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  • New poll shows why multi-culturalism works


    by Sunny
    14th December, 2009 at 8:37 am    

    The Times reports:

    …on average 78% of Muslims identified themselves as British, although this dropped by six points in east London. This compares with 49% of Muslims who consider themselves French and just 23% who feel German. The findings, based on more than 2,000 detailed interviews, suggest that Muslims may be better integrated in Britain than in other parts of the European Union.

    The report will reopen the debate about the merits of multiculturalism, a policy that has actively promoted cultural and religious differences among minorities in Britain but has been criticised as a barrier to integration by Trevor Phillips, chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission. France prides itself on its secular notion of citizenship and has banned Muslim pupils from wearing the hijab, or headscarf, in classrooms. Yet the study, by the Open Society Institute, found only 41% of Muslims in Paris see themselves as French.

    In Britain, researchers focused on Leicester, which is often held up as a successful model of multiculturalism, and Waltham Forest, east London, where bungled police raids on nearby Forest Gate in 2006, targeting suspected extremists, had alienated many Muslims.

    The survey found that levels of patriotism are much higher among second-generation Muslims. In Leicester, 72% of Muslims born abroad said they felt British; this figure jumped to 94% among UK-born Muslims.

    The study and report is a slap in the face for right-wing dogma on the issues concerned for many reasons.

    Firstly, it shows that Britain’s relaxed attitude to differences in religion and culture has made British Muslims more likely to identify with this country and be proud of the liberal traditions they live in, rather than constantly face state-sanctioned discrimination like in Switzerland and France.

    Secondly, it shows that Muslims (and this goes for minorities generally) feel much more British than their parents. The figure for British born Muslims is 94% and similar for non-Muslim minorities. In other words the offspring of minorities end up taking the identity of the country they’re born in - rather than become the fifth columnists that right-wing columnists portray them as.

    Third - Britain is a model for other European countries to follow. Not only for its relaxed attitude towards differences between people, but also because it is moving away from Britishness being defined as a genetic, ethnic or cultural identity. It’s the idea of a nation as a people together - whether towards a common purpose or towards commonly shared ideals, that makes it cohesive. Neither of these need to be defined by trying to exclude people, as Germany and France have consistently tried to do.

    This is what makes Britain great and this is why the percentage of minorities who feel ‘British’ is so high.


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    1. mreugenides — on 14th December, 2009 at 12:58 am  

      Agreed - though of course you are happy to label opponents of immigration as simply “right wing”. This may be a reliable enough indicator of political bias among the punditocracy, but out there in the real world, people who identify themselves as opposed to immigration are as likely to vote Labour as Tory (if not more so).

      But yes, Britain's track record on this is a lot better than just about any Western nation and certainly than most of our European friends. This is something of which we should all be proud.

      I'm not sure it's an endorsement of multiculturalism, though. It's a reflection of British tolerance for diversity and the corresponding vigour with which most immigrants have carved out a niche in this society. The official policy of multiculturalism is a rather different beast and I'm not sure there's anything in this survey that identifies it, particularly, as a success.

    2. MiriamBinder — on 14th December, 2009 at 12:59 am  

      I remain rather wary of polls that attempt to read a pervasive feeling for 2.8% (+/-) of the population of 28.8 million (+/-) from a sample of 0.8% (+/-). Having said that, in its favour the study did rely on 'in-depth' interviews rather then merely a tick-a-box response.

      Overall I'll admit that the findings seem far closer to the realities as I experience them in my everyday dealings with my fellow travellers along society's highways and byways.

    3. Boris Watch — on 14th December, 2009 at 1:24 am  

      “you are happy to label opponents of immigration as simply “right wing”.”

      I didn't read it like that, more that (and correct me if I'm wrong) 'thinly disguised Islamophobic racism disguised as 'concern' over 'multiculturalism' is common among right wing commentators'. Which it is. Unquestionably. See the outrageous failure to treat the Swiss referendum story as an example of where Britain is clearly more civilised and tolerant of individual rights.

