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  • HP attempts to smear Ajmal Masroor


    by Sunny
    12th January, 2010 at 5:05 pm    

    You know what annoys me? Dumb, idiotic bloggers who try to smear others by vague ‘nth degree‘ associations. Usually because they happen to be Muslims. ‘Lucy Lips’ on Harry’s Place takes a shot at Libdem PPC and Harrow Mosque imam Ajmal Masroor.

    Now, I’ve met Ajmal loads of times and though I don’t always agree with everything he says, he is a thoroughly nice guy and has sound political views.
    Ajmal Masroor says:

    George Galloway, even your opponents would applaud you in your effort to help people of Gaza. We should all be doing the same. If fully functioning democracies in the world can do one thing to improve the world, it must be to end injustice

    Oh shit, he praised GG in trying to help the people of Gaza! Isn’t that like… praising Hitler?!?!?!? Lucy Lips fulminates:

    Help the people of Gaza?
    Galloway trailed a rag tag bag of Muslim Brotherhood supporters, revolutionary socialists, and their various hangers on, through the Middle East. The exercise was transparently a PR stunt: primarily for Galloway himself, but also to promote Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. All you have to do is to look at Viva Palestina’s partners, and its true nature will become very clear.

    Funny that though, Lucy Lips and the rest of the HP crew spend more time attacking Galloway than they do the state of Israel which has blockaded them and holds them in a massive open-air prison. Wait, that must be an oversight. I’m sure that misplaced sense of priorities will come back eventually. Maybe.

    Oh, and the Harrow Mosque website has hyper-links to some unsavoury organisations. Clearly that must mean they’re fascists and Ajmal Masroor drinks the blood of babies every morning while worshipping to the alter of George Galloway. So what if Masroor starts his article by stating:

    Let me declare my interest from the outset, I am not a great fan of Galloway, in fact I am standing as the Liberal Democrats’ parliamentary candidate for Bethnal Green and Bow, where he is the current MP, and in the next general election I will be providing a direct challenge to his party, Respect.

    Who cares about such little details eh? Another day, another smear attempt.


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    1. David O'Keefe — on 12th January, 2010 at 5:12 pm  

      Islamists under the bed scare Number……….

    2. cjcjc — on 12th January, 2010 at 5:27 pm  

      Oh, and the Harrow Mosque website has hyper-links to some unsavoury organisations.

      Perhaps he might care to remove them?

    3. Sunny — on 12th January, 2010 at 5:43 pm  

      Yes, they should take advice from tinfoil-hat wearing global warming deniers who think there’s a worldwide conspiracy by lefties about the climate.

      They’re better of taking advice from the talking dog at a circus, no cjcjc?

    4. MoreMediaNonsense — on 12th January, 2010 at 6:13 pm  

      Sunny - please say you’re not referring to this in #3 :

      http://moremedianonsense.blogspot.com/2009/12/climategate-scientific-consensus.html

      On the other hand (sighs) you probably are….

    5. Cjcjc — on 12th January, 2010 at 6:59 pm  

      Hell, what are a few “unsavoury” links between friends?

    6. marvin — on 12th January, 2010 at 7:17 pm  

      Hell, what are a few “unsavoury” links between friends?

      Hahah. Why does it appear that on this blog at least brown people (who aren’t crazy extremists) are excused with their dodgy affiliations, because, you know, they didn’t know, or it’s all in good faith, in the name of the Palestinians or some other noble call in the face of oppression?

      I wonder if a Tory candidate would get away being a spokesperson for a church with a number of “unsavoury” links to BNP/Stormfront affilitated organisations?

      Whilst I think Ajmal Masroor is probably a decent chap, if a tad naive, he really should know better, and it doesn’t help when the guy is not held to the same level of scrutiny as politician because he has brown skin/is a Muslim/supports the left-wing-trendy cause of the Palestinians (many other peoples around the world are kept in far worse conditions yet do not register on the radar).

