How shall I respond to Tim Montgomerie and Iain Fale?


by Sunny
31st December, 2009 at 2:21 pm    

This is an amusing start to my new year celebrations. Tim Montgomerie and Iain Dale are outraged….OUTRAGED I say!… that I had something nasty to say about Rush Limbaugh on Twitter last night.

Of course it’s all rather predictable. Both get a constant beating at Liberal Conspiracy when we expose crap they publish – from the easily destroyed global warming conspiracy theories to the infamous mass-resignation from PoliticsHome that Montgomerie was livid over. Poor guy is still smarting over that. Oh and not to forget the ridicule he attracts for his infamous ‘left-watch’ site that keeps am eye on lefties who disagree with the David Cameron line.

Readers, how shall I respond? Shall I:

1. Point at the fact that they prominently and constantly link to Guido Fawkes and Devils Kitchen, where far worse has been said about left-wing personalities by the authors and/or their readers? Nah, too obvious.

2. Go all hysterical and claim that it’s political correctness gone mad, typical of right-wingers to try and police people’s thoughts and that these people can’t take a joke? Wait – that’s their usual line. Though it would still apply – this sort of hyporcrisy is typical of them.

3. Get all faux-outraged over Dale taking off the link to LC and claim it’s typical of his immature behaviour, throw
a strop and start fundraising for his political opponent? Oh wait, he hasn’t actually been selected for anything. Damn.

4. Link to all the nasty racist, homophobic and sexist things Rush “Barack the Magic Negro” Limbaugh has said in the past? The guy is so off the charts even Richard Littlejohn wouldn’t repeat the stuff he’s said. And yet Montgomerie says he is a mainstream ‘centre-right’ figure. Says it all doesn’t it?

No… I’ve got it. I’ve got my bottle of JD that is. I’m off to get ready and party tonight like it’s the end of the decade.

Have a good one all of you! If I was a rapper, I’d say 2010 is gonna be off the chain. But I’m not. So it’s just going to be off the hook.
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  1. idonotbelieveit — on 31st December, 2009 at 3:07 pm  

    …or perhaps 5. Grow up

  2. Old Holborn — on 31st December, 2009 at 3:12 pm  

    Have you been at the cooking sherry?

  3. MaidMarian — on 31st December, 2009 at 3:13 pm  

    Who is Rush Limbaugh?

  4. douglas clark — on 31st December, 2009 at 3:16 pm  

    Who is Tim Montgomerie?

  5. Leon — on 31st December, 2009 at 3:19 pm  

    Who is Sunny Hundal? :D ;)

    Happy New Year folks!!

  6. oldrightie — on 31st December, 2009 at 3:22 pm  

    Who is Sunny Hundal? Someone very much not worth knowing of or about.

  7. Frank — on 31st December, 2009 at 3:32 pm  

    The previous 6 comments say it all

  8. douglas clark — on 31st December, 2009 at 3:34 pm  

    Leon,

    And everyone else. Have a Happy New Year too!

  9. Kulvinder — on 31st December, 2009 at 3:36 pm  

    …or perhaps 5. Grow up

    To be fair thats more applicable to Iain Dale (who wants to be a conservative MP)

    Who is Sunny Hundal? Someone very much not worth knowing of or about.

    You do appreciate the irony of that don’t you? Fair enough though, i’m sure Iain Dale/Chris Mounsey/Paul Staines won’t read this site ever again.

  10. grace the collie — on 31st December, 2009 at 3:37 pm  

    How shall i respond to Tim Montgomerie and Iain Fail…..
    Iain Fail!!!!!I see what you did there !!!! I am pissing myself laughing at the wit, not.

  11. Kulvinder — on 31st December, 2009 at 3:44 pm  

    nb: happy new year! ill be calling it twenty-ten; im not sure whether thats correct or not but the words ‘two thousand’ have gone from being markers of a brilliant future with bacofoil suits and robots that do the housework to being a sad crappy reality of £20 polyester suits from asda and stupid robots that don’t vacuum or cut the grass properly.

  12. douglas clark — on 31st December, 2009 at 3:57 pm  

    Kulvinder,

    twenty-ten sounds good to me.

    Och, your disappointments are nothing to mine. When I were but a lad, we’d have reached Alpha Centauri by now and be fighting the Mekon….

  13. Rumbold — on 31st December, 2009 at 4:11 pm  

    People like Guido are hypocrites. But that doesn’t mean you need to sink to their level. There are a number of people who I wouldn’t shead a tear for if they died/fell ill, nor would I pretend to, but I wouldn’t gloat over it either. If someone like Robert Mugabe dies, then yes, given all the pain and suffering he continues to cause. If someone like Beatrix Campbell died/fell ill, I wouldn’t pretend to be upset, but nor would I gloat, because she is not in the same league as people like Mugabe.