      Also the 'right-wing dogma' referred to is about British Muslims living within British society, not immigrants coming in, although it obviously covers the point that Muslim immigrants integrate in much the same way as Irish or Jewish or Huguenot immigrants before them, which means there's no particular need to worry about it beyond what should concern us generally about immigration (can we afford it? what are the economic consequences on taxation, housing, transport, education, health services etc.? what skills will enhance the country's workforce? are we meeting our civilised duty to help those fleeing persecution, famine and war?), Britain as it is currently set up is clearly more than capable of assimilating immigrant populations within a couple of generations and, surely, that's a good thing?

    4. Richard — on 14th December, 2009 at 1:38 am  

      Interesting findings which I hope are correct. I recall that around the time of the invasion of Afghanistan a disturbing poll showing around 80% of Muslims opposed to the invasion while the majority of non-Muslims supported it. Let us hope that this divide is now overcome.

      By the way, I thought you had helped kill multiculturalism? http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/22/how…

    5. marcus — on 14th December, 2009 at 1:46 am  

      Can anyone comment on why this story has not been touched by a single national news paper.

      http://www.rotherhamadvertiser.com/News.aspx?id…

      it seems the powers that be do everything they can to shield negative news about immigration from the rest of the population. Possible we are not grown up to handle it or maybe people might just start noticing a pattern.

    6. 5cc — on 14th December, 2009 at 2:00 am  

      @ Marcus:

      it seems the powers that be do everything they can to shield negative news about immigration from the rest of the population.

      You're joking, right?

    7. Rumbold — on 14th December, 2009 at 2:07 am  

      I'm shocked anyone admits to being French.

      Does this poll show that multiculturalism works though? It sounds more like Muslims are sick of being held to double standards (I never get asked if I feel British or to condemn things) and so just say “I feel British” as a reflex. I would in that situation (that's not to say they don't 'feel British' mind).

    8. Trofim_Vissarionovich — on 14th December, 2009 at 2:11 am  

      I'm not sure what relation the article bears to the title. The article appears to be about Muslims.
      If I read an article entitled “Vegetarianism is good for you” and found out that the article was about how runner beans contained more Vitamin X than broad beans, Pinto beans and several other kinds of bean then I would consider the title misleading. Does anyone, incidentally, have a rigorous operational definition of “multicultural” means, if anything, other than being a pure “hurrah” word?

    9. cjcjc — on 14th December, 2009 at 2:15 am  

      It’s time we accepted that multiculturalism – in the form of viewing people as different ethnic minority groups and working with ‘community leaders’ – is dead.

      (Sunny Hundal)

      There's a big difference between a “relaxed attitude to differences in religion and culture” and the definition above.

      Relative to much of Europe the UK is a very tolerant country, which does make Britain great.

      Though obviously there is a difference between “relaxed” and “supine”.

      Anyway, excellent news.

    10. Cauldron — on 14th December, 2009 at 2:26 am  

      cjcjc - I was about to pick up on the same phrase but you beat me to it. Whether one accepts that this poll proves that multiculturalism works depends on whether one believes that multiculturalism is nothing more than a way of promoting a “relaxed attitude to differences in religion and culture”.

      However, if the essence of multiculturalism is to exaggerate things that differentiate us over things that bring us together then perhaps the results of this poll are in spite of multiculturalism, not because of it.

    11. frolix22 — on 14th December, 2009 at 2:32 am  

      I am a little dubious on certain of the consequences drawn in the article itself but I agree with it on a general level and I think that these survey results are very encouraging.

