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    The new Britons


    by Sunny on 9th August, 2006 at 9:59 PM    

    Pakistan may be licking their wounds after losing the Test series to England yesterday, but the real winners will be two rising stars, Monty Panesar and Sajid Mahmood, who may form the cornerstone of England’s bowling attack if they develop their game nicely.

    The Guardian said today: “By any standard this was a memorable day for the future of multiculturalism in modern Britain.” But this does not explain the extent of what is going on here.

    Most British Asians do the same with their country of origin. Not Monty Panesar or Sajid Mahmood though. The latter said two years ago: “I want to play for England as soon as possible and be one of the best bowlers around. People have talked about me going to the West Indies and that would be great but my aim is to play for England in a year so I’m working really hard to achieve that.”

    Sajid even ignored calls of ‘traitor‘ that the media has focused on, but we know all will be forgiven once he plays someone else.

    Sajid is not the first British Pakistani playing for his country. Usman Afzaal, Kabir Ali and Owais Shah have been here before. Adil Rashid and Moeen Ali are tipped for the future.

    montyI believe however that Monty Panesar is the first Panjabi Sikh player for England with a Turban (ok it’s a patka but same thing).

    Praise for him came yesterday from all quarters of the country today, including the Guardian leader, and more importantly captain coach Duncan Fletcher.

    They both have multiple identities: being Sikh, Muslim, British, Indian, Pakistani, South Asian and whatever else. But for the past few days, the only identity that mattered was that of being good cricketers.

    This isn’t multiculturalism as defined by government policy makers or the media. These are simply British boys playing for their country, excelling in what they do and showing they don’t need to prove anything when it comes to loyalties. Their actions speak for themselves.

    There are still too many talented sportsmen from this new generation of Britons that get overlooked. It’s about time the rest of Britain wakes up give them a chance to prove their worth.

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    1. Geezer — on 9th August, 2006 at 10:23 PM  

      Nice article Sunny!

    2. Old Pickler — on 9th August, 2006 at 10:29 PM  

      Totally agree.

      I don’t really understand cricket, but men look sexy in cricket togs, and can bowl a maiden over unless somebody stumps their middle wicket.

    3. Bert Preast — on 9th August, 2006 at 10:29 PM  

      I salute them both.

      Now pull your fingers out of your arses with football and save the world. Really.

    4. leon — on 9th August, 2006 at 10:29 PM  

      Very nicely put!

    5. leon — on 9th August, 2006 at 10:30 PM  

      Very nicely put, Sunny, that is!

    6. Bert Preast — on 9th August, 2006 at 10:32 PM  

      Damnit. :(

    7. pounce — on 9th August, 2006 at 11:07 PM  

      It’s about time as bloody well. For far too long have the Indians/Pakistani/Bangladeshi cricketers up north kept away from playing on the national scene. We have some of the best players in the country yet only know are we playing. With these new players the next world cup will be the one to watch.

    8. BevanKieran — on 10th August, 2006 at 1:15 AM  

      “By any standard this was a memorable day for the future of multiculturalism in modern Britain.”

      I find this sentiment a little worrying; what if we had lost? It wasn’t so long ago (1995)that the idea of a multi-ethnic cricket side pissed off one Wisden cricket writer, Robert Henderson, who suggested that non-white players and people born outside England should be barred from playing. (The article was entitled “Is it in the Blood?”). That would exclude Panesar, Mahmood, Strauss and Pietersen!!! Just as the recent successes of Panesar and Mahmood are utilised to give a positive impression of multi-ethnic Britain, the relative failings of Hick, Ramprakash and DeFreitas were used to prop up some pretty nasty racial ideas of what Englishness was about.

    9. Kismet Hardy — on 10th August, 2006 at 1:51 AM  

      I’ve interviewed two cricketers for the Asian media – Nasser Hussain and Mark Ramprakash – and they both specified before and reiterated during the interview: they didn’t want any questions about being Asian, not because they weren’t proud of their roots (well, Mark’s a bit confused about it anyway), but because they were afraid it might be interpreted that they weren’t loyal to Britain.

      Incidentally, I interviewed Imran Khan not so long ago and he didn’t want to talk about cricket any more than Jemima.

      But that could be because I kept asking tips on how to bowl maidens over when there was an earthquake on his mind…

      Hm

    10. sahib — on 10th August, 2006 at 9:35 AM  

      Like many brits of Pak origin I was supporting Pakistan in the recent series, but if England play anyone else I would be right behind them. And its great to see Monty and Sajid doing so well. Monty is truly the best English spinner around and should have a long career.