    You have to have standards that matter to you. It doesn’t matter how the rest of the world behaves.

  14. David Jones — on 31st December, 2009 at 4:30 pm  

    ‘You have to have standards that matter to you’

    He has. That’s the problem.

  15. Don — on 31st December, 2009 at 4:32 pm  

    Twenty-ten it is, then.

    I don’t know how well robots vacuum, but they could lead to unintended consequences.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf9wHkkNGUU&feature=response_watch

  16. halima — on 31st December, 2009 at 5:08 pm  

    Happy New Years everyone ..

  17. marvin — on 31st December, 2009 at 5:15 pm  

    Rumbold says it well.

    Sunny, you didn’t tell us your deed. Here it is

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_z5hT1P0X79c/Szx-eZgRiPI/AAAAAAAAFjQ/ygu9bzZ_veQ/s1600-h/hundal.png

    Glad that people are in unwell in hospital is not what I would deem decent behaviour, but we’ve seen time and time again, leftists wishing political foes (not the Saddams or Ahmedinjads but the home grown right wingers) dead. Though well all make mistakes which can be regretted and apologised for.

    Sunny two wrongs don’t make a right so perhaps you should apologise for your wrong rather than make a list about your critics. Or you could do both.

    When the greatest leader the world has seen Margaret Thatcher dies you will see the left wing blogs erupt in euphoria with corks popping up and down the country.

    It will be a disgusting spectacle, and not one that you would see much of on the other side if a Labour leader dies.

    Anyway.

    HAPPY NEW YEAR TO *ALL*

  18. Sunny — on 31st December, 2009 at 5:24 pm  

    Rumbold – I stand by what I said and I’d be lying if I said I wished Rush Limbaugh well. I don’t have to list how much war and destruction he has wished on others.

    Montgomerie and Dale are doing this because they don’t like me, nit because there is some principle at stake here.

    And you Dale-bots can fuck off too. I’m off to get crunked.

  19. douglas clark — on 31st December, 2009 at 5:26 pm  

    marvin,

    Satire left you by?

    When the greatest leader the world has seen Margaret Thatcher dies you will see the left wing blogs erupt in euphoria with corks popping up and down the country.

    No you won’t. You’ll see me, at least, jumping up and down on her grave.

  20. A.C. — on 31st December, 2009 at 5:31 pm  

    Sunny,

    Though I have yet to read anything outside this blog concerning myself and blow up dolls, it would seem I was correct earlier this year about the development of the ‘Hundal is a liability’ meme :)

    As Guido’s left wing blogger of choice, do you feel proud of what you have achieved online?

    I won’t be back on line tonight, so feel free to ‘cuss’ me in the most infantile way you can!

    Until the next decade, peace…

  21. Rumbold — on 31st December, 2009 at 5:32 pm  

    Sunny:

    There’s a difference between not wishing people well and celebrating when people fall ill. I don’t think that any of your critics are principled or aren’t trying to needle you. But that’s not the point I was making.

  22. David Jones — on 31st December, 2009 at 5:41 pm  

    AC – I think you have it. Sunny’s quite a powerful weapon for the Right.

  23. douglas clark — on 31st December, 2009 at 5:42 pm  

    A.C.

    Could you not at least wait awhile? Maybe boys and girls from different racial groups might be dancing together or summat? Who knows what might happen next.

    As you are the most stupid advocate of breaking down barriers, I salute you! You are there to build up the barriers, rather than break them down.

    You, sir, are a contrary bastard. If you subscribe to one iota of Guido, then you are a very bad person, and do not really have a leg to stand on.

  24. KJB — on 31st December, 2009 at 5:53 pm  

    Wow, the idiot infestation on this thread is really summin.’

    Happy New Year everyone! LMAO @ Sunny’s getting crunked. Please tell me that crunk isn’t actually going to be involved. That’s so ’90s. ;-)

    Kulvinder @ 11: lol, at least you were alive at a time when that dream was going. I was born too late to be able to dream of such things. A robot that cuts the grass… wow…

    Hope you all have a great night tonight, whatever you do. :-D

  25. MiriamBinder — on 31st December, 2009 at 6:29 pm  

    I think the issue is that no matter how you may feel about them, elating at the thought of the demise or imminent demise of another human being … well, aside from the fact that someone somewhere cares or had cared about that human being … it really decreases your stature as a human being

    Happy New Year one and all. May it be healthy one ;)

  26. Nyrone — on 31st December, 2009 at 7:24 pm  

    Bloody hell, it was just a joke, calm down Marvin & company.