    7. Salman Shaheen — on 12th January, 2010 at 7:22 pm  

      Harry’s Place is a disgrace. I don’t know how anyone can call them a left-wing blog anymore. In the last few months, I’ve counted numerous articles supporting the Iraq war, defending Israel’s killing of over 1000 civillians in its assault on Gaza, siding with the climate change sceptics, jumping to defend a protest led by the EDF and accusing Moazamm Begg of being a terrorist on the flimsiest of speculations and despite all those years languishing in Guantanamo turning up nothing. I could go on, but I think Captain Picard sums that site up better than I can:

      http://blurredproductions.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/picard-facepalm2.jpg

    8. Sunny — on 12th January, 2010 at 7:40 pm  

      Sunny – please say you’re not referring to this in #3 :

      Well, I was actually referring to our tinfoil hat wearing resident trolls (cjcjc and marvin) but that’s part of the problem.

      I wonder if a Tory candidate would get away being a spokesperson for a church with a number of “unsavoury” links to BNP/Stormfront affilitated organisations?

      You mean like Michal Kaminsky and the other nutjobs from the Tory grouping you people keep making excuses for?

      Noooooo, you’d never have double standards would you cjcjc & marvin? Always against extremists whatever their colour / religion eh?

    9. Alan JI — on 12th January, 2010 at 8:02 pm  

      by Sunny on 12th January, 2010 at 5:05 PM

      “I’ve met Ajmal loads of times ”

      What did he tell you about his removal as LibDem candidate for West Ham in 2005? Which happened between opening and closing of nominations!

    10. marvin — on 12th January, 2010 at 8:19 pm  

      Michael Kaminisky? LOL. Weak. He had some dodgy links in his past with far-right antisemites. The editor of the Jewish Chronicle is certain he’s not an antisemite which was the main charge by The Guardian/Labour.

      …You’ve got numerous nutjobs in Europe both in the EPP and on the Labour side too. Europe is full of them, in case you hadn’t noticed.

      Any non-brown person in this country Sunny that I or others like me would defend, who has affiliations to dodgy extremist groups?

      The thing is that actual racism (not provocative ditties mocking multiculturalism or political correctness) has become completely unacceptable in the centre-right, as it should.

      Yet, on the centre-left, there is quite some way to go before Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood, other assorted Islamist outfits become completely unacceptable. Just ask Ken Livingstone. Oh, yeah, you can, you’ll meet them all at “progressive London”, LOL!

      I do try to have as consistent standards as possible. So if you could come up with examples of this being bollocks I’d be happy to reassess my views.

    11. Sarah AB — on 12th January, 2010 at 8:30 pm  

      It’s fine to want to help people in Gaza - but I’m not sure GG has chosen the best way to do this.

      @Salman - I think you are probably right in relation to the first and last issues you cite - ie I think HP is associated with those views - but I’m less sure about the others.

    12. Salman Shaheen — on 12th January, 2010 at 8:53 pm  

      @Sarah - I’ve come across numerous articles on all of those issues. The pro-War, borderline Islamophobic Zionism I’ve come to expect from Harry’s Place. But just when I thought the site could sink no lower, it jumped on the Climategate bandwagon. That, really, was the last straw for me.

    13. Sunny — on 12th January, 2010 at 9:09 pm  

      He had some dodgy links in his past with far-right antisemites. The editor of the Jewish Chronicle is certain he’s not an antisemite which was the main charge by The Guardian/Labour.

      Mmm… yeah, of course I believe anything Stephen Pollard on these issues says just because he’s Jewish. So you’ll take a Muslim’s word on whether on their own is bigoted or not, will you?

      Nice try Marvin :) PS - I was talking about people in this country: we’re talking about Tories actively trying to make alliances with racists and homophobes. But why say anything about that eh?

      as become completely unacceptable in the centre-right

      Rubbish - it’s everywhere. Only last week 70% of ConHome readers approved racial profiling.

    14. cjcjc — on 12th January, 2010 at 9:10 pm  

      So you’ll take a Muslim’s word on whether on their own is bigoted or not, will you?

      Eh? Is Kaminsky Jewish?

    15. marvin — on 13th January, 2010 at 12:13 am  

      70% agreed that “Airport security staff should screen passengers so that, for example, elderly ladies are not treated the same as young Asian men”

      When you ask the question like that I suspect you’ll get a similar ratio with the general population, and not so massively different for even a lot of Guardian readers.

      The “young asian men” is a very crude way to profile and I’d be against that. But in a very crude way it would be much more effective if you were to release resources from searching elderly women.