    12. camilla — on 14th December, 2009 at 3:05 am  

      aha … it's high time to ask again - how many muslims still think that it's ok to kill non-muslims and approve religioulsy motivated violence (of course not towards them)? last survey had shown 40 % of them. And now these people feel themselves British, German or whatever… niiiiiice… maybe even more British, German than the native ones… and maybe they think that they - muslims deserve to live in Europe more when some “those infidels”

    13. MiriamBinder — on 14th December, 2009 at 3:23 am  

      Thinking and doing are two different things. I don't really care whether or not you think it is right to kick a dog when its down … I'd get pretty miffed if you decided to do so though …

    14. Boyo — on 14th December, 2009 at 3:29 am  

      Research can prove anything you like. What's their idea of British? The Ummah actually rejects the nation state, so really it makes no odds.

      Because multiculturalism by definition denies any dominant culture, except a we can be whatever we want Britishness, it's little wonder they are so patriotic. Does the survey question them about their values?

    15. A.C. — on 14th December, 2009 at 3:37 am  

      Boyo you have just beaten me to it!

      What's their idea of British? … Does the survey question them about their values?

      Exactly.

      It is a non-sequitur to claim that because some people say they are British that multiculturalism works.

      If you are a muslim man who believes that women and homosexuals are second class citizens, you can still claim to be 'British' but that doesn't mean that Multiculturalism 'works' for Britain.

      Britain is a set of shared values as much as it is a population, and if parts of the population are encouraged not to share mainstream values (Multiculturalism) then those people are not really British from the values point-of-view.

    16. halima — on 14th December, 2009 at 4:05 am  

      Boyo

      I guess you're assuming that every Muslim holds steadfast to the Ummah? I don't know if this is true - for many Muslims, it's just as likely they don't know what the Ummah is - and if they did - it's some far out thing that's political and most ordinary Muslim folks going about their day, probably don't do political Islam?

      I personally like the idea of appealing to something outside the nation state, if i was alive during the Spanish Civil War I would've joined that fight .. Would that have made me any less British? I dunno. Britishness itself isn't just a steadfast belief in the nation-state, not for me, anyway.

    17. MiriamBinder — on 14th December, 2009 at 4:09 am  

      The discussion regarding what is Britishness has reared its head on and off over the years. Funnily enough there is no list of what is or isn't Britishness despite the various attempts to formulate one. To some it is red pillar boxes, picket fences and hedge-rowed fields, to others it is a piss-up every Friday night followed by curry, a Saturday spent getting over a hang-over and Sunday roast dinner at Mums'. Others still view 'Last of the Summer-wine'/The Darling Buds of May/Three Men in a Boat as definitive … I suppose there are as many views of Britishness as there are people formulating the view.

      Ultimately, it isn't what people think but rather what people do that determines acceptable or unacceptable behaviour. It matters not one iota whether or not I hold that men are a waste of space provided I treat every male with due civility, respect and acknowledgement.

    18. A.C. — on 14th December, 2009 at 4:31 am  

      Miriam Binder, thanks for that radfem tangent, back to the topic…

      I can say with certainty that belief in a free choice of marriage partner is a British value.

      You won't find one politician who would disagree with that.

    19. Ravi Naik — on 14th December, 2009 at 4:50 am  

      Because multiculturalism by definition denies any dominant culture, except a we can be whatever we want Britishness, it's little wonder they are so patriotic. Does the survey question them about their values?

      What multiculturalism does - as Sunny says - is to relax its attitude to differences in religion and culture. There is clearly a dominant British culture in which other minority cultures revolve around. There are extreme cases where people are completely isolated from the dominant culture, but most people who come from abroad and their descendants deal and adapt to it.

      The fact that people actually feel accepted as part of Britain is something significant, and I would say not very good news for the BNP and other merchants of social and religious exclusion.

    20. MiriamBinder — on 14th December, 2009 at 4:52 am  

      AC read it again and you will see that it is very much on topic. It is by actions that people are judged not by thoughts or values.

    21. Boyo — on 14th December, 2009 at 5:03 am  

      “Britishness itself isn't just a steadfast belief in the nation-state, not for me, anyway.”

      Then you agree with me Halima? That would be a first!