      The shouts of traitor towards Sajid were really stupid - the irony is that if the were an asian footballer playing for England - the UK’s asian community would be 100% behind him, including those guys who shouted traitor….

    11. j0nz — on 10th August, 2006 at 9:46 AM  

      Also under New Britons

      20 “asians” arrested over plots to peacefully blow up airplanes in mid-flight.

      Damned Hare Krishnas, no doubt. Anyway, it’s all imagined and these are just straw men, so pay no attention please.

    12. Sid — on 10th August, 2006 at 9:55 AM  

      And your point is?

    13. Kismet Hardy — on 10th August, 2006 at 10:08 AM  

      Oh Jonz. Here are people swinging a harmless bat to a ball and you decide to streak in and wave a red rag to a bull. You sadden me. Manipulative opportunism to waft blanket prejudice over a gentle amber in such a way is causing much of the unrest between people in the world today I fear

    14. Kismet Hardy — on 10th August, 2006 at 10:09 AM  

      You’re actually sound really happy about this Jonz

      Shame on you

    15. Old Pickler — on 10th August, 2006 at 10:18 AM  

      Which is worse, though? The fact that 20 Asian Methodists have been arrested in a terrorist plot, or the fact that Jonz mentions it?

      This doesn’t detract from the positive aspect of the main story here.

    16. j0nz — on 10th August, 2006 at 10:19 AM  

      “blanket prejudice”

      Eh? I am quoting from the news? I am using the term “asian” ironically. It’s rather despairing I need to point that out.

      I know you lot would rather talk about trivial matters, and such a flash of reality is rather to uncofortable. As you were…

      “ausing much of the unrest between people in the world today I fear”

      The problem is people like you - accusing ME of creating “unrest” in the world. I was wasn’t the one planning mass murder. But of course it’s my fault for being deeply prejudiced.

    17. Leon — on 10th August, 2006 at 10:22 AM  

      jOnz, please don’t derail this thread with your crap. I’m sure a post about todays events will be forthcoming once some actual facts are known…

    18. Kismet Hardy — on 10th August, 2006 at 10:23 AM  

      I know what I just said wasn’t english

    19. Kismet Hardy — on 10th August, 2006 at 10:25 AM  

      Jonz dude. You’re like The Sun. You want people to believe things are really shit. You want people to be afraid so you can point at the people you don’t like very much and say: it’s their fault. See? I’m right to not like them.

    20. Sid — on 10th August, 2006 at 10:35 AM  

      The thing is j0nz, the actions of these Methodist Asians affects me as much as it affects you. So what I resent most about your creepy racism is that I should feel more culpable than you.

    21. Alison — on 10th August, 2006 at 10:42 AM  

      In what way does Jonz sound happy about it? I dont think anyone is thrilled at the prospect of whats unfolding at Heathrow at the moment. OP is right it doesnt detract from this thread. Do you really need a seperate post to be able to acknowledge whats happening? Or is hiding behind accusations of ‘blanket prejudice’ just more convenient.

    22. TL — on 10th August, 2006 at 10:46 AM  

      The New Britons! dream on sonny…

      Just like these “young, British-born Asian men” trying to commit “mass murder on an unimaginable scale” as reported by sky televiosn news.

      PS when Sky says “young, British-born Asian men” I think they mean the ‘brown’ ones not the ‘yellow’ ones.

      PPS I’m a English born English man so I get through passport control without a second look from security, then again why would I want to commit “mass murder on an unimaginable scale” but blowing up my fellow English born men, women, and children.

      PPPS What did the Duke of Wellington once say? “…Because a man is born in a stable that does not make him a horse…”, and visa versa

    23. Kismet Hardy — on 10th August, 2006 at 10:48 AM  

      Jonz’s opening gambit was: also under new britons…

      If that isn’t saying these ‘new’, meaning ‘foreign’ folk called britains are responsible for all this, especially appearing in a thread about asian britons’ contribution to british cricket, then I’d say yeah, he sounds pretty happy to slip in the dig

    24. Kismet Hardy — on 10th August, 2006 at 10:49 AM  

      And out crawls TL…

      See Jonz, if you thought your comment was harmless, judge it by the horse’s arse that just followed you in…

    25. Old Pickler — on 10th August, 2006 at 10:50 AM  

      I’m a English born English man

      British Asians are also English born English men. (Unless they’re women or Scottish. Or Welsh even.)