      Three of the four 7/7 bombers were asian with parents from South Asia, the other was a Jamaican convert to Islam. No elderly women were involved. Is it racist to point out that a UK home-grown terrorist is to be very likely to be a) male b) muslim c) between ages of 16-30 and quite likely to be of d) south asian origin (likeliest given previous stats), a black british convert, or North African (Muslim), or an Arab person (less likely in the UK)

      Why do we need to pretend that there is no profile??! IS Islamist terrorist cells just as prevalent in the Welsh valleys as in East London?

      You still haven’t answered my question from the earlier thread: Should elderly women be treated as potential terrorists, just the same as everybody else?

    16. BenSix — on 13th January, 2010 at 1:05 am  

      Any non-brown person in this country Sunny that I or others like me would defend, who has affiliations to dodgy extremist groups?

      Oooh - New Labour (Bush; their torturing chums in Uzbekistan and the ISI), a good deal of the Conservative Party (the Atlantic Bridge, and its bloodstained pals)…

      But you know I still love you and others like you, Marvin.

    17. BenSix — on 13th January, 2010 at 1:17 am  

      Incidentally, I seem to remember a Harry’s Place piece railing against Boris Johnson for visiting a Mosque with unpleasant associations. Isn’t he “centre-right”?

      (Not trying to deny, by the way, that some lefty types don’t brush over anti-semitism, but it’s quite tiresome to split the ethical pie so cleanly down the middle.)

    18. Sunny — on 13th January, 2010 at 1:56 am  

      You still haven’t answered my question from the earlier thread: Should elderly women be treated as potential terrorists, just the same as everybody else?

      Silly dichotomy. The question should be: should white men be treated the same as Asian men?
      As it is - those tories are pro- stop and search of black kids, so they approve of racial profiling out of it.

      But tell me, why compare Asian men to white grannies? Why not white men to white grannies? After all, terrorists could be white couldn’t they?

      It’s a nice slippery way to pretend you’re not racist by bringing in the white granny and set her up against the Asian man terrorist caricature isn’t it?

    19. marvin — on 13th January, 2010 at 7:48 am  

      why compare Asian men to white grannies? Why not white men to white grannies? After all, terrorists could be white couldn’t they?

      Because the majority of plots involve “asian” men? More specifically Muslim asians, parentage from Pakistan. None involving Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists or Christians, as far as I’m aware. Just Muslim South Asians.

      Fact. Yeah.

      those tories are pro- stop and search of black kids

      LOL. You think black kids should be exempted? Black on black gun and knife violence is at 75% in London. Best avoiding targeting young black youths, I mean they may be packing heat, best to be racially balanced. Ok, a few more black kids get stabbed, but Sunny and others can feel good about being racially balanced in stop and search.

      Despite all this, and the fact that if you catch would be killers you save lives, you’d rather grannies were treated as potential terrorists. How strange.

    20. steve — on 13th January, 2010 at 8:20 am  

      Black on black gun and knife violence is at 75% in London.

      with well-phrased, well-documented ‘stats’ like those…

    21. MiriamBinder — on 13th January, 2010 at 8:38 am  

      Anyhoo … I fail to see where ‘Black on Black’ crime statistics should worry the average racist. If anything I’d have thought they’d be all behind the effort. It would save them a load of voluntary repatriation payments when they do get into power ;)

    22. Ravi Naik — on 13th January, 2010 at 8:48 am  

      Despite all this, and the fact that if you catch would be killers you save lives, you’d rather grannies were treated as potential terrorists. How strange.

      I am really glad that people like you are not in charge of anti-terrorism, or we would be more vulnerable. I mean, what can one say about people who feel more secure by advocating that security should be laxed for certain demographic groups?

    23. douglas clark — on 13th January, 2010 at 9:22 am  

      I am beginning to find the proto journalism of the Eustonites a bit boring.

      I don’t think they have actually managed to link Ghandi to Hitler yet, but with their skills of association it wouldn’t be too hard.

      There ought to be a rule about this sort of stuff.

      For anyone, you can be linked to anyone else on the planet by the ‘six degrees of separation’ - http://tinyurl.com/7bs8w

      The new Lois Lane Ace Reporter Stunt is to also link to whatever that person may have said, whenever. Preferably very selectively.

      It is somewhat reasonable to support relief work in Gaza. From that you can spiral away into whatever conspiracy theories and blackguarding you want. Consequently you get masses of praise in the brain dead comments sections of the Spittoon and HP respectively.

