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    BNP terrorist jailed


    by Rumbold on 16th January, 2010 at 8:22 PM    

    Terence Gavan, a ‘former’ (his current status is unclear) gold member of the BNP has been sentenced to eleven years in prison after pleading guilty in late November. Mr. Gavan was found to have:

    12 firearms and 54 improvised explosive devices, which included nail bombs and a booby-trapped cigarette packet, at the home Gavan shared with his mother.

    The BNP called his sentence “correct”, although refused to clarify his membership status. Given that senior figures in the BNP have recently praised violence and not been reprimanded, it is unclear how genuine their statements are.


         
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    1. douglas clark — on 16th January, 2010 at 8:31 PM  

      Point.

      Should the BNP be banned on the same basis that I4UK were banned, or not?

      Allegedly ex members doing nasty things. What’s the difference?

    2. Rumbold — on 16th January, 2010 at 8:36 PM  

      Douglas:

      I don’t think either should be banned. But more people need to recognise that the BNP are not some harmless ‘protest vote’.

    3. MaidMarian — on 16th January, 2010 at 8:53 PM  

      Rumbold -

      1) Neither should be banned, though all of their members should respect the law.

      2) The BNP are indeed not a harmless protest vote, but a big part of their stratgey seems to be dedicated to presenting them as such.

      3) The BNP have called the sentence, ‘correct,’ and I don’t really see what more they can do. They are not obligated to confirm if someone is a member except for under certain conditions like large donations (as I understand it, happy to be corrected!).

      4) That this guy is/was/maybe a BNP member does not really seem like the story there. Man with a cache of weapons has strident politics - hardly a shocker.

      5) It is only a matter of time before someone on here says this bloke is admirable in a Jonas Hodges type of way. Sad. What I suspect this shows is an urgent need to revive politics as a whole.

      6) You perhaps ought to congratulate law enforcement on a job well done?

    4. douglas clark — on 16th January, 2010 at 9:05 PM  

      MaidMarian,

      1. Agreed

      2. Agreed

      3. Bit dodging the issue?

      4. No different from ex I4UK folk is it? So why is one banned and the other not?

      5. Not me. Not ever. Who the hells Jonas Hodge?

      6. Sure.

    5. Rumbold — on 16th January, 2010 at 9:08 PM  

      MaidMarian:

      The police and courts did a good job. Wll done.

      The BNP aren’t obliged to confirm or deny anything, but it is a legitimate point to raise if a senior member of a party that proposes certain things is willing to use violence to carry out those aims, especially as he was/is a gold member. How much influence did he have in the party? Were party officials aware of his views, and so on?

    6. douglas clark — on 16th January, 2010 at 9:18 PM  

      Rumbold,

      In another galaxy, far, far away, the BNP would be obligated to reveal his membership status. Just as I4UK should be required to reveal theirs….

      I am an equal opportunities geek.

    7. MiriamBinder — on 16th January, 2010 at 9:24 PM  

      I agree with Rumbold in that neither Islam4Uk nor the BNP should be banned. I do think however that it is rather telling that a lot of the latest crop of ‘white’ weapon stock pilers have/have had links with the BNP. However I think it is telling in that it appears to indicate that the BNP is a point on the spiral where you start out with a normal well adjusted human being and you end up with an extremist who thinks that stock piling bomb making equipment in a bedroom is perfectly acceptable behaviour.

      To what extent the BNP is responsible? Who knows? Probably as much as the BNP tends to hold other groups as responsible for the actions of a few. It certainly seems that the BNP is rather like the average glass house dweller given to throwing stones ;)

      Personally, I hold them no more responsible then I hold the average Muslim responsible for Abu Hamza, the knicker-bomber or Islam4UK.

    8. douglas clark — on 16th January, 2010 at 9:34 PM  

      MiriamBinder @ 7,

      I, sort of, agree with that.

      It is more or less how I’d like the world to be.

      But it assumes more personal moral agency than most of us are able to demonstrate, does it not?

      Folk tend towards tribalism, whether it is the BNP or I4UK. There is a tendancy to feel more comfortable in a group than as an individual. The protesters against the Danish cartoons had no sense of irony.

      As homo sapiens we seem to be happier as members of an identifiable group, rather than not.

      This causes all sorts of problems, but we can’t, seemingly, give it up.

      Which is why I do think there is a degree of collective responsibility for the actions of individuals. It is inherent in us to accept group norms.

      Anyway, I’m willing to stand corrected.