      Miriam, the reductive angle on cultural identity is always employed by multicultis to suggest there is no such thing as (British) culture, although oddly the other cultures that constitute our “multi-culture-all” nation seem to exist. What is Indian culture other than a penchant for curry? But that's British too isn't it? Ergo Indian culture does not exist. Nonsense of course, but surprisingly effective - supported I suppose by that other pillar in the armoury of the multi-culti: the racist smear.

    22. Abdul Abulbul Emir — on 14th December, 2009 at 5:14 am  

      Mrs A says

      You know what Abdul ?

      I'm getting tired of all this British are so tolerant blah di blah stuff.

      They are certainly not tolerant Abdul. They just don't give a damn about us foreigners.

      They don't give a damn about each other either . Look at their class system.

      It's the ultimate in not giving a damn I say.

      They are a cruel dispassionate people which is why they ignore all the migrants around them.

      Those continentals on the other hand care deeply about things which is why they get upset about Islam.

      The only Brits who are tolerant are those in the Public Sector or politics where it pays them to like us.

      I am not fooled by all this Abdul.

      Phew. Peace be upon me.

    23. A.C. — on 14th December, 2009 at 5:20 am  

      Miriam

      It is by actions that people are judged not by thoughts or values.

      So you are saying that the survey quoted by Sunny (about thoughts) is no indicator of the success of multiculturalism?

    24. Boyo — on 14th December, 2009 at 5:27 am  

      I think there's a lot of truth in what Mrs A says.

    25. Pobeda — on 14th December, 2009 at 5:33 am  

      Marcus, be careful!

      Any more of that stuff about what's happening in the real world - especially anything about men of the you-know-who community taking too active an interest in any of the woad-smeared underage indigenous females and you'll be cast into outer darkness as an ungoodthinkful person!

      DIVERSITY IS GOOD!

      CELEBRATE DIVERSITY!

      BECAUSE DIVERSITY IS GOOD!

    26. Boyo — on 14th December, 2009 at 5:39 am  

      I think if you want an example of how one can practice another faith (indeed be of another “race”, as they and others might have it) one only has to look at the Jewish community (MB, I know): Michael Howard is a good example how one can be both 100 per cent British and of a non-Christian heritage.

      British Jews have certainly not had an easy ride in this country, but their engagement with the host community should be the paradigm for all immigrant communities.

      I think the basic difference is that when they (like my great-great-grandparents) settled here was no such thing as multiculturalism and they just had to fit in without well-meaning liberals encouraging them not to.

    27. MiriamBinder — on 14th December, 2009 at 6:34 am  

      Nope … that wasn't at all what I was saying. You elected to read my post without referring to the context. If people want to get het-up about abstract concepts such as Multiculturalism who am I to implore they don't waste their time.

      If the above survey - with findings based on in-depth interviews - indicates anything it indicates the total irrelevance of abstract terms such as Multiculturalism or Bridges in Diversity to the daily lives of people.

    28. marvin — on 14th December, 2009 at 9:56 am  

      This is the most positive poll so far, yet as in the article in contradicts previous polls. But of course you are happy to dismiss all the previous polls as biased, and this as the truth :)

      Previous polls have shown British Muslims to be the least integrated in the Western world, and more likely to call themselves Muslim first than British.

      If you assume that each poll is roughly true give or take some, then this shows a huge shift in opinion and hostility. Good news indeed. I think we have to thank people like Baroness Warsi for this, and the passing of time from the Iraq invasion.

    29. boyo — on 14th December, 2009 at 10:05 am  

      The thing is, perhaps they were quite happy to define themselves as Muslim first, British second - only no one asked them. In fact perhaps that's why they were less “patriotic” in other countries - ie, the French expect them to place their belonging to France above any other identity, the fascists.

    30. marvin — on 14th December, 2009 at 10:13 am  

      I wonder has religiousity changed also? Atttidues to issues such as apostasy? Previously 1 in 3 Muslim youths said the punishment should be death. What about attitudes to 9/11? Previously 56% believed 9/11 attacks nothing to do with Arabs.