      Nuance, they do not have and their agenda is certainly less information than propaganda. Anyone reading one of these pieces would be well advised to exercise ‘caveat emptor’.

    24. MiriamBinder — on 13th January, 2010 at 9:23 am  

      Racial profiling will do sweet Fanny Adams to increase security. Israeli Airports are reckoned amongst the most secure in the world. One reason I suspect is that they use behavioural rather then racial profiling.

    25. cjcjc — on 13th January, 2010 at 9:26 am  

      I would rather be six degrees away than one click away!

    26. damon — on 13th January, 2010 at 9:43 am  

      I saw the former head of EL AL Airlines being interviewed on TV yesterday and he says that the underpants bomber would have been sussed out well before he ever boared an EL AL plane.

      It was on Fox news, so it was a bit of a cock-eyed discussion, with the Fox anchor completely failing to understand the difference between EL AL’s situation and general world aviation, but it’s probabbly true that he wouldn’t have stood a chance with EL AL, because of screening.

      On Gaza, I’m wondering how it can cease to be a massive open-air prison. If Israel wants to keep itself sealed off in its land border with Gaza that’s its right I guess. The sea and air control is something that has to change, but building fences seems to be seen as a solution also with Israel’s border with Egypt (and India’s with Bangladesh).

    27. MiriamBinder — on 13th January, 2010 at 9:59 am  

      @ Damon # 6 - Not just any screening but behavioural as opposed to racial profile based screening.

    28. marvin — on 13th January, 2010 at 10:26 am  

      I’m sure in that State of racial harmony, Israel, that the airport security do not distinguish between groups of Palestinian arab men and hassidic Jews. I’m sure they are use entirely racially and religiously balanced methods, just as they do in the rest of Israel. Only ‘behavioural’, they are blind to Jew/Muslim dichotomies.

      “Current security checks at airports across the world are aimed at finding explosives or weapons, but not at identifying the terrorists,” said Shlomo Harnoy, the head of Sdema Group, an Israeli security consultancy.

      “A young Muslim travelling alone on a ticket paid with cash and without luggage would have been immediately identified and searched,” he said.

      Boom!

      http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Israeli+airport+security+spotlight+after+foiled+attack/2411376/story.html

      Israel’s passenger profiling, applied for decades at the country’s Ben Gurion international airport and by Israeli airlines abroad, entails assessing the risk posed by a passenger according to his nationality, ethnicity, background and behaviour.

      Israeli security agents consider passengers with Arab or Muslim background as potentially high threats.

      Double Boom!

      Israeli Airport Security: It Really Just Works Because Of The Profiling

      Considering the apparent incompetence of the TSA, it seems hard to imagine the government could marshall a huge force of highly-skilled, highly-intuitive folks to run airport security.

      But an emailer from Israel wants us to know that’s total bunk: “It really works because profiling. The kids are not that bright. I know many of them.”

      We need some profiling, not based simply on race or religion but a myriad of factors, behavioural profiling being a big part of it, and one would hope a large dollop of intelligence data.

    29. damon — on 13th January, 2010 at 10:37 am  

      I agree that they do behavioural screening.
      But people flying EL AL are such a minority segment of the wider flying public that their job is made that much easier. Their methods would be too much and too intrusive to be used more widely. People wouldn’t put up with the questioning. like being asked six times: ”But why do you want to go to Spain? ”Holiday? But why Costa Rica? who do you know there? what are you going to do there? Why are you flying alone?” (I flew to Israel once and that’s what it was like at Heathrow airport). Same coming back. ”Who did you speak to in Israel? Where did you stay?
      You couldn’t have that kind of questioning just to get on a plane. (But being suspicious of a young African man who has visited Yeman might have been a start).

      Any foreign young men who have ‘studied’ in Yeman must surely come under suspicion.

    30. MiriamBinder — on 13th January, 2010 at 10:42 am  

      How ridiculous and how very appropriate considering the poster.

      @ Marvin # 8 - Do you seriously think for one moment that wearing ‘safe garb’ hasn’t occurred to the planners of potential terrorist targets? Put Osama Bin Laden in the conventional Lubavitch outfit and you wouldn’t be able to pick him out in a crowd … Heck put a skull-cap on any male and you will probably be able to find an Israeli that could pass as a close relative if not a brother.