    9. Dalbir — on 16th January, 2010 at 9:55 PM  

      Indulging in the folly of crystal ball gazing, I wonder how the current cycle will pan out over the next few decades?

      Brownyphobia and especially Islamophobia seems to be here to stay for a little while at least. But one does get the sense that Brits may just become a smidgen less gung-ho towards jumping into conflicts than they customarily have been for a few centuries now. If so, it would be to their advantage. The symbiotic relationship between Anglo-aggression and jihadists and the the consequent symbiotic relationship between the actions of homegrown Al Qaeda wannabes and John Bull “Engerland” nutjobs like Mr. Gavan need weakening. This will take time. Brits need to move away from the old colonialist mindset to one which recognises and cheerfully accepts their diminished position in the globe today. ‘P***s’ also need to become ‘Off Season’, which sadly seems only likely in the face of the emergence of another ‘demonic nemesis’, or erstwhile ‘dragon’ which the followers of Saint George need to become preoccupied with attacking and subduing. The new dragon needs to distinctly not appear eastern or brown in complexion (Chinese anyone?). It will eventually happen, and I feel for the future receptors.

      With Obama in power, we thankfully have some brakes on full throttle politically ruthless WASPism, but on his inevitable departure we have yet to see if another evil wasp type leader taking the throne will re-energise the latent raw, ego-based, genius, devoid of conscience, self-centred aspirations that lurk deep within the soul of the UK hive.

      They say you don’t know what you’ve got until it’s gone. I look forward to the return of the days when I wasn’t representative of the model of the ‘enemy’. Until then don’t expect me to hold the punches.

    10. MiriamBinder — on 16th January, 2010 at 10:01 PM  

      Oh dear … maybe I am an anarchist after all ;)

      I should have made myself somewhat clearer I suppose.

      I do see the BNP as a step in the downward direction
      I also hold that the BNP would do well to recognise this and address this. I doubt very much that the BNP ever will. On those grounds alone, I see it perfectly reasonable to apply to the BNP the same standards of scrutiny they would apply to others and the same standard of moral responsibility they would hold others to.

      As for a degree of collective responsibility … if I accept a degree of collective responsibility then of necessity I must accept a corresponding lessening in the degree of personal accountability.

      Now I realise that the two statements above are sort of mutually exclusive in that I cannot on the one hand hold the BNP accountable and on the other insist on full personal accountability.

      By my choice I am all for personal accountability first and foremost. Therefore I cannot hold the BNP accountable for the actions of a few of its members/ex-members

      The BNP has a policy of holding recognisable groups accountable for the actions of a few its members. Therefore the BNP should be held collectively accountable for the actions of those few.

    11. douglas clark — on 16th January, 2010 at 11:59 PM  

      Dalbir @ 9,

      Marvellous piece of polemic. You remind me of Hunter S Thomson at his best.

      Quite what it had to do with this thread, or indeed reality generally, is beyond me.

      Complete rubbish of course. But truly great polemic owes no hostages to reason.

      Well done!

      Incidentally do you have any personal accountability other than to your muse? The trick of blaming everyone else for your obviously enormous problems wears a bit thin eventually.

      Just sayin’

    12. MaidMarian — on 17th January, 2010 at 12:10 AM  

      various - Douglas Clark - Don’t you watch 24? I’m sure if you Google Jonas Hodges….

      He was a fanatical anti-government character who ran a private military contractor and attacked the US govenment of President Allison.

      Rumbold - Are the BNP obligated to confirm/deny? Appreciated it is a fine line, but on balance I think not. It’s a bit like the moronic debates over Iraq about who attended what private meeting. The public line matters, how the BNP get to it is private business.

      Think of it this way. The BNP membership list got leaked. I know at least one name on that list is a university student who signed up to get BNP mailing for study puropses. A few people (luckily not including me) did it in the 1990s because study of the BNP was and possibly still is difficult. The cult of ‘transparency’ is not a wholly good thing.

      No - this is no different from Islam4UK, I agree. But the point remains that bans are no answer, debate is. Arguments about the administrative standing of individuals are a side-show.

    13. MaidMarian — on 17th January, 2010 at 12:21 AM  

      Dalbir - Or, to paraphrase, Identity politics is a matter of conflict.

      Were you just trying to be a mite provocative with your a priori moral condemnation there. I mean, there are other words for a priori moral condemnation….

      ‘They say you don’t know what you’ve got until it’s gone. I look forward to the return of the days when I wasn’t representative of the model of the ‘enemy’.’