    I thought it was funny, I don’t think Sunny wants him dead or anything.
    Get a sense of humor Tim and Ian, you squares!

    Rush Limbaugh is an ugly, wretched man who is not ‘centre right’ at all.
    The longer he stays in Hospital, the better.

  27. douglas clark — on 31st December, 2009 at 8:26 pm  

    KJB,

    We are waiting for Lee John Barnes to turn up ;-)

    For he is the giving tit that just gives and, err, gives :-)

    Happy New Year!

  28. Richard — on 31st December, 2009 at 8:32 pm  

    “It will be a disgusting spectacle, and not one that you would see much of on the other side if a Labour leader dies”

    Indeed, there might be a lot of hatred of Gordon Brown expressed on Guido but I can’t see the political Right in general partying at his (or Blair’s) death.

  29. Andy Gilmour — on 31st December, 2009 at 10:54 pm  

    Well, Happy New Year to all, hope it goes a hell of a lot better for everyone than the last 3 months of this one did for me, but there ya go.

    Oh, and I too will happily be dancing on Thatcher’s grave for what she & her acolytes did to the people of this country, and the reasons for which she did them.

    And sorry Marvin & chums, I’m not a “lefty”…

  30. soru — on 1st January, 2010 at 4:37 am  

    You’ll see me, at least, jumping up and down on her grave.

    Make sure you wipe your shoes well before going indoors.

  31. Ravi Naik — on 1st January, 2010 at 6:10 pm  

    Three months ago, Rush Limbaugh defended segregated buses, you know, whites-only buses in the 21st century. Center-right? Not even the BNP would dare suggest that.

    Indeed, it would have been a great Christmas.

  32. marvin — on 1st January, 2010 at 6:50 pm  

    The comments about jumping up and down on Margaret Thatcher’s grave and wiping shoes reaffirms my opinions about David O’Keefe and soru. What jolly pleasant people you two must be.

    Oh, and I too will happily be dancing on Thatcher’s grave for what she & her acolytes did to the people of this country, and the reasons for which she did them.

    Freeing them from union militancy that held the country to ransom? Neogtiating the end of communism with Reagan and Gorbachev? Pioneering the free market economy for Europe? Ending the scourge of socialism and massive state interference in everything? Changing Britain from the “sick man of Europe” to a powerhouse?

    Can you begin to imagine what sorry state Britain would be in now if lunatics like “keep all the mines working even if there’s no coal to mine” Scargill were in charge!!!

    I can’t begin to imagine what a devastating loss it must have been be for socialists to be outfoxed by such a powerful and passionate female leader. I suppose the thought of being jolly at her death is symbolic of an atavistic revenge for what she did to British socialism.

    Gilmour, I can’t begin to imagine what reasons you think she did these things. Because she was a Lizard?!

    Ok, ok, I’m winding people up here. You have every right to despise Thatcher if you want to. She should have provided retraining, education and industry for the ex-miners. What a terrible lack of foresight. But wishing political foes dead? … I think MiriamBinder is absolutely correct above.

    Still, I must be a fool for not wanting to jump and down on my political foes’ graves. Even George Galloway, the shit. I just don’t have it in me. Stupid, stupid me.

    Seriously though, Happy New Year y’all, even Douglas Clark.

  33. David O'Keefe — on 1st January, 2010 at 7:46 pm  

    Excuse me Marvin, But I have not participated in this thread, so why you have chosen to have a pop at me?

    Oh, wait your a swivel-eyed loon, a troll.

    This, Marvin, is a thread aimed at hypocrites such as Dale-who put the boot into Jack Jones before he was even cold. So I expect to hear no complaints from him, when the champagne corks pop at the same time as her clogs.

    Another thing, if you haven’t wished anyone dead you haven’t lived.

  34. david brough — on 1st January, 2010 at 8:07 pm  

    I will run through it again.

    Everything Thatcher allegedly achieved, followed on by her henchmen Major, Blair and Brown, is an utter fucking mirage and a failure.

    Who now thinks the deliberate, politically motivated savaging of mining and manufacturing was a good idea? We have seen what reliance on service “industries” and your scum pals in the City of London, who had to be given billions of pounds in MY money to shield them from their own parasitical behaviour, ends us up. With mass unemployment and the social problems you pretend to oppose, but overlook the fact that none of them existed when I was young in the 1960s because it was possible to make an honest living in a decent job and that was exactly what all able-bodied men did. And while I have nothing against feminists, how “liberating” is it to do the sort of jobs working-class women in the real world actually end up doing because their husbands can’t provide for a family? They should remove barriers to women getting top jobs if they are of top calibre, but let’s not pretend that some transformation has been wrought because there are some females in the working alongside me in a fucking warehouse.