    26. Leon — on 10th August, 2006 at 10:50 AM  

      Do you really need a seperate post to be able to acknowledge whats happening?

      Yes. This is about one aspect of British life, todays events are still unfolding and represent another facet. Trying to explore both in one thread might be a bit unwieldy, especially that we don’t know the full story behind todays events.

      Also, I think it’s striking that some on here are taking the government line on this hook line and sinker…

    27. Vikrant — on 10th August, 2006 at 10:51 AM  

      Oh fuck fuck fuck…. my entire family in stranded at heathrow enroute Washington DC.

    28. j0nz — on 10th August, 2006 at 10:54 AM  

      Also, I think it’s striking that some on here are taking the government line on this hook line and sinker…

      LOL - And the lefty/Muslim conspiracy theories immerge already.

      Leon, if you want to see how this is relavent, hold your nose, and purchase The Sun today - there is an excellent article on how two British asians ended up very different - one a cricketer and one a suicide bomber.

    29. Vikrant — on 10th August, 2006 at 10:54 AM  

      i’m scheduled to fly back home to terminal 4 on saturday nite… hopefully they’ll have airport in order by then…

    30. Leon — on 10th August, 2006 at 10:56 AM  

      LOL - And the lefty/Muslim conspiracy theories immerge already.

      Not quite, it’s called keeping your head while all around are losing theirs. I don’t think it’s helpful at this early stage to start flinging around accusations or insults.

    31. TL — on 10th August, 2006 at 10:57 AM  

      So if “…British Asians are also English born English men. (Unless they’re women or Scottish. Or Welsh even.)…”

      why on earth are they forming such large gangs to murder their fellow English men, women, and children????

    32. Bert Preast — on 10th August, 2006 at 10:57 AM  

      This’ll teach us to trounce ‘em in the cricket. :(

    33. sonia — on 10th August, 2006 at 11:01 AM  

      OP’s post no. 26 - good one.

      “PPS I’m a English born English man so I get through passport control without a second look from security.”

      don’t flatter yourself that will always be the case!

      I suppose the Yorkshire Ripper would’ve got through passport control as well..

    34. j0nz — on 10th August, 2006 at 11:01 AM  

      I don’t think it’s helpful at this early stage to start flinging around accusations or insults.

      See I think you’ll find I have been on the receiving end, see comments 14, 15, 18, 20, 24.

      …Which is understandable, if I wasn’t so deeply prejudiced these things would never happen in the first place…

    35. Alison — on 10th August, 2006 at 11:02 AM  

      Foreign? He didnt say that. Those arrested were British. They are also ‘New Britons’ Kismet. They choose to be islamic fanatics and attack other Britons. Many of those flying out and at grave risk were also probably ‘New Britons’. Its that J0nz appears to have an issue with. Besides, Islam is a religion not a race. You implying he doesnt like ‘foreigners’ or is racist is prejudiced also.

    36. Kismet Hardy — on 10th August, 2006 at 11:03 AM  

      Jonz, you are The White Van Man ;-)

      TL, 18 people are indeed such a large gang. I’m guessing you learned the theory of proportion in Israel… :-(

    37. Old Pickler — on 10th August, 2006 at 11:08 AM  

      This’ll teach us to trounce ‘em in the cricket

      Ho ho!

    38. Kismet Hardy — on 10th August, 2006 at 11:09 AM  

      Alison, I’m not calling Jonz a racist. I realise people who consider themselves proper English (ie no muslims in the family) feel pissed off by this but it seems like we’ve all lost sight of that crucial humane and sane trait: blame those responsible, not people like them.

      These days every time a bunch of extremist fuckheads get up to no good (and they are just a small, tiny pathetic bunch), the giant tarring brush comes out and the rest of us feel like we should apologise.

      As Sid said more eloquently, this affects Asians every bit as you

    39. Jai — on 10th August, 2006 at 11:11 AM  

      I wonder why it is that it doesn’t get through to the people concerned (and you know who you are) that the wannabe terrorists’ “Asian” background has got absolutely nothing to do with their actions and motivations.

      You may as well keep insinuating that Hitler and his cohorts were psychopaths because they were “European”. Or that Stalin caused the deaths of millions of people because he was Russian — indeed, again, “European”.

      It’s the ideology — or at least their interpretation of it — which is the problem and the root cause. Not their ethnicity.

      It feels as though we’re all shouting at a brick wall sometimes. The ears are open but the minds are closed.

    40. j0nz — on 10th August, 2006 at 11:15 AM  

      It’s the ideology — or at least their interpretation of it — which is the problem and the root cause. Not their ethnicity.