      Links are all very well but it always helps to think before you link ;)

    31. MiriamBinder — on 13th January, 2010 at 10:44 am  

      Damon, not everyone is subjected to that form of questioning …

    32. damon — on 13th January, 2010 at 11:10 am  

      I agree MiriamBinder, they’re not. They talk to everyone and give certain people a really hard time. God knows what they would be like if they were in charge of flights between Pakistan and the UK. Or Dubai and Europe, given that the passenger profile of people on those flights is so much different to people who fly on EL AL. I think that many people who read this blog might find the situation really annoying if they were to try to pass through EL AL type security.
      More or less having to prove yourself to someone who is treating you like you were hiding something.

    33. MiriamBinder — on 13th January, 2010 at 11:23 am  

      I’ve travelled EL AL a few times … in fact it is the only airline I will fly with if fly I must.

      A friend of mine from Australia came over recently just for a couple of weeks. She was staying with another friend and so had no hotel booked. Passport control here in the UK questioned her for almost two hours because she didn’t have a hotel booked, didn’t have a sight seeing itinerary and hadn’t come over to visit relatives. They also questioned the other friend who had gone to pick her up from the airport and it was touch or go whether they were going to let her in despite her having the required paperwork and proof that she had a university course to go back for.

      Swings and round-abouts … being questioned is never pleasant.

    34. marvin — on 13th January, 2010 at 11:32 am  

      Miriam

      You suggest that Israeli airport security do not profile racially/religiously/nationally but rather ‘behavioural’. You’re wrong on this. They probably have the most discriminatory airport security in the world!

      Plus you’ve just admitted it “Damon, not everyone is subjected to that form of questioning …” and Damon reaffirms that!

    35. marvin — on 13th January, 2010 at 11:56 am  

      Perhaps your point is they don’t simply look at skin colour then that would make sense as ethnically many Jews look similar to many Arabs.

      They will however discriminate against Muslims, Palestinians and people travelling to and from arab states because of the higher risk. If the Israeli airport staff worked in the UK they’d make different discriminations based on likely profiles of terrorists in this regions. We’re much more likely to have Pakistani based terrorists than Palestinian. More likely in their 20′s than 70′s. More likely male than female. But that’s racist, sexist and ageist, all in one, according to definitions by some! Crazy.

    36. steve — on 13th January, 2010 at 12:05 pm  

      btw on this ‘exposure’ - anyone remember ‘mehdi hassan exposed’? HP Sauce is a joke.

      incidentally isn’t it weird that this ‘lucy lips’, who has admitted to bieng male, has the exact same writing style as david toube, and only ever seems to contribute the more, ahem, questionable stuff?

    37. MiriamBinder — on 13th January, 2010 at 12:28 pm  

      Do get real Marvin and stop trying to twist my words into something they most certainly have not claimed. My response that stated that not everyone was questioned was in relation to Damon’s suggestion that UK citizen might not welcome such extensive questioning.

      Further, it is clear that with any profiling only some individuals will ‘ring the right warning bells’ … Whether that is racial or behavioural or any other type of profiling; IE: profile for females and most males will probably walk through without much hassle (get the picture)

      As for your other claim regarding the fact that many Jews look similar to Arabs … Many Jews look similar to what might be considered a typical Swede. Not all Arabs look typically Arab and not all Muslim Terrorists are Arabs.

      The one thing that is very difficult to do is to disguise … funnily enough … body language which is very very indicative of the mental state; because it is by and large involuntary. I am not saying that it is impossible before you jump up and down in your little pram again. But the type of individual that is being targeted for these sort of terrorist missions is expendable and comparatively speaking cheap. Start requiring the extensive training that suppressing involuntary body language would require and training these wannabee martyrs would suddenly double if not triple or more in terms of time, resources and finance; anything that will make organising these heinous acts of terrorism more complex and costly to organise, the better.

    38. douglas clark — on 13th January, 2010 at 12:59 pm  

      cjcjc @ 5,

      Well, do you feel a lot safer after reading Lucy Lips stuff?

      No?

      Me neither.

    39. Refresh — on 13th January, 2010 at 1:12 pm  

      ‘I don’t think they have actually managed to link Ghandi to Hitler yet, but with their skills of association it wouldn’t be too hard.’

      Simple. All they will need to prove is that Ghandi met or emailed Bose or visited his blog or received his leaflet. Regardless of what might have transpired.