      I don’t expect you to hold the punches, but knocking the chip off your shoulder might be a start.

    14. Dalbir — on 17th January, 2010 at 12:27 AM  

      Doug

      You just don’t get it.

      The whole issue of schzio reactions like the one seen by the Yorkhireman, is related to the conscious portrayal of the world in popular press outlets. They themselves are really exegites of the old wasp way of thinking. Seriously. You’re in denial of there being such a thing, I think.

      You’d be surprised at how the decisions made at the top effect ground level. Especially when the patriotic Brit media machine has to start ‘mind f*cking’ people to keep them compliant and generally supportive. That’s hard to do when those being demonised are also your neighbours and not some distant wogs that you only get to see or hear of in official ‘dispatches’.

      Just saying.

    15. Dalbir — on 17th January, 2010 at 12:30 AM  

      One question MaidMarian

      Unless I misread, I understand you are a bloke. Do you mind briefly explaining why you have a bird’s name as a moniker?

      Just intrigued. No need to answer if I’ve overtrod a boundary.

    16. MaidMarian — on 17th January, 2010 at 12:40 AM  

      Dalbir - I used to write on CiF under the name MaidMarian (I now write as Jed Bartlett). When I came to register with CiF I was watching the Tony Robinson/BBC classic Maid Marian and Her Merry Men and ‘Robin of Kensington’ was too long to register with.

      I changed to Jed Bartlett for no reason in particular other than I like the West Wing and Matt Albie was too obscure (Google Stidio 60 on the Sunset Strip).

      Oh - and you give far too much credit to the media.

    17. douglas clark — on 17th January, 2010 at 1:09 AM  

      Dalbir @ 14,

      I’m not in denial exactly. I just think that people like Terence Gavan are as atypical of mainstream white attitudes as I4UK are of muslim opinion. As for me and the Empire, we got divorced a long time ago.

      That’s hard to do when those being demonised are also your neighbours and not some distant wogs that you only get to see or hear of in official ‘dispatches’.

      Well, my experiences, on which I tend to rely, is that the muslims I have met are not much different from me. If anyone is naive, it is those that rely exclusively on media opinion.

    18. Bluebird — on 17th January, 2010 at 4:47 AM  

      The BNP has no hope of attaining power but the disturbing fact remains that the BNP alters the terms of the political debate merely by existing.

      That is its virtue and that is why the political class hates the BNP so passionately.

    19. MiriamBinder — on 17th January, 2010 at 5:15 AM  

      @ Bluebird # 18 - I agree that the BNP has altered the terms of political debate merely by existing. I disagree that it is necessarily a virtue. It has dragged down the polemics of political debate to the level of an infant school play-ground; vying with other groups in an effort to be recognised as the bigger victim.

    20. Dalbir — on 17th January, 2010 at 6:30 AM  

      If anyone is naive, it is those that rely exclusively on media opinion.

      When are you going to wake and realise that this is only going to become more and more common in an Americanised, dumbed downed Britain.

    21. Dalbir — on 17th January, 2010 at 6:49 AM  

      Oh – and you give far too much credit to the media.

      Okay, as well as sweeping the feeble minded masses in their scoop, those who would otherwise lurk under damp rocks also get an opportunity to see some sunlight. In this climate that deeply routed hate that more people than we like to admit feel gets a revitalising burst of oxygen.

      Wars do legitimise racism. Whether intentionally or unintentionally I don’t know. It isn’t any shock that some may prepare for the opportunity to act out their hate filled retribution fantasies in that atmosphere. I imagine there are a few nutjobs in most working class towns that are now frothing at the mouth at the prospect of a race war. However likely or unlikely that scenario is.

      That isn’t to say that other issues aren’t behind BNP growth though. Just that this one plays a big part in my honest opinion. But I’m sure you know this.

    22. MiriamBinder — on 17th January, 2010 at 7:17 AM  

      @ Dalbir # 21 - Why would you, or any other humane being for that matter, see it as desirable that, and I quote, “deeply routed hate that more people than we like to admit feel gets a revitalising burst of oxygen.”

      What is so admirable about deeply rooted (I assume that is your intention with ‘routed’) hatred be given revitalisation? Deeply rooted hatred is by and large based on nowt more then an emotional reflex, coupled with a level of ignorance and a misplaced belief in some arrogant superiority value?

      I thought that one of the primary reasons for preferring civilised society is that it allows for the shedding of primitive reflexes.