      I agree 100% - and that was kinda my original point.

    41. Kismet Hardy — on 10th August, 2006 at 11:16 AM  

      It’s amazing how little we rely on facts these days before we jump the gun. It’s not like the M15 aren’t paranoid or get it all wrong, now is it? I’m not saying these twats they arrested weren’t plotting something, but considering things get critical if someone so much as looks like a terrorist, I’m saddened to see how ready (and eager) some people are to believe that this could have cost many lives, just to prove they’re right to be on alert.

      (insert detract from middle east crisis conspiracy theory here)

    42. Leon — on 10th August, 2006 at 11:25 AM  

      It’s amazing how little we rely on facts these days before we jump the gun.

      Indeed.

    43. Kismet Hardy — on 10th August, 2006 at 11:31 AM  

      Leon, why don’t you put up a different thread with links to BBC and Sky or what have you and update it as facts arise?

    44. Roger — on 10th August, 2006 at 11:31 AM  

      Identification in cricket is a complicated business and needn’t have much to do with nationality- I always hope spin bowlers do well, no matter who they’re playing for. A friend of mine summed it up years ago at an England-West indies test match. “I’d like an England player to get a century, but I’d rather watch Richards get a century.”

    45. Alison — on 10th August, 2006 at 11:33 AM  

      Jai - that is precisely what I meant - ideology, religion and the fanaticism they choose. Islam is not a race or ethnicity. However the fact remains that some young British Asian men, ‘New Britons’, are choosing extremism. However uncomfortable that might be it needs acknowledgment.

      ‘White Van Man’ wouldnt give a shit about it Kismet, hardly a parallel.

      A large number of people from all backgrounds flying out today were threatened again by islamic terrorism. Recent polls have already shown people in the UK to be a tolerant bunch less inclined to knee jerk racism - whilst the reverse was true of some ‘New Britons’.

      So - at what point do we stop simply hoping it will all just ‘go away’ of its own accord? Or view the fall out of ‘racism’ and ‘tarring everybody with the same brush’ as the more important issue above dealing with these horrifying threats?

    46. Alison — on 10th August, 2006 at 11:36 AM  

      Good grief Kismet - its highly unlikely that the government would cost big business billions of pounds just because they were a bit jumpy. And worrying that you can be so blase about peoples lives.

    47. Kismet Hardy — on 10th August, 2006 at 11:38 AM  

      “‘White Van Man’ wouldnt give a shit about it Kismet, hardly a parallel.”

      I’m just mocking Jonz’s love of The Sun

      And yeah, the white van man is exactly the kind of Briton who don’t give a fuck about facts and dive into the kind of bollocks that cites there are thousands upon thousands of ordinary muslims who want sharia law here so it’s best to just hate ‘em all

      Just because jonz is intelligent and white van man’s a thicko doesn’t mean they’re not sharing and spreading the same fear…

    48. Jai — on 10th August, 2006 at 11:41 AM  

      jOnz,

      Thank you for the clarification (re: #41). My comment was also targetted at “TL” and those with a similar mindset. In case anyone has forgotten, almost 200 people were killed in Mumbai just a few weeks ago. The victims were also “Asian” and so were the terrorists. But their common ethnic background was irrelevant.

      OBL is not Asian. Neither are his senior “lieutenants”. Neither was Al-Zarqawi. Neither are most of the people involved in current jihadi operations in Iraq and other parts of the Middle East. A disproportionate number of actual-and-potential jihadists here in the UK are of Asian ethnicity because a disproportionate number of people from a certain religious background in the UK happen to be from the subcontinent, primarily due to certain historical ties resulting from the colonial period as we all know. That’s all.

      In case anyone hasn’t noticed, Saudi Arabia — which has been funding mosques and madrassas around the world, along with the Wahabbi ideology — isn’t actually located in the Indian subcontinent. A disproportionate number of problematic “clerics” here in the UK are also not Asian — they’re Middle-Eastern (“Hook”, Omar Bakri etc), even though unfortunately most - not all - of their followers who they are essentially using as cannon fodder happen to be Asian; but again, this isn’t specifically due to their ethnic background.

      I’m making this point because frankly I’ve had enough of people with a racist axe to grind using such events as an excuse to point fingers at what is alleged to be an “Asian problem”. TL’s comments are a prime example of this and something which need to be dealt with once and for all. The terrorists are not specifically targetting English people, they’re targetting British citizens en masse — which includes all of us — along with, in the case of the current events at Heathrow, American citizens, which includes people from all ethnic backgrounds. And may I remind you that there are approximately the same number of Asians (from multiple regional and religious backgrounds) living in the US as there are in the UK. Asian passengers would therefore have been killed too if the plot had been successful.