      In any case, how has a thread on Ajmal Masroor turned into one on profiling? I don’t have the energy to look back to find out. It wasn’t Marvin was it?

    40. douglas clark — on 13th January, 2010 at 1:17 pm  

      Refresh,

      Dammit! You have used exactly the route I was going to use!

    41. Refresh — on 13th January, 2010 at 1:38 pm  

      Sorry Douglas.

      Why don’t you have a go too. Perhaps we could turn it into an online game. We should give it a name.

    42. MiriamBinder — on 13th January, 2010 at 1:47 pm  

      Sorry Refresh et al … it was Marvin but I fell for it …

    43. Refresh — on 13th January, 2010 at 2:25 pm  

      MiriamBinder,

      ah yes, Marvin!

    44. damon — on 13th January, 2010 at 2:46 pm  

      I think Israel and EL AL doesn’t really help much when talking about profiling. With them they treat you with suspicion from the moment you buy your ticket and are mentally profiling you as they ask you all these questions. I read somewhere that they are looking for ‘microexpressions’ which betray someone who is ‘up to something’.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microexpression

      Ajmal Masroor certainly had a tough time flying to Israel in 2007.

      I was held up at the airport for seven hours and repeatedly asked racist, derogatory and Islamophobic questions. I was greeted by two security personnel outside the plane. It was as though they had been tipped off to keep a look out for me simply because of my Asian appearance.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/jun/10/anisraeldispatch

    45. marvin — on 13th January, 2010 at 2:52 pm  

      I’m not in much in disagreement with what you say miriam but you do keep stating (for me at least) the obvious, which is annoying!

      As for your other claim regarding the fact that many Jews look similar to Arabs … Many Jews look similar to what might be considered a typical Swede.

      I am aware of this. What’s your point? … Anyway how many “typical Swede” look alikes are Muslim terrorists? 2%? 3%? Sorry I just don’t understand your point with this. I can think of that Adam fella from America as a terrorist but then it’s a blank.

      Not all Arabs look typically Arab and not all Muslim Terrorists are Arabs.

      Ok.. and your point is? I’ve already stated the historical profiles of UK islamist terrorists. None were arab, in actual attacks, even.

      I agree on the behavioural profiling, but that’s got to be used in addition to intelligence data, and common sense.

      A person who is doing work for god could look extremely calm and well presented. Which would fool a system based on behavioural profiling.

      Should elderly ladies be considered a terrorist threat? Perhaps Al-Qaeda would start radicalising the septuagenarian community? Perhaps start a sleeper cell in an old people’s home (good pickings I’d imagine!).

      P.s. Sunny said yes racism is acceptable in the centre-right because 70% of people agreed to the question “Airport security staff should screen passengers so that, for example, elderly ladies are not treated the same as young Asian men””

      I want to know why people think this is racist, when the majority of terrorists in attacks in this country, have been “asian” men. Is it an ageist statement too?

      Obviously it was a bit of a stupid question, but “asian” is a reasonably likely profile, albeit a racial one, and vague one encompassing all sorts of people unlikley to blow up planes. Again im against this kind of crude racial profiling…

    46. Capote — on 13th January, 2010 at 6:01 pm  

      Miriam Binder is right, of course. As usual.
      The problem about encouraging black-on-black crime is that quite a few - not all - of the blacks who end up getting robbed, injured and killed are probably fairly law-abiding people and may well include the black BNP supporters we keep hearing about!

    47. Tom — on 13th January, 2010 at 11:13 pm  

      Funnily enough its fairly easy to link Ghandi to Hitler:

      http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gandhi_to_Hitler.jpg

    48. douglas clark — on 14th January, 2010 at 12:17 am  

      Tom @ 47,

      First degree of separation!

      Brilliant stuff. Especially as it could be misinterpreted by those so minded.

      ——————-

      Refresh, we have a respected player here.

      Can I suggest we play your game? Link anyone to anyone else in two moves or whatever.

      I’d have thought Lucy Lips and David Taube…. One move, from the left hemisphere to the right.

      But that is just a guess.

    49. Refresh — on 14th January, 2010 at 1:31 am  

      Douglas,

      I agree a good one from Tom. In fact a very good one.

      In certain hands it could be blogged as “Documented: Ghandi was Hitler’s friend” .

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