More grim polling news for the BNP


by Sunny
28th December, 2009 at 11:40 am    

A reader at the Lancaster Unity blog writes:

The base polling figures for the minor parties run UKIP 4%, Greens 3% and BNP 2%. Of course, when you get down to figures like this there is a significant margin of error. The number of people responding is low, and the risk of sampling error is high, but the basic message is simple. None of these parties have any sort of widespread, national support in the context of a general election.

He then breaks down the polling numbers to point out that not only does support for the BNP remain very low, it is lowest among older people who are more likely to vote. The whole post is worth reading. He summarises:

None of this polling means that we can relax, or that we can ignore the danger of BNP progress at the general election. But what it does mean is that despite the election of two MEPs, despite Question Time, despite all the boasting, despite the lies and distortions in the popular press playing to the BNP agenda; despite all this the BNP have failed to make any significant progress in winning the hearts, minds and – especially – votes of the vast majority of the British people.

Exactly. While we continue to cover BNP related news on this blog, I’m always wary of falling for the media narrative that the BNP is some massive organisation on the brink of massive electoral victory. The media like that for two reasons: first because it’s exciting, and second because it then allows them to claim that to beat the BNP, people’s views on immigration (meaning their own views on immigration) must be heard. In other words most of the media use the BNP to push their own bigoted views on immigrants.


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  1. Neil Fawcett

    @pickledpolitics http://bit.ly/4UrCLM BNP failing "despite Question Time". Or is it bcause QT exposed Griffin's character to wider audience?


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    Reading: More grim polling news for the BNP: A reader at the Lancaster Unity blog writes:
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  1. Statt0 — on 28th December, 2009 at 11:53 am  

    I commented on this subject on the 20th Dec, http://bnpelectionresults.blogspot.com/2009/12/ukip-is-for-old-farts.html stating that UKIP had no one under 35 giving even an intention of voting for them. It is true that older people are more likely to vote, but in the long term those young voters will become older voters. So will be BNP voters for a longer period of time.

    At what point will the non elected UAF/searchlies admit that the people of this country do have concerns about how this country is being run in respect of the British people.

    UAF AND SEARCHLIES have never once stood a candidate in support of their own opinions. Where as the BNP have had in excess of a million people vote for them this year.

    Stand up and be counted, why don’t the UAF and Searchlies tell us, who is funding them and which political parties they are helping, and that way they can be counted against their expense forms.

  2. Lee John Barnes — on 28th December, 2009 at 12:02 pm  

    Oh yeah we are really worried about the polls.

    I suspect the Tories will win the next election on around a 19 % vote from the total population.

    Labour got in on a vote of 23 % of the total population.

    You no longer need a majority to win an election, just an empowered minority who will vote for you.

    Thats our role to build a nationalist electoral base whose power will rise as the support for the other parties wanes.

    The trend we look at is long term, not a polling result from a poll commissioned by our enemies and whose results are essentially meaningless.

  3. MaidMarian — on 28th December, 2009 at 12:29 pm  

    Sunny – Again!!!

    The BNP do not care about numbers of votes as a first priority. Their raison d’etre is to make their ideas common currency, votes are welcome but secondary. The more people are apathetic the better for the BNP.

    That is more or less what Barnes says above.

    In fact, I would imagine that the BNP very much dislike the media narrative about them being a big force on the brink of power – that narrative suggests that they are part of the ‘establishment’ when the BNP get their oxygen from being avowedly not the establishment. The more the media give them the establishment tag, the more scrutiny they get. Who knows, one day they might even be asked about costs?

    Electoral progress is not the point with the BNP, making the argument against their ideas and distortions very much is.

    As an aside here by the way – that Greens on 3% looks like a much bigger story here.

  4. MiriamBinder — on 28th December, 2009 at 12:40 pm  

    Like it or not there are always going to be those who are inclined towards ideologies such as portrayed by the BNP; and make no mistake about that, they are pushing an ideology rather then merely a political alternative.

    That being the case, I am more then happy to have the BNP as part of the political (with a lower case ‘p’) landscape. At least you know where to go when you want a self-absorbed, self-justifying individual who refuses to accept that they are responsible for their own lives.

  5. marvin — on 28th December, 2009 at 2:05 pm  

    second because it then allows them to claim that to beat the BNP, people’s views on immigration (meaning their own views on immigration) must be heard. In other words most of the media use the BNP to push their own bigoted views on immigrants.

    Baroness Warsi says it all for me on the issue.

    “The BNP and what they represent, they clearly have a race agenda; they clearly have a hate agenda.

    “But there are a lot of people out there who are voting for the British National Party and it’s those people that we mustn’t just write off and say ‘Well, we won’t bother because they are voting BNP or we won’t engage with them’.