    23. Dalbir — on 17th January, 2010 at 8:53 AM  

      Miriam @ 22

      I think we probably see humans very differently. I see them as constantly struggling, grappling with negative emotions and forces, many stemming from within as well as external ones. How many people manage to grasp this and step above these ‘primitive reflexes’ (as you put them), seems limited.

      You talk about humane beings, I think that some people are not humane. People can easily be self serving and callous. It just takes a change in situation.

      I thought that one of the primary reasons for preferring civilised society is that it allows for the shedding of primitive reflexes.

      I don’t think this is true. The believe the most devious, inhumane schemes are not made by savage lowerclass unsophisticated people but the well educated and privileged. The so called civilised people. When they get it wrong, those beneath them in the ‘civilisation scale’ usually revert back to cave man antics.

    24. douglas clark — on 17th January, 2010 at 9:42 AM  

      Dalbir @ 20,

      Well, I hope not. Correct me if I am wrong but indications seem to be that BNP strength is not in mixed areas, but in predominately white areas adjacent to them. Which rather supports my idea, and your too, that:

      That’s hard to do when those being demonised are also your neighbours and not some distant wogs that you only get to see or hear of in official ‘dispatches’.

      I do not want to make too much of this but asylum seekers who were settled in working class areas of Glasgow and Manchester became pretty well liked in their local communities and direct action was taken to avoid their expulsion. In the Glasgow case, I seem to recall it was one of these ubiquitous white grannies that led the protests. You can read all about it here:

      http://tinyurl.com/yhgx3fq

      It’s just the first few paragraphs that are relevant.

      If the world was as cold and harsh a place as you imagine, I don’t think that would have happened, do you?

    25. Dalbir — on 17th January, 2010 at 9:58 AM  

      Don’t know Doug.

      I’ve only been hearing good things about the Scots from the freshies I meet who’ve lived there.

      Don’t be under any illusion though, there are many f**ked up places for ‘effniks’ here.

    26. MaidMarian — on 17th January, 2010 at 10:01 AM  

      Dalbir - ‘I see them [humans] as constantly struggling, grappling with negative emotions and forces, many stemming from within as well as external ones. How many people manage to grasp this and step above these ‘primitive reflexes’ (as you put them), seems limited.’

      Well that would explain why you have a chip on your shoulder!

      I don’t suppose that you hold out for one moment that people don’t see every detail of thier lives through the prism of identity politics? That they do not go out with the specific ideal of visiting misery on a racial basis? If your starting point is as you say it is then you are simply asking to be miserable.

      Is there no aspect of relevane to you outside of race? Fine, you have your own story and if you harbour such a grievance, I will leave that to you.

      But surely you must see how your a priori moral condemnation of individuals is probably doing more to stoke the race war you talk about than the Sun.

    27. Rumbold — on 17th January, 2010 at 10:04 AM  

      MaidMarian:

      I don’t think the BNP hasa resposibility to reveal information, and I didn’t agree with the leaking of the membership list. But it is right that we, and the security services, observe the BNP more closly as clearly violent radicals have links to them.

    28. MiriamBinder — on 17th January, 2010 at 10:05 AM  

      @ Dalbir # 23 - You srill have not explained why you think it so desireable that deeply rooted hatred be given revitalisation.

    29. MiriamBinder — on 17th January, 2010 at 10:07 AM  

      @ Rumbold # 27 - The BNP should be assessed using those self-same rules of scrutiny it demands others should be put under. After all, it is lead by example isn’t it?

    30. Dalbir — on 17th January, 2010 at 10:22 AM  

      #28

      Where did I say it was a desirable outcome? I was merely pointing out what happens.

    31. MiriamBinder — on 17th January, 2010 at 10:37 AM  

      @ Dalbir # 30 - I see … so effectivly it is just because the BNP has a policy of pandering to and fanning deeply rooted hatreds that deeply rooted hatreds are being oxiginated.

      And by the latest count they had something like just under 10,000 on their membership list - and no, I am not concerned with the names, details of occupation or boot size.

      Hardly indicative of a large number of individuals having these deeply rooted hates I would have said.

    32. Dalbir — on 17th January, 2010 at 10:38 AM  

      #26

      Firstly, I think that white people should be banned from using the phrase ‘chip on the shoulder’ towards effniks, it has a long history of being abused as a catch all to craftily diminish any argument without requiring any qualification. Not saying you are doing this, but be aware.