    31. marvin — on 14th December, 2009 at 10:30 am  

      True. Perhaps the point about putting Muslim or British first should be discarded as not being particularly comparable due to different attitudes to patriotism across the globe.

      Though it would be nice of Sunny to admit it's an apparently huge shift in opinions. The article is worded as if it's always been that way. Yet the Guardian article from 2006 flatly contradicts this.

    32. MiriamBinder — on 14th December, 2009 at 12:23 pm  

      Unless the Guardian article based any findings on a poll conducted with the same methodology you are hardly comparing like with like.

    33. boyo — on 14th December, 2009 at 12:47 pm  

      Miriam, multiculturalism is not really the issue: it's simply the symptom of mass immigration. Multiculturalists (of the left) are a mix of optimists - they believe in the ability for us all to simply get on, despite the overwhelming historical evidence to the contrary - or useful idiots. The real debate is about mass immigration and its use to destroy the bargaining power of the working class. Criticism of immigration inevitably became “racist” and beyond the pale, thereby stifling serious debate. Game set and match to the ruling classes, and incidentally a minor industry for their left-leaning patsies. In any case the horse has bolted. It's just about coping now.

    34. MiriamBinder — on 14th December, 2009 at 1:30 pm  

      Multiculturalism of varying degrees has always been part and parcel of most societies and certainly class based societies such as Britain was certainly pre- and to a somewhat less obvious but no less extant measure post the two world wars.

      The term 'mass immigration' is a value laden term and a rather pejorative value at that. It is indicative of raging hordes rampaging across borders in the manner of Genghis Khan & Co. To an extent both immigration and emigration have been facts of national life since the first nation states were established; in that sense, nothing has really changed. What has changed has been the perception of immigration. The idea that hordes are streaming across the borders but instead of rampaging, pillaging and looting, they come to steal jobs, take up scarce housing and milk benefits.

      As for the bargaining power of the working classes … we should have stopped when we were ahead rather then assume that a lad/lass who could not be bothered to mark his/her time training or studying should still be able to earn enough to have an annual holiday abroad, a brand new car every few years and all the latest gadgets. Why should an average working class uneducated and untrained lout/loutess have the same economic power as another who has spent an additional 10 year + in education/training? Sure they deserve a living but most certainly not an equivalent wage . However that is another argument and certainly not for this topic.

    35. marvin — on 14th December, 2009 at 1:31 pm  

      Mmmm.

      Well this poll is the most optimistic poll I've come across with regards to attitudes of British Muslims, in contrast to nearly all the surveys and polls of the British Muslim community in recent years. I am not going to go though and list them, you know that they have been aplenty, with significant proportions, esp the younger generation, apparently displaying a serious sense of alienation and hostility to 'Western values'.

      But of course it's a very complex issue with endless permutations for analyses. It may be easier to call oneself British than French due to the solid secular nature of French society.

    36. MiriamBinder — on 14th December, 2009 at 1:45 pm  

      I agree that it is an extremely optimistic poll. I seem to recall stating in my first post on this issue that its findings are probably closer to the facts as I have seen them to be in my daily comings and goings on streets and within communities made up of people from various ethnic and cultural backgrounds here in the South of England. Certainly much closer to reality then any cursory glance at some of the more prevalent headlines would lead one to assume.

      I believe however that one of the reasons we have been able to reach these conclusions as a result of this poll is because of the methodology employed; namely the in-depth interviews. Most, that is not to say all, other polls have been of the sliding scale or pick an option variety (agree, mostly agree, somewhat agree, somewhat disagree, mostly disagree, disagree or yes/no/unsure).

    37. douglas clark — on 14th December, 2009 at 1:58 pm  

      Could someone point me to the actual report?

    38. marvin — on 14th December, 2009 at 3:49 pm  

      Here's the organisation

      http://www.soros.org/initiatives/home

      Let us know if you find the report.