      As both Sid and Kismet have said, this affects all of us. For the terrorists, we are all targets as much as everyone else in this country.

      I don’t know whether all this will fall on deaf ears, but the point needs to be made explicitly and recorded here for all to read in black and white.

    49. Kismet Hardy — on 10th August, 2006 at 11:44 AM  

      “And worrying that you can be so blase about peoples lives.”

      On the contrary, I care deeply that people might have died. But I’m not going to start jumping up and down just because the powers that be suggests they have the ‘intelligence’ and I should therefore buy it wholsesale. I’m just a bit wary about how something like this happens whenever there are elections, summits and call for ceasefire going on, but that’s conspiracy theory territory. Just as absurd as your conclusions, seeing as we don’t know the full details yet.

      Suspicion works both ways, clearly

    50. Steven J — on 10th August, 2006 at 11:44 AM  

      Kismet Hardy it’s the British-Islamic extremists plotting to murder men women and children who are the primary source of fear spreading, not people like jOnz.

    51. Kismet Hardy — on 10th August, 2006 at 11:48 AM  

      Jeepers, where did that come from? I like Jonz.

    52. sonia — on 10th August, 2006 at 11:49 AM  

      never mind all the petty quibling. there’s hell of a lot of chaos going on out there. all flights to heathrow have been cancelled!

      nothing seems very clear but upto ‘10 planes’ targeted ..MI5 threat level now at Critical.

    53. Jai — on 10th August, 2006 at 11:55 AM  

      Alison,

      =>”However the fact remains that some young British Asian men, ‘New Britons’, are choosing extremism.”

      I understand your point, but it’s worth considering that the wannabe terrorists and their sympathisers have essentially “de-coupled” themselves psychologically (in many aspects physically) from fellow Asians who may be from a different religious background. They feel a closer kinship to co-religionists in the Middle-East and other locations around the world, who are obviously not “Asian” in the traditional sense of the term. To be blunt, they do not give a damn about the fact that the rest of us may share the same ethnicity as them — it’s completely irrelevant to them. The rest of us are “the enemy” as much as white English people are.

      And as I mentioned before, it’s not just British Asians who are “choosing extremism”. There has been enough media coverage over the past few years, including that programme on Channel 4 earlier this week, for you to have surely noticed that black and white converts are “choosing extremism” too, along with some people of a Middle-Eastern ethnic origin. I know that you — correctly — mentioned in your own post that race isn’t a factor here, but perhaps greater emphasis needs to be focused on the fact that the problem lies within some people of a certain religious background cutting right across multiple ethnic lines; this isn’t something just “within the Asian community” (despite what some people think, this is not a homogeneous, united social group or “block”), and as I said before, from the perspective of the jihadists their ethnic background — and commonality with the rest of us whose ancestry lies in the subcontinent — will be completely irrelevant.

    54. Bert Preast — on 10th August, 2006 at 12:04 PM  

      Erm, can we have a little less of the White Van Man racism please?

      It’s upsetting me and it’s upsetting my LWB Tranny.

    55. Kismet Hardy — on 10th August, 2006 at 12:06 PM  

      Aw, don’t be like that. I work just doors away from the sun’s wapping office and I do enjoy them parked up in rows trying to catch glimpses of page-3 girls and making lewd comments to my female colleagues. I know. Scary isn’t it? Someone gave me a job

    56. Alison — on 10th August, 2006 at 12:07 PM  

      Sonia - some 50 people are alleged to be involved with 21 arrests so far. All of those arrested were very very close to travelling. 6 planes United, Continental and one other i think… all destined for the US were targeted. Some kind of ‘liquid explosives’ involved in carry on luggage….all sounds horrendous.

    57. Bert Preast — on 10th August, 2006 at 12:08 PM  

      The use of the PC term “British Aisan men” has to stop, as in trying not to offend people it’s actually tarring others with the same brush unfairly. Richard Reid wasn’t a British Asian, and British Asians on the whole have no interest in bringing down airliners. The term should be British islamists.

    58. sonia — on 10th August, 2006 at 12:14 PM  

      jai’s point in no. 54 is a good one and worth considering the ins and outs of.

    59. raz — on 10th August, 2006 at 12:23 PM  

      Another good thread ruined.