    “They have some very legitimate views. People who say ‘we are concerned about crime and justice in our communities ? we are concerned about immigration in our communities’.

    “I think we need to have the debate. One of the problems why the BNP has been allowed to grow is sometimes certainly the Labour Party took the view that if we ignore them they will just go away.”

    It’s funny though, whenever anybody from the Labour party attempts to address immigration concerns of the working class (of whom, of course, immigration affects disproportionately with the slashing of labour costs), they are painted as crypto-fascist!

    Well, Labour will have a looong time to rethink these issues when they are in opposition for the next two terms.

  6. silver fox — on 28th December, 2009 at 2:33 pm  

    the bnp is the only party that addresses immigration with any conviction,all parties are missing one valuable point,the amount of money that immigrants send out of this country every week is undermining the stability of our economy.we are not talking of a few quid,we are talking about millions every week,its time that one of the parties took this problem on board

  7. MiriamBinder — on 28th December, 2009 at 2:39 pm  

    The BNP has forced the debate on immigration into a debate on polar issues. That is no real debate but rather a point scoring exercise and ultimately, no matter how enjoyable for those partaking, meaningless

  8. Sunny — on 28th December, 2009 at 4:24 pm  

    Miriam – agreed, above, in what you just said.

  9. Rumbold — on 28th December, 2009 at 5:55 pm  

    I agree with MaidMarian. We need to focus on two angles: exposing the lies and contradictions of the BNP’s policies, and pouncing on an non-racist popular issues that they have tried to make their own.

  10. MaidMarian — on 28th December, 2009 at 6:37 pm  

    Rumbold – yes.

    The BNP are a classic example of how one must treat politics and government separately.

    The BNP – sad to say – do politics very well and the assumption for too long has been that, ‘they are on 2% so that’s all OK then.’ The BNP are different from other mainstream parties in that they are not ‘positive’ in seeking power. This much has been obvious for some time, but the Barnes comment on here is, to my knowledge at least, the first time a BNP insider has actively confirmed that they do not bother about polls/votes first and foremost. I would be interesed if anyine has another BNP quote on not winning votes as first priority.

    What the BNP do is use politics and debate rather than advance electorally through it. By promising the land of milk and honey without ever actually being in danger of having to deliver it they can easily (to use Sunny’s buzz-phrase) capture hearts and minds. At that point the cross in the box matters not one bit.

    Indeed, it would be interesting to ask a BNP voter whether or not the genuinely believe that the BNP can deliver the land of milk and honey. I suspect most would say no.

    Politics is easy, government is messy. Politics is self-indulgent and government is compromise. And in the current day government is practiced in an atmosphere of confrontational talkboard vitriol.

    No – that 2% is not high on the list of BNP priorities now.

  11. Philip Hunt — on 28th December, 2009 at 8:31 pm  

    UKIP 4%, Greens 3% and BNP 2% [...] None of these parties have any sort of widespread, national support in the context of a general election

    These figures do not support this conclusion. The reason people don’t vote for these parties in general elections is because the Labservatives have gerrymandered the electoral system to make sure these votes don’t count.

    If you look at the last nationwide election held under PR, they got 16.5, 9.1 and 6.2 % respectively.

  12. Philip Hunt — on 28th December, 2009 at 8:34 pm  

    @2: I suspect the Tories will win the next election on around a 19 % vote from the total population. Labour got in on a vote of 23 % of the total population.

    Irrelevant, because if people can’t be arsed to get off their arses and put a cross on a piece of paper once every 5 years, they’ve no right to complain about how the country is run.

  13. MiriamBinder — on 28th December, 2009 at 9:26 pm  

    @ Phillip Hunt – re if the people can’t be arsed … Agreed 100%

  14. MaidMarian — on 28th December, 2009 at 9:36 pm  

    PhilipHunt – We can speculate all day about why people vote as they do in Euro/General/Local elections, however PR is something I would suggest is a spectacularly bad idea.

    It gives far too much influence to minority interests – would you be happy with Kingmaker Ian Paisley? Having a minority hold a gun to the collective head is not democracy.

    I would also add that my local council, elected by FPTP is a four way hung council that very closely reflects very well votes as cast.

    You are absolutely right about no-shows though, they can shut up. Decisions are made by people who show up.

  15. me — on 30th December, 2009 at 4:27 pm  

    Regardless of whether or not people are going to vote for the BNP, to say that most people are not concerned about immigration and that it is only the media pushing such concerns is innacurate. A poll this year states that 70% of Labour voters want a cut in immigration (and the percentage of voters across all the parties would probably be even more.) It’s not only the media who have concerns about immigration, and to say that any one with concerns about immigrants is “bigoted” is actually rather bigoted in itself.

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