 21st August, 2006 at 2:24 pm  

      instead of savagely attacking lame articles like the DE’s for playing mind games with such horlicks.

      Quinlan, I thought that’s exactly what I was doing?

    43. Quinlan — on 21st August, 2006 at 4:00 pm  

      As an outsider coming in, and of course everyone will have their own take, it struck me as being a little too subtle and nice, like a clever clip to short leg instead of a whack for 6.

      Most of the press seems to be run by Murdoch, DMGT, or Nothern and Shell, and manipulated, as in the Ministry of Truth, to keep people twitching and twittering.

      There is no desire to achieve resolution or lead public opinion, for in press terms, Resolution is Death, Conflict is Money, etc.

      Check out Orwell Rolls in his Grave by Robert Kane Pappas if you haven’t already.

    44. Yakoub/Julaybib — on 21st August, 2006 at 5:34 pm  

      Dear Editor

      In response to your further demonising my community and inflaming tensions such that violent attacks against British Muslims are now more likely than ever.

      I wish I could believe that there was a moral bone in even one body of the scum employed at your newspaper. I wish I could believe the Press Complaints Commission was anything more than a toothless crone at the side of your thuggish denigration of intelligent discourse. In your so-called democracy, I wish I could do more than piss in the wind against press barons who don’t give a toss if Pakis get murdered because of what their newspaper’s write.

      Thank you for acting as my recruiting sergeant.

      Osama bin Laden

    45. Don — on 21st August, 2006 at 5:59 pm  

      But surely Desmond demonstrated his commitment to the asian community when he off-loaded Asian Babes to another low-life?

      Oh, the hell with satire, he’s a money-grubbing pornographer and several other things I could describe were it not for landing Sunny with a libel action.

    46. Quinlan — on 22nd August, 2006 at 3:23 am  

      “I wish I could do more than piss in the wind against press barons”

      But you can and are, surely?

      The internet is seeing the emergence of blogs, soapboxes on every street corner if you like, and we know that the majority of them are derivative and commenting on comment, but even so, they are a new force in terms of media if harnessed.

      They are a force because they allow everyone a say, albeit, within the controls imposed by their respective governments and laws.

      The next paradigm is for blogs to come together, to create a platform, which is what PickledPolitics is, along with the Huffington Post and others.

      The Huffington Post is mainstream white collar, low brow, comfy America and PickledPolitcs, obviously, isn’t. So what is PickledPolitics in the greater structure of things?

      In marketing terms it is a unique platform, bridging as it does several worlds. It has vibrancy and verve that HP can never achieve because of the nature of its mission and positioning statements and the people who run it. Although you may not think so, it is potentially a very desirable commodity, especially in the eyes of the mainstream press.

      We kid ourselves the mainstream press has no control over the internet, but we should be aware that Murdoch and GWB, along with son of Colin Powell in the form of the FCC, are certainly trying to think up ways to extend control.

      The only such lever open to the establishment at the moment is money and Ad revenue is currently the greatest money spinner on the web. We have gone through banners and pop-ups and portals, and now the latest business model is Google in-line ads that are keyword driven.

      Platforms that emerge, like HP and PP, will at some point be offered money as inducements and then more money to allow the mainstream editorial control. As a means of gaining control of the web it will be a slow process, but, platforms will have the option of selling out, or if really successful doing an IPO.

      Sorry to be long winded, and apologize if this seems like a lecture, but to come back to the point made by Yakoub/Julaybib.

      The mainstream press is lazy and morally corrupt. By attacking the mainstream press and its writers on an individual basis through editorials, you will increase credence, therefore acceptance, therefore influence and so sway as a platform and in so doing, value in monetary terms. At which point a new dilemma kicks in.

      The blogoverse is a peasant’s army looking for Wat Tylers. The sly tyranny we face is clear enough, and the weapon to use against it is editorials that can be circulated elsewhere. Take heart.

    47. Kismet Hardy — on 22nd August, 2006 at 4:12 am  

      Thank you for your kind, encouraging words Quinlan. I’m often struck down by the pylon of introspection and into a chasm of doubt as to whether the posts I put up here are really of any relevance, but you have given me a new lease of life and I’m ready to return to the arena to share my insights designed to make you think and that, as you suggest, may indeed help change the world. So it is with gratitude that I dedicate the following to you, my friend and fellow, Quinlan.

      As I lay wanking, I was suddenly overcome with the desire to fuck something in the fridge. What would I find in there? A watermelon, some swiss cheese perhaps, or will I roger a carton of milk? So there I was, butt bollock naked with a britney spear hard enough to pierce through metal when I asked myself: how much would it hurt to place my testicles into a garlic crusher and squeeze really hard?

      I don’t know where it comes from. This genius. But I’m honoured that I can share it with you. I hope it helps make your world a better place.

      I have no friends, in case you’re wondering.

    48. Quinlan — on 23rd August, 2006 at 2:38 am  

      Kismet, it certainly does help. Humour is everything and you have that in spades, raised to a quintessential level by an almost Lenny Bruce edginess. Keep up the brilliant posts. The world is watching and you’ll soon have more friends than you ever thought possible.

    49. Sunny — on 23rd August, 2006 at 2:57 am  

      The Huffington Post is mainstream white collar, low brow, comfy America and PickledPolitcs, obviously, isn’t. So what is PickledPolitics in the greater structure of things?

      We’re coming up to our one year anniversay Quinlan. Lots of ideas planned and things to be laid out. Keep watching and reading…

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