    60. Alison — on 10th August, 2006 at 12:24 PM  

      Kismet - its the religion, I agree. But then again Islam is a religion correctly aligned with Asian communities. I did say ’some’ as Im aware of the points you raise in that it extends beyond. Im aware these are extreme elements. Nevertheless they exist and pose a threat.

      What of those polls conducted which present such hostility towards the wider community. The polls were conducted on British Asians.

      Again - A large number of people from all backgrounds flying out today were threatened again by islamic terrorism. I dont see how highlighting the concerns is any way prejudiced.

      Neither is shutting down the debate wholesale in favour of concern over islamophobia, racism…etc as happened when J0nz commented. After all if we arent to take the polls at face value then what are we to go by? Especially if suggesting there is an issue is ‘racist’ - what of debate?

      As I said before at what point do we stop simply hoping it will all just ‘go away’ of its own accord? Or view the fall out of ‘racism’ and ‘tarring everybody with the same brush’ as the more important issue above dealing with these horrifying threats?

    61. Alison — on 10th August, 2006 at 12:25 PM  

      sorry that was to Jai not Kismet

    62. Chairwoman — on 10th August, 2006 at 12:27 PM  

      Kismet Hardy - I agree with everything you’ve said and you may now leave the naughty corner.

      Sunny - I’m not a cricketing person, but this is great news for both sport and inter-race thingies generally.

    63. Leon — on 10th August, 2006 at 12:28 PM  

      Another good thread ruined.

      Indeed, I barely have time today to pull anything together for a new post too.>:[

    64. Bert Preast — on 10th August, 2006 at 12:29 PM  

      One for Kismet here, from the Gatwick airport site:

      “In brief: Hand baggage restrictions are in place; Passengers will be handsearched; Footwear and all items (including pushcairs and walking aids) must be x-ray screened; Liquids will be removed from the passenger.”

    65. Alison — on 10th August, 2006 at 12:36 PM  

      I thought it was a fairly relevant and some decent debate. Dont be so sour Raz. Its entirely possible to cheer on Englands cricketing pin up and discuss the unfolding events on the news. The post touches on the successes of what some call ‘multi-culturalism’ whilst taking in its clear failures. I think it was Jon Snow on Dispatches who coined the phrase ’separatists’.

    66. El Cid — on 10th August, 2006 at 12:40 PM  

      I know quite a few white van men, and they are pretty decent fellahs doing an important job. Different colours too, and the odd woman. So where would be without the distribution industry and skilled manual labour like plumbers, british gas workers, etc who use these white vans.
      Kismet, you’re an A-1 asshole if you fail to recognise that your middle-class prejudices are despicable. I’ll let you off though if you repent.

    67. Kismet Hardy — on 10th August, 2006 at 12:50 PM  

      Never. I’m not having you hoodwink me into giving up my A-1 Asshole Trophy. It’s the only thing I’ve ever won. Plus I’d be foolish to take on the white van man. Everyone in Britain, it seems, agrees with him. That Heather Mills, she should be flogged for what she done to our Paul. Lady Macca, Lady Mucca more like. Personally, I blame them immigrants for all the trouble in the world. They come over here, steal our jobs, I should know, I carted ten of ‘em in the back of me van just yesterday, paid me in rupees

      Oh and I’m not middle class. My parents were filthy rich tea plantation owners and I had maidservants wiping my arse and shit…

    68. Vikrant — on 10th August, 2006 at 12:53 PM  

      Thankfully BA did arrange an alternate flight for my mum!!! been worried like shit all this morn…

    69. Vikrant — on 10th August, 2006 at 12:54 PM  

      Oh and I’m not middle class. My parents were filthy rich tea plantation owners and I had maidservants wiping my arse and shit…

      Hmm…. you shity taka-millionarie snob…

    70. Vikrant — on 10th August, 2006 at 12:56 PM  

      BA0293 LHR IAD 10 AUG 17:10 10 AUG 17:10 Estimated

    71. El Cid — on 10th August, 2006 at 12:56 PM  

      yet more cliches but an effective humourous flourish at the end

    72. Old Pickler — on 10th August, 2006 at 12:57 PM  

      Lady Mucca more like

      The divorce is going to cost Macca an arm and a leg.

    73. Kismet Hardy — on 10th August, 2006 at 12:57 PM  

      “Hmm…. you shity taka-millionarie snob…”

      I coulda been. But then my parents went and lost everything through a family feud, losdt everything here thanks to Thatcher, and then lost me thanks to me and my smack dealer

    74. Vikrant — on 10th August, 2006 at 12:57 PM  

      ARG… My post above was meant for you guys… crap… Sunny jus delete it.