      On the main point the thing you fail to realiise is that speaking to the numpty bnp-umpties, you have to counter them on their level. So when they go on about x, y or z group, it is good to put them in place by countering with some home truths about the more negative contours about whites. It is a form of CBT for them and you shouldn’t miss a chance because that is the only thing that makes them stop and think from my experiences.

      So for instance, when they go on about Johnny Foreign “comin’ ere takin’ over da land, acting like they own da fuckin’ place” It is very good to forcefully remind them of what their white bretheren are/have been doing in Aus, NZ, US, SA etc. etc. to aborignes, red injuns and so forth. That stops them dead in their hypocritical tracks. Ta ra!!!

    33. Dalbir — on 17th January, 2010 at 10:44 AM  

      #31

      We have to strike a balance between not going into schizio territory, whilst also not being arrogantly complacent.

      Those figures are merely indicative. People supporting BNP ideas are not confined to registered members. Thinking that would be foolish to the extreme. Besides, it’s not about majorities anyway. Just having enough people to change the landscape so to speak.

    34. douglas clark — on 17th January, 2010 at 10:47 AM  

      Dalbir,

      I really wasn’t making a Scots -v- English point. It’s just that I don’t know as much about the situation in Manchester. Here’s a link though.

      http://boaztrust.org.uk/

    35. MaidMarian — on 17th January, 2010 at 10:50 AM  

      Rumbold - Yes, I agree that it would be reasonable for the security services to at the very least look at the BNP. Again though, drawing the line between ‘the party’ and ‘the individual’ is a mug’s game.

      Dalbir - I happen to think that those who come onto the internet to scream about racism should not be allowed to deny that they have a chip on their shoulder as it prevents them facing up to what their arguments really are - a priori moral condemnation.

      Because that’s what this is, isn’t it? This is about you grinding the racial axe? I don’t suppose it has crossed your mind that your experiences are not first and foremost in thinking when people form their views? That maybe your assumptions of inherent racism are just self-reinforcing? That your view of humanity is infact vile.

      and before you ask, no - I was not thinking about the empire when I thought about you.

    36. Dalbir — on 17th January, 2010 at 11:21 AM  

      #35

      I’ve never expected my own experiences to be central to anyone forming their views. Just something in the air for consideration. That doesn’t make them less important than the next opinion, and if you dislike them it doesn’t follow that I have this ubiquitious chip perched on my shoulder. Something you seriously need to get into your head is that you could never ever really know what it is actually like to be ethnic in the UK unless you are one. All of the liberal, lefty ‘empathy’ isn’t enough to understand. And it is wrong to stifle our expression.

      So whilst things change rapidly at ground level (and fuck knows in which way the cards will fall), I think it very important that alternative voices to those that are ‘acceptable’ to mainstream whites are heard. What you fail to grasp is that maybe there is some truth behind the contours of what we face as is being delineated. There is a truth behind the events of the last few centuries in terms of the brutal domination of people by western Europeans. This still has an impact on the globe and large swathes of lands such as those previously mentioned. This is no a priori moral condemnation as you contend, but simply an observation on a living reality. It is truth. Whilst you accuse me of ‘grinding the racial axe’ I can counter that you yourself are hiding skeltons in the metaphoric cupboards.

      The other point you made about my view on humanity just highlights your own simplistic understanding of the issues of racism in the UK. The truth is that if the shite ever hits the fan, WE on the receiving end will be tasked with resolving the matter. I say this knowing full well that any acts of aggression are likely to generally target males, not females. So this condemnation of our own tactics to face possible aggressive racism by people who don’t even face the crap is rubbish. Sure, we appreciate any support we receive but to try and hamper our own developing strategies at the alter of your own world view just doesn’t wash. Humanity isn’t vile, but it isn’t entirely made up of angelic types either.

    37. MiriamBinder — on 17th January, 2010 at 11:26 AM  

      @ Dalbir # 32 – A chip on a shoulder is a chip on a shoulder just as using a term such as ‘effniks’ is an a priori judgment that is by and large pejorative.
      Personally I could care less, but not much, regarding historical wrongs and worse … there is a place for those issues but certainly not when talking about (the lack of) justification of current behaviour/s and incidents. Nor do I think that countering emotive screechings by emotive schreechings is productive whether this is when countering “numpty bnp-umpties” as you so eloquently put it or anything else for that matter; it is the type of behaviour you expect to witness in a nursery not when engaging in a rational debate.