    Who now applauds the right to buy? When your kids can’t buy a house or get a council house, and for all that cunts and scum blame this on immigrants, I’d like to know exactly which immigrant it was that prevented people in the rustbelt from being able to work as their grandfathers did, doing an honest day’s toil and getting their honest reward for it.

    Who, after Thatcherism crashed and burned in 2008 and its shell had to be re-erected with MY money by the feeble cunt Brown, would still believe in her myth? You sneered at us, you said it was all right because of these magic things she did, but that is in fact not true. So I deny your assertions thus. And I will be out celebrating when she goes, or would be if it weren’t for the fact that her failed ideology lives on.

    As for Galloway, he wouldn’t be missed. He betrayed the workers by teaming up with reactionary scum, and thus stabbed working-class Asians in the back as surely as the rest of the working class. I hope his followers soon realise how worthless he truly is.

  35. David Jones — on 1st January, 2010 at 8:33 pm  

    Ravi :-

    Three months ago, Rush Limbaugh defended segregated buses

    No he didn’t. He used the analogy of segregated buses sardonically and facetiously to bash the liberal mindset.

    ‘I mean, that’s the lesson we’re being taught here today. Kid shouldn’t have been on the bus anyway. We need segregated buses — it was invading space and stuff. This is Obama’s America.’

    Now there is stuff Limbaugh has said – a long time ago – that does indeed appear to be racist. But this isn’t an example. This is an example of you being completely unable to grasp irony.

  36. Don — on 1st January, 2010 at 8:51 pm  

    I certainly don’t wish Thatcher dead. Because then Hell would be full and the dead would walk the earth. My contingency plans for that are still a bit sketchy.

    The last thing I want is a zombie Limbaugh chomping on my vitals.

  37. marvin — on 1st January, 2010 at 9:12 pm  

    David O’Keefe, I apologise for that, I wonder why I thought it was you?

    That was a bit of a bizzare lashing out with the swivel-eyed troll attack. I end up roughly in the centre on all the political tests I’ve done. You’re so far left you probably come back through the other side.

    Thanks for your thoughts Brough. Of course despite the recession and the terrible actions of the banks and lenders, neo-liberalism or free trade is alive and kicking and is the least worst option humanity has. What would you rather than Free Trade? Pretend Trade? Keep all the mines open even when there’s no coal to mine? Where’s the sense in that?

    And the ‘scum’ as you call them contribute billions in tax and power the country economically. Gold Man Sachs just paid £2.5 billion in tax – was much as the entire 50% tax raise is supposed to bring to the treasury. That’s a lot of tax from one company.

    Spot on with Galloway though.

  38. David O'Keefe — on 1st January, 2010 at 9:25 pm  

    Marvin-I accept your half-hearted apology.

    Swivel-eyed loon is my subjective judgement, but I think your lying about the results of those political tests based on your contributions here.

  39. douglas clark — on 1st January, 2010 at 9:54 pm  

    marvin, baby.

    You say:

    Seriously though, Happy New Year y’all, even Douglas Clark.

    I actually, no really, spat at my TV when your mad bitch said there was no society. Forgive me, but your heroine is my nemesis.

    I doubt you understand that.

    For some of us she was the countenance of evil.

    Whilst idiots like you thought otherwise,

    There is a difference between us, obviously….

  40. david brough — on 1st January, 2010 at 10:02 pm  

    Mind you, some of Thatcher’s erstwhile supporters have been turning against her legacy. Sometimes I think I should overcome my revulsion and welcome them. I don’t know whether I can given what has happened (I was a miner). But if they fully accept that Thatcherism is the wrong way of doing things, maybe someone else can be nice to them.

    The scabs in my village didn’t keep up their support for the “Iron Lady” very long- as soon as their dreams of making money at our expense were shattered, and their pal tossed them aside like a rubber johnny leaving them in the same place as us, they suddenly started hating her as well.

  41. The Queen of Fiddlesticks — on 1st January, 2010 at 10:15 pm  

    Douglas,
    you spat at this ?
    Quoting-
    “I think we’ve been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it’s the government’s job to cope with it. ‘I have a problem, I’ll get a grant.’ ‘I’m homeless, the government must house me.’ They’re casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It’s our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There’s no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation.”