    75. Vikrant — on 10th August, 2006 at 12:59 PM  

      But then my parents went and lost everything through a family feud

      Typical Asian….

    76. Kismet Hardy — on 10th August, 2006 at 1:00 PM  

      Thanks for the redemption El Cid! For the record, I’ve got nothing against the White Van Man. Just a joke gone wrong. You’re right to pull me up on it though ;-)

    77. Vikrant — on 10th August, 2006 at 1:01 PM  

      losdt everything here thanks to Thatcher

      What was the SWP line again? “Maggie Thatcher milk snatcher”… poo’ah ole Kismet.

    78. Kismet Hardy — on 10th August, 2006 at 1:02 PM  

      Vikrant, repeat 100 times: Typical Asian is a bad thing to say

    79. Kismet Hardy — on 10th August, 2006 at 1:03 PM  

      Vikrant, no poor ole’ me. My parents were twats. I’m one for very, very different reasons, but proud of them all ;-)

    80. g — on 10th August, 2006 at 1:12 PM  

      This article is better than the other one about Monty which I think was written by Rohin. That was all ‘the white man has accepted us! Praise the Lord!’ etc.

      The only problem I have with this is that as soon as Monty goes through a slump he’ll be kicked off because the Asian players are never given as much of a chance as the white players. Monty hasn’t even been chosen for the ODI sqaud which is quite unfair. Harmison has chosen and his 10 overs against Sri Lanka were the most expensive an English bowler has ever bowled. It doesn’t really make any sense to me.

    81. Alison — on 10th August, 2006 at 1:15 PM  

      Good one OP…

    82. El Cid — on 10th August, 2006 at 1:21 PM  

      I dunno g, this Monty geezer really does get some proper turn. I aint ever seen Tuffers, Edmonds, Giles, et all do that. I think we might give him an extended run. But if doesn’t, don’t play the race card, there’s a good chap. It really is a bit previous

    83. Kismet Hardy — on 10th August, 2006 at 1:24 PM  

      So anyhoo, a Sun reporter asks Paul McCartney: after what’s happenned with the end of your marriage, can you see yourself ever going down on one leg again?

      Says Paul McCartney: I’d prefer it if you called her Heather

    84. Steven J — on 10th August, 2006 at 1:25 PM  

      Alison

      What of those polls conducted which present such hostility towards the wider community. The polls were conducted on British Asians

      How helpful is the phrase British Asians? It’s not about Hindus and Sikhs, who are also British Asians, nor is talking of ‘Asians’ relevant to Somalians, Turks, Bosnians, Arabs, and other converts to Islam. You have to refine your terminology if you want to be precise.

    85. Sunny — on 10th August, 2006 at 1:32 PM  

      It’s not about Hindus and Sikhs, who are also British Asians, nor is talking of ‘Asians’ relevant to Somalians, Turks, Bosnians, Arabs, and other converts to Islam.

      You’ll find, if you listen to Asian radio stations such as the BBC Asian Network, that lots of Hindu and Sikh British Asians also frequently don’t feel British or harbour frustration towards not being accepted because of personal experiences of racism.

    86. Bert Preast — on 10th August, 2006 at 1:35 PM  

      Using blanket terms doesn’t stop the ignorance - if anything it makes it worse. Remeber that sikh bloke murdered by a mad redneck in the US after 9/11?

    87. El Cid — on 10th August, 2006 at 1:35 PM  

      oops….. um… er……
      http://www.sportinglife.com/cricket/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=cricket/06/08/10/CRICKET_England_Panesar.html

    88. j0nz — on 10th August, 2006 at 1:37 PM  

      lots of Hindu and Sikh British Asians also frequently don’t feel British or harbour frustration towards not being accepted because of personal experiences of racism.

      Oh FFS. Do they Sunny? Good lord. Well at least these unbritish/frustrated Sikhs/Hidhus don’t seek mass murder to expresss themselves.

    89. AKA — on 10th August, 2006 at 1:38 PM  

      Would be better if you did your research better in the future, i don’t know if this has been noted already but duncan fletcher is england’s coach not their captain as you have stated.

      That’s andrew strauss responsibility at the moment!