    39. soru12 — on 14th December, 2009 at 5:26 pm  

      Report is here, though I couldn't find the comparison country statistics: everything seems to be aggregated across the whole EU, which seems kind of useless.

      I suspect any differences with previous surveys have a lot to do with the fact the city they picked to study was Leicester. not Bradford. That's a city that has a lot of the form of multiculturalism that says 'we are holding a festival, everyone is invited' and rather less of the type that says 'you lot get some money, and you lot get some money, and you lot get some money, now all bugger off'.

    40. douglas clark — on 14th December, 2009 at 5:48 pm  

      Marvin & soru12,

      Yes, that seems to be the report. But it doesn't provide the raw data that I think both Soru and I both think is required. It is really difficult to make heads or tails of the data when you don't see all of it.

      The alienation that Muslims seem to feel to Germany is far worse than that felt towards the UK, apparently. Maybe.

      They need to release the basic tables comparing each city before anyone could comment meaningfully, I think.

      There may be areas where other countries should be learning from us and vice versa, but that is as clear as mud.

    41. halima — on 14th December, 2009 at 7:23 pm  

      I don't know what Muslims are supposed to feel when they read such and such poll, as Rumbold says they/I am probably sick of it.

      Every Muslim I know feels British - despite attempts to question their belonging here. Most Muslims I know are working class , too. Even if they chose to put their religious identity first as self-identification, that doesn't make them less British.

      Question is - are most British people happy to accept British Muslims practice their faith? Surely that's the poll worth conducting. It would be interesting to see.

      Boyo, Michael Howard is a good example of a public figure who negotiates his different identities well. But I'd also argue, that we should be able to make space for many types of different identities.

      With regards to your point about earlier Jewish populations coming into the UK and not needing so-called muliticulturalism, I think time and places are different. The way in which the British Jewish population has fought back anti-semitism and anti-racism actually paved the way for anti-racism struggles in the UK. I'd also add, though, that British Jewish population is diverse itself. Many also wish to send children to faith schools - not publicly funded, of course. How happy would orthodox Jewish people feel if they were made to feel like they stood out like a sour thumb in North London? They probably are stared at, and this is unreasonable. I know that many Jewish women welcome single sex swimming baths in Stoke Newington, and a good thing, too.

      Jewish experience of immigration is different because of the historical circumstances of their initial displacement/migration, and also because of their common European ancestry. The collective memory and experience of violence against Jewish people until the early part of the 20th century would make Jewish people less likely to want to draw attention to their differences, I would be the same. In time, though, maybe it's a strategy of survival and accommodation that serves them well . But we shouldn't expect all groups to fit in the same way - as you say, on 'host' nation terms. British society has prospered enormously from the influence of other sources of cultures and influences. If we just accepted the ossified, fixed view of what Britishness is - then, I am afraid that will be the death of Britain and Britishness. By its very nature, its more open and accepting than other civic identities, and that is partly why our racist friends find it so threatening and want to drag back Britishness into some nostalgic never-never land.

      Bargaining power of the working class? Again, I am confused. You raise valid point about the working class losing its edge or something. But, how do you square this with the fact that many immigrants are also working-class? Wouldn't they join in the fight? Strengthen the bargaining power? I can see how some sections of the white working classes might feel themselves 'besieged' but that's mostly a cry of frustration and resentment at a lack of services, and the drip-by-drip cut-back of core services throughout the 1980s and mid 1990s. It's difficult to articulate and blame economic restructuring and state decisions to reorient the British state, of course, than say, blaming immigration.

      I can see, how, if we were talking about British Guyana or somewhere when the Indian workers were bought in to cut the teeth of the black union movement, but surely we're not seeing the same phenomenon in the UK? Do you mean cheap immigrant labour is undermining working class bargaining power? A bit like cheap labour from developing countries making certain industries less competitive in Europe?