      @ Dalbir # 33 – Landscapes change all the time, including political landscapes. That does not mean that we need necessarily revert to anything resembling a caveman mentality. Being a part of society means that we accept that certain restrictions are incumbent upon us; whether that is not playing loud music past a certain time of night or accepting the fact that children will end up throwing a snowball or two. It also means, unfortunately for some it would seem, that regardless of whether or not you like your neighbours, you haven’t the right to harass, demean or generally make life difficult for them.
      It has very little to do with whether or not you are educated, vegetarian, left, unemployed, far right, Muslim or any other form of extremist, hetero or homosexual, discovering deep rooted hates or re-acquainting yourself with the prejudices of a time long gone, etcetera and so forth; it has far more to do with living within a society rather than on a private island in blessed isolation from the rest of the world.

    38. lfc4life — on 17th January, 2010 at 11:29 AM  

      Once the process of banning groups has happened such as with islam4uk, its natural to ask why the bnp is not banned. BNP members in past have launched bomb attacks against minorities and others whose members like in this case have been found with hoards of bombs and weapons.

    39. Dalbir — on 17th January, 2010 at 11:33 AM  

      Anyway, I’m going shopping. I’m only telling lest some people take my absence as some sort of victory on part of my fellow debaters.

      Now where I put my wooden club. Hoongah, hoongah.

    40. MaidMarian — on 17th January, 2010 at 11:48 AM  

      Dalbir - No, you don’t like the phrase, ‘chip on your shoulder,’ becaues it shows up the utter vacuousness of your comments.

      You say, ‘Something you seriously need to get into your head is that you could never ever really know what it is actually like to be ethnic in the UK unless you are one.’ That, with all respect, rather proves the point I make. Who nominated you to speak on behalf or every ‘ethnic’ (whatever that means - do I not have an ethnicity?) in the UK?

      I don’t claim to empathise, you put words into my mouth. I could not care less about the identity chips on your shoulder.

      And as to the days of empire, let me tell you what my family were doing. They were living in poverty, my grandfathers both miners, my grandmothers working in a cotton mill. Not the racist imperialists of your fetid imagination. There is no skeleton in my closet.

      I indeed agree that humanity is not all angels. The difference is that unlike you I have not made up my mind about the skin colour of those angels in advance.

      It strikes me that your lack of confidence in humanity and your inability to knock the chip off your shoulder about identity is the cause of your anxiety more than any ad personem racism.

    41. MaidMarian — on 17th January, 2010 at 11:49 AM  

      Dalbir - When you find your club, be careful which shoulder you use to carry it on. There probably is not enough room for chip and club.

    42. Dalbir — on 17th January, 2010 at 7:55 PM  

      Dalbir – When you find your club, be careful which shoulder you use to carry it on. There probably is not enough room for chip and club.

      Steady on Maid, a few more good ones like that and you’ll put these guys out of business….

      http://www.tvparty.com/bgifs17/brittenbozo.jpg

    43. clairwil — on 18th January, 2010 at 12:52 AM  

      The BNp’s response to this is incredible. It would seem society made him do it. Boo hoo.

      ‘If people are going to build up large arsenals then they will get stiff sentences. It’s the inevitable consequence of enforced multiculturalism. You are going to get more and more incidents like this. It sounds like this was a lucky escape.’
      -Simon Darby

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/bnp/6996980/Lone-wolf-BNP-member-jailed-for-11-years-for-building-up-explosives-arsenal.html

    44. MiriamBinder — on 18th January, 2010 at 6:22 AM  

      Oh, I wouldn’t call the BNP response incredible. I’d call it boringly predictable. The BNP leadership depends on these dysfunctionals to maintain their life style.

    45. Danny — on 18th January, 2010 at 10:33 AM  

      I think that the BNP are an essential part of Britain’s political mix at the moment. They are bringing attention to an issue that no one else will, so that is a positive. Of course they are extreme. They unfortunately are the only party that seems to respond to people’s concern. I think they will moderate in time, as they start to seriously eat in to Labours traditional vote.

      All that said, I couldn’t give a fig, if they were all killed in the morning. I’m not British. I do take a certain sense of satisfaction though that the English are having done to them what they did to so many. Although it is the haves that benefited previously and it is the haves that are the strongest proponents of mass immigration

    46. KB Player — on 18th January, 2010 at 12:32 PM  

      The BNp’s response to this is incredible. It would seem society made him do it. Boo hoo.

      It’s not that incredible. Identical comments are about eg 7/7 bombers in The Guardian or The New Statesman. American foreign policy or globalisation or what have you made them do it.



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