    90. Simon B — on 10th August, 2006 at 1:58 PM  

      Monty is fantastic. The best English spinner I can remember. The ball that got Younis Khan out on Tuesday was awesome. Shane Warne would have been proud of it. I can’t imagine Mahmood being in the team when Jones and Flintoff are back, though he is a lot better than Plunkett.
      Even Monty might get shoved out, because of the insane insistence on only having four proper bowlers. I think that would be a tragedy, as he has huge potential.

    91. Luton Breh — on 10th August, 2006 at 2:10 PM  

      yeah monty representing luton’s talent he really fixed up his game in the last 5-6 years especially his technique

    92. Sunny — on 10th August, 2006 at 2:20 PM  

      AKA - thanks for pointing that mistake out, it’s changed now.

      J0nz: Well at least these unbritish/frustrated Sikhs/Hidhus don’t seek mass murder to expresss themselves.
      Well, they’re not averse to it, as history shows. But anyway, your statement can apply to most Muslims too. Do you take personal responsibility for the actions of neo-nazis?

    93. Old Pickler — on 10th August, 2006 at 3:06 PM  

      Last Christmas, Macca gave Heather a brand new artificial leg costing £50,000.

      And that wasn’t even the main present. It was just a stocking filler.

    94. Kismet Hardy — on 10th August, 2006 at 3:13 PM  

      Since we’re dusting out the old ones…

      What do you call a dog with wings?

      Linda McCartney

    95. Jai — on 10th August, 2006 at 4:50 PM  

      One last post from me on this thread. Apologies for being off-topic (especially as Sunny’s opened a new thread related to today’s events), but I absolutely have to respond to Alison’s comments:

      Alison,

      =>”But then again Islam is a religion correctly aligned with Asian communities.”

      It’s also aligned with large numbers of British citizens from Africa and the Middle East.

      =>”What of those polls conducted which present such hostility towards the wider community. The polls were conducted on British Asians.”

      For the love of God, no they weren’t. They were conducted on British Muslims of all ethnic backgrounds.

      Perhaps you’re not aware of the actual figures. According to the 2001 census, 2.1% of the UK is of Indian origin, the vast majority of whom (especially in the UK) are Hindu or Sikh, in approximately equal numbers. 1.4% of the British population is Pakistani, who are predominantly or almost entirely Muslim. However, 3.1% of the British population is Muslim.

      Even if you factor in the smaller numbers of Bangladeshi Muslims and the even smaller numbers of Sri Lankan Muslims (Sri Lankans are mostly Hindu or Buddhist), that still leaves a huge number of people here who are Muslim but not of Asian origin.

      I’m sure you can do the maths.

    96. Alison — on 10th August, 2006 at 5:18 PM  

      LOL OP. On a roll.

      OK Jai. Calm down. Fair enough. An issue with Islam..At what point do we stop simply hoping it will all just ‘go away’ of its own accord? Or view the fall out of ‘racism’ and ‘tarring everybody with the same brush’ as the more important issue above dealing with the actual threats: You said yourself you have had enough of people with a racist axe to grind.

      Frankly Ive had enough of people with a religious axe to grind. And more so with those who would accuse me of racism for saying so. Since when has religion been a race.

    97. Amir — on 14th August, 2006 at 11:27 PM  

      Sunny…

      (I) ‘They both have multiple identities’

      Who cares? BNP skinheads and KKK Wizards have multiple identities. Nick Griffin, Jorg Haider, Osama Bin Laden and Jean Marie Le Pen have multiple identities. I, too [not to be confused with the former, mind you], have multiple identities. In which case, is it fair to assume that my multiple multipleness (or whatever you want to call it) is a priori proof that you don’t need silly multicultural policies or flowery left-wing platitudes about ‘anti-racism’ to inculcate a strong sense of national pride? [gasp]

      (II) ‘This isn’t multiculturalism as defined by government policy makers or the media.’

      Dark skinned Boltonian pace-bowlers and turban-wearing Sikh-spinners have nothing to do with that ugly buzzword. If anything… Sajid Mahmood’s contempt for the hate-filled, anti-British hecklers who heckled him during Pakistan’s match combined with his outspoken denunciations of Islamism (quoted, just recently, in the Daily Mail… omitted, quite conveniently, from the Guardianista) is a striking testament to the power and social utility of patriotism.

      Monty & Mahmood didn’t become world-class cricketers by moaning or whinging or attributing their own shortcomings to an intrinsically ‘racist’ society. Oh no. These two gifted individuals owe their success to self-discipline, hard-work, patience, and a healthy attitude to tradition, etiquette and experience. I, for one, could learn a lot from their gumption and grit-determination.

      Bravo, bravo,

      Amir

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