    42. marvin — on 15th December, 2009 at 9:37 am  

      it shows that Britain’s relaxed attitude to differences in religion and culture has made British Muslims more likely to identify with this country and be proud of the liberal traditions they live in

      This article was published in May 2009

      Muslims in Britain have zero tolerance of homosexuality, says poll

      Survey shows UK Muslims have more conservative attitudes on sex than Muslims in France and Germany

      It shows that British Muslims hold more conservative opinions towards homosexual acts, abortion, viewing pornography, suicide and sex outside marriage than European Muslims, polling markedly lower when asked if they believed these things were morally acceptable.

      The most dramatic contrast was found in attitudes towards homosexuality. None of the 500 British Muslims interviewed believed that homosexual acts were morally acceptable. 1,001 non-Muslim Britons were interviewed.

      By comparison, 35% of French Muslims found homosexual acts to be acceptable.

      It doesn't sound to me like British Muslims have entirely embraced our liberal society, and that our Muslims are more liberal than our our neighbours. Not with regards to sexual issues, anyhoo.

      The survey, the Gallup Coexist Index 2009, concluded that while European Muslims not only accepted but welcomed the freedoms, democratic institutions, justice, and human rights that characterised their societies, their perceived lack of integration was often explained by their rejection of liberal, sexual mores.

    43. wyrdtimes — on 15th December, 2009 at 12:43 pm  

      What a shame they don't identify with being English as probably >90% of Muslims in the “UK” live in England.

      That's what the British establishment wants though - no England.

    44. MiriamBinder — on 15th December, 2009 at 7:42 pm  

      ?????

    45. MiriamBinder — on 15th December, 2009 at 7:53 pm  

      The question is rather do the majority of Muslims in the UK accept that there are some people with an alternative lifestyle. And yes, the answer would appear that they do for despite the fact that 500 British Muslims according to your referenced poll all agree that homosexual acts are morally unacceptable, I do not see any Muslims lining up to topple walls on the homosexuals or lesbians that parade quite openly (and no reason why they should not) in Kemptown, Brighton.

      Please remember that liberalism is not hedonism. It merely stipulates that you accept that other people might have different views not that you indulge in every different act.

    46. camilla — on 16th December, 2009 at 10:40 pm  

      why should I care? why didn't you reply? to tell that you found nothing notewirthy in my post? so stupid

      actually there's nothing in that article proving that multi-culturalism works

    47. MiriamBinder — on 16th December, 2009 at 10:49 pm  

      I did reply to your post Camilla. My reply was that I don't really care what individuals think as long as their actions do not impact negatively on others. Admittedly I put it somewhat more succinctly and for that I apologise.

      As for multi-culteralism working or not … it isn't really the point is it. What is significant is that when allowed to express their view, rather then interpret the words some unknown questionnaire writer has decided on, we find that British Muslims in the main are content to view themselves as British.

    48. MixTogether&Friends — on 18th December, 2009 at 6:57 am  

      Read today's papers on the murder of Tulay Goren and then try and tell me that multiculturalism works.

      I know some fairly prominent people who would beg to differ:

      http://www.mixtogetherandfriends.org/honour-kil…

    49. MixTogether&Friends — on 18th December, 2009 at 1:27 pm  

      Looks like Iain Dale agrees with Jasvinder Sanghera, Diana Nammi and Ann Cryer

      http://l.pr/a48v9/

    50. Reza — on 21st December, 2009 at 3:09 am  

      “This is what makes Britain great and this is why the percentage of minorities who feel ‘British’ is so high.”

      This is a red herring.

      The reason that minorities are happy to describe themselves as “British” is that the term has any meaning. It doesn’t signify belonging to a nation, or culture or identity. Unlike say being ‘French’, ‘German’, ‘Italian’ or ‘Czech’.

      All you need to “feel British” is a British passport. Nothing more.

      At one time or another a third of the world could describe themselves as “British”.

      We should be asking how many ‘minorities’ would describe themselves as English, Scottish or Welsh.

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