    I don’t understand
    please explain

  42. david brough — on 1st January, 2010 at 10:18 pm  

    You don’t understand much, do you? You should have tried living under her, in one of the communities that she ruined in the name of her failed experiments, to see what those words actually mean. Because the fact is, I could come out with some pretty words if I stopped being honest for long enough but people would see them in the context of my actions.

    No- you are a dilettante and understand nothing. I am being nice because I think it is possible you don’t mean any harm.

  43. douglas clark — on 1st January, 2010 at 10:19 pm  

    david brough,

    hmm…

    I was never a miner. But I did think the ‘Iron Lady’ was a piece of shite. Not that I thought Scargil was much better.

    You have a story to tell that I, for one, would like to read…

  44. douglas clark — on 1st January, 2010 at 10:30 pm  

    The Queen of Fiddlesticks,

    Perhaps it was the accent, or the complete utter idiocy.

    She is a hero to folk like you. I’d take out of it this:

    And, you know, there is no such thing as society.

    She was a complete utter fool. She absolutely subscribed to a free form idiocy.

    For that phrase, that stupidity, damned her forever in my mind.

    And there she rests, The Queen of Fiddlesticks, a complete utter tit.

  45. david brough — on 1st January, 2010 at 10:31 pm  

    I occasionally get personal at Liberal Conspiracy. But in fact, I am fairly happy in my personal life, happily married and not having a bad time day by day. What angers me is the lack of decent employment and decent life for people in my community and the country rather than anything in my own situation.

  46. douglas clark — on 1st January, 2010 at 10:47 pm  

    david brough,

    Fair enough. I am glad that you are a happy chap.

    Although:

    What angers me is the lack of decent employment and decent life for people in my community and the country rather than anything in my own situation.

    suggests that you do, indeed, have a story to tell.

    :-)

    We all get a bit personal either here or at Liberal Conspiracy, it doesn’t necessarily make us bad people.

    It is worth remembering that lots more folk read than write. It is to the point that Lee John Barnes for instance is an exception rather than a rule.

    Just saying.

  47. david brough — on 1st January, 2010 at 10:56 pm  

    Yes, I’ve noticed that right-whingers often assume that people who are enraged and discontented must have something wrong in their personal lives, which I certainly don’t.

    I think it’s just that they can’t understand why people would give a fuck about anything other than themselves.

  48. The Queen of Fiddlesticks — on 1st January, 2010 at 11:17 pm  

    well David I don’t mean any harm, asking people to express their opinions, though why I am now a dilettante for it? ..LOL
    I know damn well what those words really mean, as I grew up in Pittsburgh during the steel industry collaspe … trust me we suffered the same and Pittsburgh took those words to heart found strength in them and pulled together as individuals and families who built a new and better city for themselves. But now I wonder how coal mining would survive in this new green world … If things had gone another way we would still be in the same place blaming different people.

    Anyway, on topic …. I have read this blog from the begining, I for some reason assumed Sunny was it’s leader … with leadership comes resposibility, Since Thatcher came up … who are leaders you all do admire and in what way is this post and the twitter proudly put on display a reflection of the kind of people you would like to see in future leadership roles? Its more like a tabliod soap opera

  49. The Queen of Fiddlesticks — on 1st January, 2010 at 11:43 pm  

    LMAO! Folk like me?
    Judging by that statement, Im pretty sure I would be flattered by whatever assuptions have been drawn from nothing and placed me in the folk group. Im american I could give a shit about Thatcher really.I was simply asking you to expand your comment which you havent done.
    Thank you anyway

  50. Ravi Naik — on 2nd January, 2010 at 10:18 am  

    No he didn’t. He used the analogy of segregated buses sardonically and facetiously to bash the liberal mindset.

    There was no analogy or irony. There was an isolated incident where a white boy was beaten by blacks in a bus. Here is what Rush said:

    I think not only it was racism, it was justifiable racism. I mean, that’s the lesson we’re being taught here today. [White] Kid shouldn’t have been on the bus anyway. We need segregated buses — it was invading space and stuff. This is Obama’s America.

    You see, some people have not got over the fact they have a black President. He also asked:

    If homosexuality being inborn is what makes it acceptable, why does racism being inborn not make racism acceptable?

    Why would an idol to the “center-right” be obsessed in making racism acceptable and justifiable?

  51. Ravi Naik — on 2nd January, 2010 at 3:19 pm  

    Still, I must be a fool for not wanting to jump and down on my political foes’ graves. Even George Galloway, the shit. I just don’t have it in me. Stupid, stupid me.

    Marvin, while I am sure you are trying to win the “PP Humanitarian of the Year award”, I think you have a better shot at the “best sanctimonious rant” award.

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